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didn’t have my camera.
In the above shot you can see the very impressive large lancet windows which all have excellent glass. Behind the gothic tracery on the lower level are panels of marble which run around the entire east end and right along the walls of both transepts. You can also make out the extraordinarily fine wooden rails, which still possess their gates and the classical pulpit, which is one of the finest I’ve ever seen.
By the way, the information poster also says they’re planning to extensively alter the area outside the church, the little garden etc.
Most of what they’re planning seems very positive. Why can they not just leave the altar alone? They’ve managed up to now. What matter if it’s a little ‘cramped’?!
Todays clergy certainly wouldn’t have been able for skellig micheal or the gallarus oratory that’s for sure.
They are undertaking major restoration works on St.Mary’s, Haddington Road, Dublin. It’s a multi million euro project, involving essential conservation work on the deteriorating roof, conservation and restoration of the beautiful tracery in the tower, which is crumbling, other structural works, including a new heating system and other ‘improvements’, such as ‘re-ordering’ the west end of the nave- what does this mean? As well as, quite promisingly, looking to redecorate (presumably the paint scheme- it’s currently poster painted pink) the nave area with regard to the original scheme- they phrase it something like that. Also, they plan to ‘re consider’ the location of the baptismal font, now plonked in front of the north side altar. It sounds good except for one thing- they say they want to move the altar table forward from the reredos a few inches they said it was cramped. Now as it is the table is perched almost on the edge of the last altar step a metre or two from the (mercifully) intact, sublime altar rails. How do they intend to do this? They did not specify. They only way it seems they can do this is by altering the steps up to the altar.
Also the reredos is connected to the wall of the sanctuary at either end by two lovely gothic wooden screens which ought not to be touched.
Can we presume that their fiddling around won’t damage the sanctuary in some minor or god forbid major way? Can anyone find details of exactly what they intend to do? Besides the lost stenciling, the eastern end of this church is pretty much intact, and extremely fine. It is important it be preserved.
@Overworked wrote:
I think this is interesting !!
Point looks like a petrol station. Some kind of dome surely would be the natural thing.
Here’s a very interesting comparaison;
St. Francis Xavier’s; the Jesuit church in Dublin;
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And today;
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Although the church at present is quite well kept and maintained, it looks naked and awkward without it’s former decoration scheme, which was quite superb. I always wonder in cases like this, – what was the motivation for doing away with the proper decorative scheme, since otherwise, in terms of furnishings etc the church is obviously quite lovingly cared for (and has been) by people who know what they’re about- was is it the result of a compromise between wreckers and conservatives?
One thing I will say is, in the old photograph, the benches are quite unattractive, though at least, neatly arranged.
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And today;
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It seems they’ve even painted over the figures in the apse.
@Praxiteles wrote:
The Church of the Immaculate Conception,. Kanturk, Co. Cork
We also add a photograph showing the new installations. We need not point out the liturgical aberrations and anomalies of the arrangement.
Significant, however, is the complete absence of the gates to the sanctuary. No planning permission was given to remove them and no declaration made any mention of removing them – yet they are gone! What is Cork COunty Coun cil doing about this – NOTHING.
Lovely chancel screen!
Here’s a nice little surprise; Ferrybank parish church, on the north side of the river Suir in Waterford City;
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A couple more pictures here; http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157603540601172/
Yes it’s a really beautiful design. Any idea if there’s a before pic floating around somewhere?
Also, what on earth is going on in Cobh?
The great parish church in Tramore, Co. Waterford, by J.J. McCarthy; dedicated 1860, the spire was completed by 1871. The west front; austere, rather Cistercian;
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In the second picture you can see the awful mess on the east exterior.
Of course the interior has been completely and utterly sacked.
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A vicious, savage assault. Here you can see the igloo furniture in the crossing.
And the sanctuary cum second nave;
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The church is more similar to the Wexford (Pugin et al) churches across the Suir, than most other churches in East Waterford. You can see the similar, lovely silver granite columns above. Pretty much every decorative feature has been removed or spoiled, with the exception of the remarkable stained glass, a very complete collection, with every window holding very fine glass, even the windows high up in the clerestory. At least some of it is by Mayers of Munich, I don’t know how much;
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[ATTACH]6587[/ATTACH][ATTACH]6592[/ATTACH]Even the clerestory glass is high quality;
[ATTACH]6593[/ATTACH]There’s a large picture of the great chancel window here;
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2136087326&size=o&context=set-72157603540637470If any one could post a picture of the interior before the wreckage it would be greatly appreciated.
@bonzer1again wrote:
Finally, The rumours come to an end with the announcement of plans for the Jesuit church. This Article appeared in the Limerick Chronicle. Enjoy the read!!
“AFTER 20 months of speculation about its future, it has been revealed today that the Jesuit Church is to be turned into a leisure centre.
Plans have been submitted for a €12m development which includes a leisure centre and restaurant at the Sacred Heart Church in the Crescent.The former church was bought from the Jesuit Order in March 2006 by Galway-based businessman John O’Dolan, at a reported cost of €4m.
John Kennedy of Elliot Design, who Mr O’Dolan contracted to draft plans for the building, said that proposals have been submitted to Limerick City Council for the installation of a leisure centre in the building.
The proposed centre consists of a 20 metre swimming pool, a spa located in the basement, a 15,000 sq ft gym and a restaurant adjacent to the facility.”
Is this guy fucking insane?
Tell me this is a joke.
The destruction will continue until no doubt, in every heritage category -architectural, industrial, landscape, etc – only a scattered, unrepresentative handful remain, which will then be few enough to cause an ‘awakening’, a sudden realization of the importance of preserving these remnants for posterity, probably initiated by a few philanthropic members of the very developers themselves; important only because the large body of heritage that existed was hacked away at bit by bit, relentlessly til’ virtually obliterated. And all for ignorance and greed.
What will there be worth looking at in 50 years? A handful of churches, a few Georgian buildings, a few castles and a few national parks. While we could have had it all…..
The information plaque in the church says it was donated by the Sisters of the Holy Faith, The Coombe, Dublin, in 1998.
It also says the wooden altar had been designed by Pugin for nearby Tagoat, it’s fate being unknown
Cleristown parish church; A small village near Wexford town. The church was built in the early 19th century, and was subjected to various works; at one point the altar was a wooden one designed by Pugin no less, but that had long dissappeared without a trace. Here’s a picture before the re-ordering.
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Then comes Vatican II;
forget the Reformation;
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As you can see the sanctuary was more or less removed wholesale
There have been improvements since, with a new altar donated in 1998;
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Mary now relegated to a corner in the transept.
[ATTACH]6527[/ATTACH]@Praxiteles wrote:
An interesting event at Westminster Cathedral on 27 November 2007 – Requiem Mass celebrated according tot he old rite by the Auxiliary Bishop of Westminster (who uses the faldstool rather than the throne since he does not have immediate jurisdiction).
The event allows us to see how the structural dispositions of all of these churches are intended to be used -note that the temporary altar has been removed, thereby affording a clear vie of the High Altar.
The event also shows us just how far out of touch the Irish liturgical “establishment” really is. Remember the famous guff line bleated to the BBC about Cobh Cathedral – the real problmem we have have here is that we have a 19th century sanctuary for a 21st century liturgy. Given the way the wind is blowing, Praxiteles would not be at all surprised that we were not looking at 21st century liturgy here in Westminster Cathedral.
Cleraly, the English hierarchy is also ahead of (at least the provincial) Irish hierarchy once again.
PS: The music was de Victoria’s Requiem written for the funeral of the Empress Maria.
a beautiful spectacle
Have you ever seen any critical mention of the vast destruction wrought on churches in the last decades in this or any Catholic newspaper?
Have they detailed what stone the large plain brick areas will be of? Granite, limestone? It really had better be something very suitable and attractive. Definitely not calp!
@Praxiteles wrote:
To-day marks the opening of the Lourdes Jubilee year to commemorate the 150 anniversary of the apparitions there in 1858.
The first photograph shows the interior of the upper basilica shortly after its consecration in 1867.
The second shows the High Altar as it is to-day.
The third shows the consecration as depicted in the glass of the upper basilica.
An external lateral view of the Basilica.
An external view of the principal facade.
beautiful.The exterior is very nice. I would have expected the hgh altar to be richer though.
what is this fixation with pink?!! Are the clergy trying to reconcile with Feminism?
btw here’s the font in St.Mary’s, which is the original 14th century one (not the cover)
[ATTACH]6470[/ATTACH]Also in St.Mary’s; one of the old info plaques states that three of the panels now used in the readers desks in the chancel were originally part of the Tudor rood screen, 15th century; here’s one
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interesting
