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@ake wrote:
Well what do you think of this? Yet another Waterford church, just as modern as the octagons but a good deal more traditional, ‘liturgically’. Also quite economical as you can see. The exterior is actually much better, in a lovely red brick quite red roof tiles.
the exterior http://www.flickr.com/photos/23296461@N04/2348240644/
@Praxiteles wrote:
This is the sanctuary in Castlecomer church, Co. Kilkenny. Evidently, it got a work over at some stage.
I’m wondering if the photographer’s over generous saturation may not be giving the church a fair show.
Here’s a couple snaps;
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large version here, if it you want to examine the spire; http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/2330313925/sizes/o/in/set-72157600177298026/
I dropped into Eason’s a few days ago and noticed a book I hadn’t seen before about the architectural history of Dublin. I don’t know if it’s a new book or a new edition. I just flicked through it – now I can’t remember the name or author- I think maybe it had ‘urban’ in the title, so maybe ‘an urban history’, anyway, at the back of the book is printed an old photograph of the interior of St.George’s as it appeared while still a church, with all it’s fittings etc. Along with it by the way are similar pictures of other Georgian and later Anglican churches.
Perhaps if someone has it maybe they might add the picture to the thread?
Also some of you might be interested to know, if you don’t already, that the original altar rails from S.George’s are now in St.Iberius’s church, Wexford town, a small Anglican Georgian church. Here they are;
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interesting. They could also be praised for restoring the stenciling in Thurles Cathedral. See the rare photograph of the interior of the baptistry there. Beautiful.
@Praxiteles wrote:
Praxiteles is not much gone either on the celeste blue which has been replaced the more classical deep blue on the main doors of the church. The celeste blue lends a certain fée air to the place.
where have you been? no self respecting church would willingly be seen without it’s own splash of baby boy blue these days. It’s called fashion. look it up.
@Praxiteles wrote:
We are told that the afford a clear view of the church interior from the street –
hah! what bull crap!
a couple of years ago I took this shot of the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Dublin, opposite the Four Courts (also known as Adam and Eve’s church);
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Unfortunately, the other shots I took where B&W. But anyway this was the colour scheme throughout the church, and it looked quite well with it, even if it maybe wasn’t ideal. Yesterday I learned that about a year ago a complete repainting was initiated, which was completed just before last Christmas. What do you suppose this consisted of? An elaborate stenciling scheme? A sensible, traditional range of whites and low intensity reds, yellows etc, or if there’s just no money a complete whitewash, always reliable, til things pick up? none of that; bright poster paint blue was the natural option;[ATTACH]7069[/ATTACH][ATTACH]7071[/ATTACH][ATTACH]7072[/ATTACH]
the beautiful ambulatory is spoiled as you can see
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A new addition along with the paint job is this ‘fence’ cutting the nave in two. What is the purpose of this? I’ve never seen it before. The actual panels of the ‘fence’ are perfect copies of the ambulatory gates which were already in place a couple of years ago;
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I thought I might also just point this out; this chapel is off the south aisle;
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Now, the altar rails have been eradicated from the main altar, as is liturgically essential if the Congregation is to have any hope of involvement in the Mass, far away and aloof as they are in the nave, almost disconnected from the sanctuary usually, by the 3 feet high rails of horrible exclusion. But what will they do in this chapel? have the liturgists in charge of this church made a simple mistake in adding rails rather than not adding rails? It’s an easy mistake to make after all.
Have to say though, I rather like the rails, or would like them in an appropriate modern church.
@GrahamH wrote:
ake, Curran wrote that no ‘adequate’ pictorial record survives of the Rotunda/Great Hall decoration, but he certainly did take pictures of some of the elements prior to the ‘catastrophe’ of 1922. It was upon these images that he drew these sketch representations, and included them in the book. The original photographs alas were not published.
Suffice to say Gandon hated Stapletonesque faffing about with dinky neoclassicisim – he wanted robust!
Thanks Graham.
Looks very high quality. What a shame no one bothered to take proper photographs of the interior. Strikes me as rather strange that nobody did, even up to as late as the 1920’s.
On a related note, does anyone know if any pictures were taken of the Custom House interior before it’s destruction?
Again on the subject of stenciling painting and decoration in the sanctuary, here are a few shots of St.Patrick’s, Ringsend. I understand from an earlier thread that there was confusion as to the architect here. Was that ever resolved?
The mosaics and marble panels work beautifully together; what is this large gap in the altar rails? the ends seem to be the gate columns, but how would the gates have been this wide?; lovely mosaics in the south side chapel, which also houses the font it seems.
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The south altar has a blue carpet and the north red;
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The window is interesting; a large version of it here;http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/2318942024/sizes/l/in/set-72157594578500551/
It is a lovely photorgraph, showing the courts spreading out along the quays like the Customs House. A verdant row of leafy deciduous tree is a lovelier prospect than a truck yes, but blocks out the view all the same;
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In “Dublin- A Grand Tour” by O’Brien and Guinness, reference is made to C.P. Curran, and it is said his photographs of the interior of the Four Courts, taken before the burning in the Civil War are the only record of them. I would love to see these images if anybody could tell me where to find them or even better if anybody has access to them and might possibly post them here for all to see.
PS.
Curran wrote “Dublin Decorative Plasterwork of the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries ” (1967). Are the images in this book?Just came across this pic on the Art&Architecture site and wanted to post it somewhere on here, so here it is;
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PS: to modify my last comment a bit- the statue of OL and Child is chaste and delicate, the polychrome statues of the Sacred Heart and St Anthony are not (although the main objection is to their positioning, not their existence). Why doesn’t the church cultivate a higher standard of iconography? Medieval statuary and painting is powerful, as is the ‘old master’ artwork of the
16th and even 17th centuries, but from the 18th century onwards it has been downhill all the way, with the 19th century being arguably the worst (‘Pugin’-school and similar excepted).How the hell did you make out those statues?!
Just snapped these passing by yesterday;
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In Hurley’s book on modern Irish churches, he briefly features a parish church of Ballycullane, Wexford. I don’t know if that was a mistake, or if that church was demolished and replaced by this, but in any case this is what you’ll find there now;
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The sanctuary is quite plain even by modern standards. It’s peculiar, in the old traditional churches, there is an insatiable zeal for eradicating the traditional furnishings and replacing them with modernist forms, yet when a new modern church is built from scratch, why, there seems nothing else to do but stock them with traditional sculptures, which look as bad here as the spaceship furniture does resting under Gothic arches;
[ATTACH]6982[/ATTACH]This I found peculiar; Mary with a sacred heart- is that normal?; The stations are also traditional, oil painting prints;
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@Praxiteles wrote:
St Peter and Paul’s Cork City
An interior shot of the sanctuary ceiling.
The interior decoration is high quality here, although I’m not sure about the yellow painting on the walls. Well, it doesn’t grab your attention anyway, so not too bad. I shot some photographs of the inside last year, mostly the magnificent woodwork, which, while well enough preserved was missing a few bits and pieces, sadly. you can see the photographs here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157600300054218/@Praxiteles wrote:
St Brendan’s Cathedral, Loughrea, Co. Galway.
Some of the glass from Loughrea Cathedral:
I quite like these windows.
@Praxiteles wrote:
The Honan Chapel, University College Cork
And here we have a close up of the stuff that needs to be sent to the missions -if they will have it. Since it has the look of having been inspired by the upper reaches of the Limpopo, it will probably look better there.
Can’t say I like the painting white of the window arches.
I wonder did the original Hib.Rom buidlings have glass?
Well what do you think of this? Yet another Waterford church, just as modern as the octagons but a good deal more traditional, ‘liturgically’. Also quite economical as you can see. The exterior is actually much better, in a lovely red brick quite red roof tiles.
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@Luzarches wrote:
http://www.romeofthewest.com/2007/09/photos-of-cathedral-of-immaculate.html
http://stbarbara.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-stop-before-wrecking-cathedral.html
Third attempt…
A really superb building. Very beautiful. I do hope their attempt to wreck it fails utterly.
@johnglas wrote:
ake: Thanks for the pictures of the two churches in Waterford – they are genuinely numinous (largely because of the glass and the diminished light). In a contemporary church that is no mean feat. The larger church manges the neat trick of having a kind of ‘day chapel’ which is also the location of the tabernacle and a point of focus. The statuary is perhaps a bit chaste even for my preferences, but altogether not a bad effort. (This also offers a ‘solution’ to the ‘two altars’ syndrome: the ‘old’ sanctuary becomes the Sacrament Chapel, while still being clearly visible from, and elevated above, the body of the kirk (as we say here) and the ‘new’ altar. We might even see a fashion for the reintroduction of Puginesque screens (shock, horror) to emphasise the distinction.
I’m willing to bet that we will start to see a wave of re-reordering to ‘get back’ some of the lost character in many churches; however, it’s worth trying to see the new Holy Family church at Newington in Belfast. Not the way to go for a parish church, although the parishioners love it (apparently).No they’re not too bad. Although I think a bit of nostalgia may be playing a clandestine role in my affection for them.
Have to say, I really do not like the look of the Holy Family church, although it’s hard to judge with modernist churches just from pictures.
