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@Cute Panda wrote:
We are a nation of slow learners who like old CIE Victorian railways lines to get a bit of an upgrade now and again or throw CIE a few extra buses with “An Lar” on the destination board so the BAC Supreme Soviets can be saluted as the new buses pass the reviewing stand on Upper O’Connell Street.
CP it would be appreciated if you kept perspective and moved away from dated 1980’s neo-liberal concepts of all provate ventures being good and all public services being a disaster.
Taking London as a model the tube works whilst in public ownership can compare favourably to any transit network in the World; its success is built is based on ease of connection with a number of lines disecting the most densley used areas of the centre city and in this light the central, Bakerloo and Victoria lines are the nub of thb success behind the tube and all of these lines run on frequencies between 2 and 4 minutes these lines move millions of people and lines such as the Jubilee line have successfully expanded into up and coming areas such as Canary Wharf and Stratford; whilst the orbital route from Clapham to Willesden to Hackney run every 15 minutes are more often than not 90% empty.
No-one is saying that this route is not a valid aspiration but in the light of other deificit areas constructing this route before the Interconnector and electrification of the Maynooth, Sallins and Balbriggan stretches is daft.
We do not require governemnts to decide where lines look good on maps we appoint them to make hard choices as to the division of scarce resourses and this line being built at this time is totally premature.
I disagree it is gauranteed to be a success; take the red line beyond James’ Hospital and it is patchy a best whilst Tara Street is a serious health & safety blackspot at peak times.
T21 is significantly flawed in that it does not prioritise on the basis of capacity deficits it prioritises on constituency concerns
@StephenC wrote:
The Interconnector which along with Metro North are the essentail elements in the system should be in place within 4 years and not the 6 planned for Metro North and 9 planned for Interconnector.
I totaly agree a lot of T21 is very suspect such as the Citywest extension and this whilst more and more pressure is placed on the loopline.
Has to be the RIAI as experience dictates that quangos sooner or later fall victim to becoming destroyed by excessive numbers of polically motivated appointees.
What is to stop a future ARB declaring all technicians architects and making every one off an ‘architect designed masterpiece‘ leave control where it is safe i.e. those who have worked hard enough to attain the status of architect by going through the established channels.
Notwithstanding the above there are many very talented designers who are not qualified architects but like every other sector results speak for themselves and they gain commissions that normally would go to qualified members but I think it is fair to say thaty these gifted designers are the exception as opposed to the rule.
I nominate the New Ireland Building at 7-9 Dawson Street as worthy of inclusion and after the Carrolls Building it is probably the most expensive build of the 1960’s in Dublin Offices.
This building desreves inclusion for three reasons:
Firstly it captures the mood of the time by drawing on Celtic inspriation for its detailing and that for the first time in commercial architecture that Irish imagary was the way to go; this building more than any other is a manifestation of the 1960’s economic revival and Lemass and his less note worthy fellow travellers.
Secondly the doors are in themselves a fine peice of work and indicative that thibuilding was to make a statement even if they are not to everyone’s taste.
Thirdly the quality work was not just confined to the main facade but the side elevation also received an above average spec
I’d say you should be ok I doubt that they would go to the hassle of the entire CPO process of public inquiries and the number of notices required in the press to squeeze in a couple of extra units.
Only important infrastructural projects and large scale projects such as 100 houses or at least 1 hectare of park would merit the amount of procedure that this process generates.
Please keep us all informed if there are any developments
@phil wrote:
That is pretty rich for someone who has had about three seperate identities on these forums
Fair comment but I never made an effort to hide it this unlike others who do this to wind up specific members; when Devan arrived was a little bit too far
The PVC King suggests that this poster use the search function to find the 20 plus references to the height of these ventilation orifaces.
The King is further dissapointed by the recent upsurge in juvenile posts and even profiles defiling the push for higher densities by those overwhealmed by height alone.
The King recommends the search function.
Other than liquid bulk tonnage at Galway is negligable at 147,000 tonnes or about the equivelent of 10 containers per day.
Expansion you say, how about justification of its current existence beyond pertrollium products the cost of facility replacement for Dublin with an infinately larger throughput has been found to be entirely unviable in every single study undertaken.
That is an interesting interpretation of the Pointe Gourde principle; I do however feel that if it were fully applied the value of the land in the ‘no scheme world’ would be what a willing lessee would pay to a willing lessor over a term of years the multiple of which would be required to go to arbitration in the absence of agreement. In short Dublin City Council are the only potential lessee of a municipal park for a very considerable distance so whatever rent they were prepared to pay would be the only rent that could be agreed; as per the multiple it would be secure so a yield of say 3% would be fair. I’d say his interest would be worth €3,300 assuming an annual rent of €100.
@galwayrush wrote:
a rail link to the proposed development could be used to transport goods to and from a goods depot somewhere inland near a proposed motorway junction.hopefully the plans will be on view before the end of the month,the basic plan i saw dosen’t show the reclaimed land extending as far into the bay,
No reclamation could be justified on the basis of existing throughput
Any suggestions?
Join the Dublin Cycling camapign.
Rory
Good suggestion I have always been a little surpised as to why a gang didn’t go out from this site to have a few beers and have some light entertainment.
The Palace or Grogans would have been good locations.
Or invest in rail freight to move the containers from Bellview it would be a lot chaeper; this is just a small number of local interests suitings their own positions.
Well done architecture Foundation this is exactly what you should be doing and Dublin has suffered in architectural awareness as a result of this type of public freindly event not being provided in a srtructured way heretofore
Has anyone realised that the proposed berths are only a coupole hundred metres from the sewerage treatment that services all of the City and it is further in the direction of the most common prevailing wind.
‘Irish Effluent Cruise for the Affluent Retirement Set’
If the DART line wasn’t a couple of hundred metres away it might not be so clear cut but it is, there is no excuse for this scheme and for this to be proposed in such a leafy area with the best transport links in the City is deeply worrying.
Dartmouth Square owner to challenge ruling
25 September 2006 20:17
The owner of a park near Ranelagh in south Dublin has said he will go to the High Court to challenge a decision by An Bord Pleanála to allow Dublin City Council compulsorily purchase the land.Noel O’Gara bought the freehold on Dartmouth Square for under £10,000, but argued, as a site for development, it was worth €175 million.
In its ruling today, An Bord Pleanála said the Compulsory Purchase Order was in line with the Development Plan and decided against him, in part, because he closed the park to the public last January.
Speaking on RTÉ Radio’s News At One, Mr O’Gara, from Athlone in Co Westmeath, said he is prepared to take his case to the Supreme Court if necessary.
He also said he believed the Compulsory Purchase Order amounted to theft by the council.
This morning, the board found that the council had the authority to proceed with the CPO.
The board also said it based its decision on the fact that the park was an element of an architectural set piece, comprising Victorian houses which are protected.
In a pointed reference to Mr O’Gara, who it described as ‘the owner or reputed owner’, the board also cited as a reason his refusal to grant public access to the park.
An Bord Pleanála described this action as a ‘recent failure’ to allow the public ‘reasonable and unfettered public access to land’ for which it was constructed.The statement said the acquisition of the land would satisfy a community need, something which was necessary in the absence of an alternative.
Gormley calls for action to protect green spaces
Dartmouth Square was originally owned by the Darley estate.
The park was renovated in 1987 by Dublin Corporation, which offered to buy the land, but instead entered into a ten-year lease.
Further inconclusive talks took place when this lease expired, and Mr O’Gara, through his company, Marble and Granite Tiles Ltd, acquired the freehold.
Last January, Mr O’Gara shut the park to the public and stated his intention to turn the land into a car park, a plan which resulted in proceedings being taken in the High Court.
Dublin City Council has welcomed the ruling.
John Gormley, Green Party TD for Dublin South East, said action needed to be taken to prevent similar attempts to develop other green spaces in the city.
Cost a bit more than it should but that should be that; unless the reputed owner wishes to fund a large number of five grand days with little or no chance of recovering his costs.
The CPO valuation will be interesting
Mews buildings of good quality started to spring up all over the inner suburbs
Dublin Airport opened a new pier albeit in portacabin
Fires in run down Georgian buildings ceased to occur
Moore St came to life as a multicultural food market
Parnell St fromO’Connell St to gardiner St changed into Chinatown which I consider positive
Cycling became much more dangerous due to a lack of segregation from the evergrowing traffic volumes
The north east docklands became really hot development property and the once suburban Eastpoint looks like it will be bordered by streets within ten years
Transport other thantwo unjoined Luas lines made no significant progress and that unfortunately will be the defining characteristic and legacy from the period
Andrew many thanks for this it certainly makes a mockery out of
The council wants to stop Mr O’Gara from using the land as a public car park.
Mr O’Gara told the court he believed the planning and development laws were repugnant to the Constitution.
Afterwards, he said Irishmen had fought for their land for centuries only to have control of the land passed to bureaucrats in the city council.
The landowner said he wants to build a gym, creche and underground car park on the land.
Does anyone know of a functional constitutional democracy that does not use land use planning as a development control system?
