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- November 18, 2007 at 4:50 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770755
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ParticipantThese are from flickr;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pandas/464153752/in/set-72157594489673798/
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Fortunately, it should be easy enough to remove all the pub junk if and when the time comes. Then the problem is trying to replace the missing furniture to complete the restoration.
November 18, 2007 at 4:04 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770754ake
Participantwho do you think painted those stars on the cieling?
The website of the pub; http://www.jmk.ie/
In the pictures on the website you can see the ground floor pews are removed, though they must have been long gone before the pub conversion began. They were a vital feature of course.
November 18, 2007 at 10:06 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770753ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Is this theone you are looking for? It is by WIlliam Robinson and was begun in 1700.
This photograph was taken at a time when the church was being used by the Greek Orthodox community in Dublin. The only modifications they made to the interior was the erection of a temperorary iconostasis which is necessary for the celebration of Mass in the Byzantine Rite. It screens off the sanctuary -so much for the validity of the gaukers theory that everyone must see everthing that goes on during the celebration of the sacraments. I had heard taht they were moved out of the church although they may have wanted to buy it. Does any one know what went on here.
Yes! Thanks! What a tragic loss.
November 17, 2007 at 9:34 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770750ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Try this for starters:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2005/01/23/story1695.asp
and this:
It says there a preservation order has been placed on the buildings. Whether that means anything however…
On that topic, do you know of any link to info on the conversion of St.Mary’s church of Ireland in Dublin city centre which was so outrageously made into a restaurant pub. Also a before picture of the interior of that church would be great. I’m almost sure there was one in McParland’s Public Architecture in Ireland. Maybe anyone who has access to it could scan in the photograph? Please?
November 16, 2007 at 11:17 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770743ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Here is a picture of the interior of the Chapel at Loreto Abbey, Rathfarnham, Co. Dublin. It was built in 1839 to specifications by Patrick Byrne who had consulted A.W.N. Pugin on the design of the chapel. The High Altar encases a pietà by John Hogan and is flanked by two angels also by Hogan. Does anyone have any idea as to it present condition – if for no other reason than the fact that Mother Teresa of Calcutta began her religious life here in 1928.
Is this place still in use or has it been deconsecrated? I do hope somebody will be on hand to salvage the Hogan sculptures if the chapel should be turned into pub or a trendy cafe or a badminton stadium.
November 15, 2007 at 7:12 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770739ake
ParticipantNo, just a single rail in St.Audeon’s. In St.Nicholas of Myra, a few streets away the double railing survives.
November 15, 2007 at 6:31 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770737ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Well, here we are the mystery is resolved: St. Andrew’s Westland Row before th hackers got at it.
Notice that the Tbernacle on the High Altar has beenreduced in size thereby casuing a disproportion with respect tot he Altar Piece hanging over it. This kind of tomfoolery is reminiscent of the great Professor O’Neill’s hacking of Turnarelli’s High Altar in the Pro-Cathedral.
It has also entirely lost the tabernacle from the right altar and possibly the mensa of the altar itself.
The double railing is also gone.
The Stations of the Cross have been shorn of their crosses.
What on earth put into their ignorant heads the notion that they could just remove the altar rails. Just pull them out!
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ParticipantI really need to work on my sarcasm.
@PTB wrote:
Perhaps the NGI could put some of it’s stored paintings on show in the Royal hospital. They do have something like 12,000 paintings in their vaults
Would you believe I was thinking exactly the same thing! It must be a good idea.
And many of the paintings in storage are very fine works. Even the ones that aren’t have huge historical value and interest. And there are plenty of other real works of art that could be exhibited in the Hospital instead of that modernist nonsense. The Archaeological museum is well known to be badly in need of space, with tonnes of stuff sitting uselessly in storage. Just look at the recently opened little exhibitions of roman artifiacts and the Cyprian pottery one – those artifacts had been lying in museum drawers for years. Another thing they could use the Hospital for is a decent National Portrait gallery- with all the hundreds of fascinating portraits from the last 4 centuries rarely seen by the public. The Ormonde picture collection could also be housed here, since Kilkenny Castle just won’t let people see the paintings. And so on.
The present situation though is really intolerable, with mini -bars and fridges regularly being hauled into the chapel, for parties and ‘events’ (!) – One of the finest Baroque interiors in Ireland and Britain! – and meanwhile – it’s generally innaccesible to the public!
I visited about a year ago, and, shocked at finding the Hospital Chapel closed to visitors, asked the guy at reception if I could visit the chapel. He seemed bemused, wondering why on Earth I wanted to see the chapel! Then I learn, to visit it, you must go on a tour , arranged by the OPW, and he gave me someone’s phone number!
Ridiculous.
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Participant@PTB wrote:
Sometimes I thing that the Royal hospital is the wrong place for the IMMA.
You can’t be serious.
November 12, 2007 at 11:24 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770724ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
No. The “I would not think so” = “I think you are right. It does look original”.
don’t you think those designs are a bit unusual though? even a bit uncharacteristic?
November 12, 2007 at 11:08 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770723ake
ParticipantSt.Andrew’s, Dublin; One of the side altars is now a backdrop for the quite beautiful font.
[ATTACH]6293[/ATTACH][ATTACH]6292[/ATTACH]This church has a fine mortuary chapel and also a very fine nuptial chapel. I can’t remember if it had a separate baptistry…
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November 12, 2007 at 11:01 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770721ake
ParticipantBut still, it has that lovely ancient limestone glisten…
November 12, 2007 at 10:56 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770719ake
ParticipantShame, but at least they didn’t paint over the mosaics. We wouldn’t have been surprised.
The Protestant Old St.Mary’s church in Clonmel, the original, medieval church of Clonmel, but with the interior largely rebuilt. Two, magnificent windows however are original, or semi-original at least. The font looks to me like a 15th/16th c. original? Am I wrong?
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November 12, 2007 at 10:33 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770717ake
ParticipantClonmel. You can see the font, and see where it’s placed, right beside the altar. Can’t remember the name of this church.
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Lovely church, with great decoration in the sanctuary.
November 11, 2007 at 6:50 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770710ake
Participantthanks!
But doesn’t that mean, by s.57, of the 2000 act, there must be a virtual moratorium on all re-ordering? What was the law before this?
November 11, 2007 at 5:06 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770707ake
ParticipantCan you explain what all that means?
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ParticipantThe central court, normally grand and empty
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[ATTACH]6272[/ATTACH]The Sea Stallion of Glendalough will reside here for, a year.. or so, not sure. Don’t miss it!
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ParticipantMaybe it would be useful to compare An Taisce’s approach to the Point Village tower, now under construction. That should show whether or not they’re hell bent against all high rise, or just Foster’s U2.
November 11, 2007 at 2:38 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770705ake
ParticipantI hope there are some people keeping a close eye on the Cathedral- have plans for wreckage been proposed to date?
November 10, 2007 at 10:40 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770701ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Letterkenny Cathedral
The fomous Four Masters Pulpit.
remarkable! What year was the church built?
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