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@james1852 wrote:
see page 109 #2710 , to see how the sanctuary of this church originally looked.
astonishing. just astonishing.
@Praxiteles wrote:
Ake!
Any idea of who produced this glass?
Not the foggiest. I’d never seen anything like the window showing the mass.
Have you any idea who designed the church itself? It’s not an O’Riordan is it?
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[ATTACH]5368[/ATTACH][ATTACH]5369[/ATTACH]St.Peter’s church, Phibsborough.
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The present condition of this church is a terrible pity, as it is probably the catholic church in Dublin that comes closest to rivalling St.Colman’s, just ahead of SS Augustine and John. The scale of it is the same as Cobh and sculptural furnishings are equal in quality and amount. Unfortunately, it has been significantly re-ordered, the altar now being in the crossing. That’s not a serious problem, it’s quite reversible and the original high altar was not hacked into pieces. It’s still there, intact. One of the transept chapels however is totally destroyed, housing a monstrous modern Mary. The other transept has an adjacent adoration chapel which is modern and open to the church but not too bad. The ceiling is in dire need of (high quality) stenciling. Right now it’s poster painted red and looks truely awful. The wall surfaces are also very bare, and need to be decorated one way or another.
One thing it has which Cobh does not is an ambulatory with many altars off it, all with very good, stone scultped. More shots here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157600701940560/Praxiteles wrote:Just give me a while qnd I will answer that question]Any update on this? (Macartan’s) I actually remember picking up a copy of this ages ago, and not bothering to look through it. I think I came across it twice! It must have been a bookshop in Dublin. Possibly Waterstones. Or was it a public library. Damn.
I believe it is mosaic yes. What do you all think of neo-celticry in a thoroughly gothic church?
Btw, what would you cite as the best neo-celtic church in Ireland? Besides the Honan chapel.
The church in Trim, Meath. Some good decoration in the east end.
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Holy name Cathedral, Chicago.
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There’s also a before picture on the Cathedral’s website. Is the sanctuary now a garden centre?@Rhabanus wrote:
My chief complaint about plaster statues is that they chip all too easily. [Note the little chip at the base of Notre Dame du Sacre Coeur.] Also, they are too susceptible to heat and dampness. Once a digit or a hand is broken, the repairs are usually obvious and often don’t last long.
Yes, many plaster statues have grossly deformed hands as a result of tentative restorations. That reminds me of something. In SS Peter and Paul Cork, I was sorry to notice that quite alot of the magnificent woodwork has been damaged, and not just single fingers]5191[/ATTACH]
@Rhabanus wrote:
Glorious! Even the plaster statues are painted in excellent taste.
Generic plaster statues may seem cheap and unsophisticated to some but I really like them, and not every church, in Ireland at least, can have expensive marbles, so they’re a good substitute. Here are some from St.Audeon’s in Dublin
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This is from Waterford Cathedral
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This is from St.Francis Xavier’s in Dublin
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Which also houses an interesting set of four, one of which is
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Could these be wood? The writing on the scroll says N.D. du Sacre coeur something I can’t read then the date of 7 sep 1875. Anyone know anything about them?It’s worse than a skull; http://www.flickr.com/photos/markwaldron/284897603/
St.Peter’s, Drogheda
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happy to report that the church is in a very good state. You might even say a very fine state indeed. The altar and rails are in fine condition, and there’s good decoration the chancel and ceiling, some very nice stenciling in the sanctuary actually. There are no brutal modern obstructions as far as I noticed, the only thing being the shrine for Oliver Plunkett’s head, which I quite liked. There’s a little bit of an exhibition around it, but nothing terrible. It’s disgusting though IMO. Can they not put it in a cover!
Some photographs of the church here http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157600701954392/@Praxiteles wrote:
Ake!
What you are looking for is to be found in two plates, nos. LXXI and LXXII, published in Padre Pozzo’s book Perspectivae Pictorum atque Architectorum of 1692.
There is also an article in the Burlington Magazine vol.112, no.803′ (Feb 1970) by Joseph D Cahill Masheck entitled The orediscovery of the original High Altarof teh Gesu.
Any chance of a scan of that article?
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What do you think of the stenciling here in Thurles Cathedral?
Decent, good, very good or excellent?
I like the painting on the undersides of the arches, but some of the decoration on the ceiling and around the windows strikes me as perhaps a bit simple. Maybe some more color wouldn’t be a bad thing, something to harmonize with the tabernacle? Still it’s miles ahead of most churches, giving it actually HAS some stenciling left!
Big version http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=378121670&context=set-72157594577611854&size=l
The Tabernacle in Thurles Cathedral
[ATTACH]5134[/ATTACH]Does anybody know if there exists a drawing or painting depicting the tabernacle in the Gesú, in situ, in it’s original position?
@Fearg wrote:
Closest I’ve come to seeing one is the print I posted a few months back:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4691&page=110 post 2773 I think..
Thanks.
I’d love to see a few of the churches with the seating temporarily removed, they look so much grander.How can there be no before picture? Surely there MUST have been one in that quite lavish book ‘A Cathedral Renewed’? They couldn’t have published a book about the ‘renewal’ of a building without a picture of what needed to be ‘renewed’ in the first place, could they?
@Sue wrote:
How exactly could I or anyone else “molest Irish history”? Try and have a little think before you commit your words to the interweb
Equally absurd, if slightly more linguistically coherent, is the idea that an elevated road could “molest Irish heritage”. The point of the stilts is to lift the motorway above Irish heritage (which in this case mainly costs of some dead dogs and kings).
‘dead dogs and kings’?
Do you not realise what you’re saying? These remains are invaluable! They are the miniscule, vanishingly small fragment that has survived of the material of whole civilizations and cultures about which we know almost nothing. Don’t you have any interest in the world beyond how easy it is to drive about in, in your lifetime?
Every rib bone, jaw bone and tooth is a remarkable, priceless survival, a unique opportunity for knowledge. We don’t actually have time machines you know- we can’t just go back and get more of this stuff when we destroy it. It’s gone forever- and remains are not in abundance as you’ll probably try to say. You could fit everything that has survived of the pre-modern eras in Ireland into a small warehouse- that’s thousands and thousands of years of civilization, spoken for by a small warehouse! To destroy any of it is demented.
