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    Gormley to review State’s heritage sites policy

    An extract from Irish Times article on 7th July 2007 by Frank McDonald, Environment Editor

    Minister for the Environment John Gormley is to carry out a complete review of the State’s archaeological policy and practice and may propose amending or even repealing the 2004 National Monuments Act.

    This Act, introduced by Martin Cullen, invested the Minister with sole discretion to decide the fate of any national monument that might be in the path of a motorway. It was specifically designed to facilitate earlier delivery of the Government’s roads programme.

    Yesterday, after releasing a file showing how his predecessor Dick Roche made his decision to permit the “preservation by record” of a prehistoric henge at Lismullen, Co Meath, Mr Gormley said he was already consulting archaeologists on what should be changed.

    “I want to be as open as possible, to find the best way of going forward”, he said.

    Asked if he would consider amending or repealing the 2004 Act, he said: “If changing legislation emerges from this process, I will look at that.”

    (For full article see The Tara Bypass thread https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4022&page=8)

    in reply to: Buildings on stilts in the Liffey #790061
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    there’s a fairly obscure model of the stilts project featured in todays IT, can’t make it out to be honest. It seems like the proposal encompases the north quays from east link to the new beckett bridge …

    strange idea …

    From today’s IT
    What is shown in the model is a series of notional towers, some with extraordinary shapes and colours, that would be built on stilts in the Liffey – if the amended planning scheme is approved by Minister for the Environment John Gormley.

    According to John McLaughlin, the authority’s director of architecture, the proposed cluster would provide a dramatic counterpoint to the generally low-rise nature of the new buildings that have sprung up along the riverfront in the past decade.

    Is this not what should have happened on the north quays anyway ? are DDDA now acknowledging the blandness of their 5 storey stretch? (supplied mainly by STW it has to be said).

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    @alonso wrote:

    Peter MW doesn’t cross inside the M50 at all. I think you’re all falling into the same trap as people did with LUAS. A corridor of high density development is already under construction along this line.

    Alsono re-read my post, I’m aware that metro west does not cross inside the m50, I am suggesting that it should. The stretch from Abbotstown to the Airport serves nothing & will facilitate mass sprawl outside the M50 with acres of land remaining undeveloped just inside.

    Selected alignment outlined below together with what are in my view some of the problems with it.

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    @AndrewP wrote:

    By all means connect the outer suburbs, but the transport network in the centre has to be consolidated first.

    Bit of sense there, & this elaborate elephant (wont quite say its white, cause my mind is not quite made up) is scheduled to be finished before the dart underground. Now, as much as that deadline is a pile of shite, the stated priority from gov & everyone else should be to have city centre oriented projects completed asap.

    The alignment for ‘metro’ west has to swing inside the m50 after blanch, the RPA are suggesting that it serves nothing for a staggering stretch, encouraging north dublin to follow the development of west dublin … and an hour from tallaght to the airport is pretty crap, most will take the car, i can do it in 25 minutes off peak.

    The dart underground tunnel can deliver on a scale that this semi glorified luas simply cannot, if it wasn’t for the the two interchanges with the maynooth & hazlehatch lines, metro west would be entirely useless.

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    Support for Heritage Protection Alliance of*Ireland
    by Mark Garavan* May 23, 2007

    I wish to fully support the call by the newly founded Heritage Protection Alliance of Ireland to repeal the National Monument Act 2004.

    It is a matter of great importance that the rich archaeological heritage of the country be fully protected and preserved. It is clear that the consequence of the 2004 Act is that this is not happening in an appropriate and comprehensive manner.

    The maintenance and preservation of our diverse cultural resources is a mark of a civilized society. However, these resources include not only our physical artefacts and remains but also our communities. Of particular importance are our Irish-speaking communities as these contain such an immense and important cultural wealth for all of us. All of our communities need to inhabit a humanised physical and cultural space where historical continuity and modernity exist in harmony.

    For this reason I have called for a mandatory pre-planning phase whereby developers of large infrastructural projects must engage in real dialogue and agreement with communities affected by their projects. This pre-planning stage would include identifying the cultural features – both physical and psychological – which must be preserved from possible damage. In this way development and cultural sustainability can be better reconciled.

    Found here:
    http://markgar.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/support-for-heritage-protection-alliance-of-ireland/

    *From the summer of 2005 Mark Garavan was*spokesperson for the Rossport Five and subsequently acted as spokesperson for the Shell to Sea campaign until earlier this year. He has written widely on the issue of the Corrib gas project and also on wider issues of sustainability and democracy.

    in reply to: Dublin’s Highest Capacity Line #789961
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    & Stephen’s Green, any info ? curious as to what the hell they’re on about with a ‘naturally lit’ station within the green … intended to go down myself, but can’t make it.

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    Campaign to Save Tara supports the Heritage Protection Alliance of Ireland
    The Campaign to Save Tara welcomes and supports the announcement of the Heritage Protection Alliance of Ireland and their call to repeal the National Monument Act of 2004. Ireland had the best protection of heritage in Europe until Minister Cullen amended this act and effectively gave ministers the power to destroy National Monuments in order to facilitate the agenda of unbridled and unsustainable development in the name of progress.

    Archaeology must be taken back into the care of the state and away from the NRA and the private archaeological contracting companies that it employs. Dúchas, or a body of its kind, must be put in place with an independent voice for archaeology.

    The practice of “preservation by record” is the order of the day and this is what faces the new National Monument at Lismullin. Why declare the appearance of a National Monument one week only to order its destruction the next? The Campaign to Save Tara asks that this site be fully investigated and then covered over and left in peace. The Campaign also asks that the whole area between it and Rath Lugh and its environs, including what used to be Lismullin Wood, be fully investigated by independent archaeologists and not those associated with the NRA. The Campaign also demands that the full extent of the associated finds at Lismullin be given and published immediately by the NRA.

    Dr. M. Ní Bhrolcháin said: “Tara is the line in the sand. If the Government are allowed to destroy Tara’s landscape then nowhere in Ireland is safe. The aerial shots taken by the Campaign clearly show that the whole Gabhra Valley is a monument and the road cannot be moved within it without destroying another possible National Monument. Sites such as Collierstown, Roestown and Baronstown should also have been declared as National Monuments”.

    Michael Canney said: “This new heritage protection alliance is absolutely necessary if we are to stop the increasing trend of seeing our heritage as a obstacle to progress; as some kind of inconvenience to a glorious concrete-covered future. The time has come, and the public are way ahead of the political classes in this regard, where we must recognize environmental protection and economic development as a shared goal, because it is only through thoughtful management of our environmental and heritage resources, that future prosperity is guaranteed”.

    For further Information call:
    Dr. Muireann Ní Bhrolcháin, 087-9249510 or
    Michael Canney, 086-8528200
    17 May 2007

    From http://www.savetara.com/statements/051707_alliance.html

    in reply to: Dublin’s Highest Capacity Line #789956
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    A good platform to build bolt on lines upon and ramp up capacity on the existing network

    London Tube had a billion passenger journeys in 2006 on a population of 8 million

    I am also happy that it has finally got a name that doesn’t sound like a Wavin Pipe!!!!

    in reply to: Dublin’s Highest Capacity Line #789949
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    @jungle wrote:

    Is there enough spare land in the Connolly area to bring a track above ground there?

    No thats one of the problems, the tunnel would have to continue on to spencer anyway to surface and connect with the northern line.

    in reply to: Dublin’s Highest Capacity Line #789947
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    Apart from the connectivity benefits, the route takes account of the expanding city to the east, so it will not only serve the traditional CBD around the Green but the emerging major business district in docklands also.

    in reply to: Dublin’s Highest Capacity Line #789942
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    I suppose your chance for input is next week Seamus.

    I don’t see a better route alignment to be honest from a connectivity view point, save a far more expensive tunnel that would possibly straddle the liffey south/north/south/north.

    I would simply like to see the thing built, as proposed, although talk of a ‘naturally-lit’ station within Stephen’s Green worries me.

    I see they’re officially calling it ‘Dart Underground‘ now which at least gives some semblance of what the thing is or might mean to people on the street.

    Thanks for posting that.

    in reply to: local council xenophobia finally tackled #789880
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    Now we’re into inclusion

    I’ll throw in free rates, service charge and insurance!!!!

    in reply to: local council xenophobia finally tackled #789878
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    @henno wrote:

    but again, any ban save for farmers would be challanged as positive discrimination……..
    no difference to the spirit of the guidelines, youd simply be moving the goalposts….

    That is common practice on most European countries as it does not discriminate on the basis of race etc etc.

    Hats

    I’ll get you a slot at Mahon Point!!

    in reply to: local council xenophobia finally tackled #789875
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    Nothing like the rule of law to bring populists to book.

    This is 5 years late and an immediate ban save for farmers cannot come quickly enough.

    in reply to: Walking through Dublin…. #789916
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    Had forgotten about that one … shame about its condition, is it still active ? I noticed plenty of near replica’s in San Francisco & elsewhere I imagine.

    in reply to: Galway water #787875
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    Him and his mate Niall

    Its all a big loony left plot to drive the locals out!!!

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    It isn’t signed off yet is it?

    in reply to: local council xenophobia finally tackled #789872
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    1. Yes if you work the land and make your living from it you get a house if you work in an urban area you are urban pressure on a rural area. I do not know how the issue could be in any way complicated.

    2. Someone born in rural Co Dublin can build a house in Kerry; the only criterion is that you once came from a rural area. Again if you produce food you have a right if you don’t regardless of where you come from you are suburbanising a rural area.

    3. I agree Bord Pleanala regularly reverse local authority decisions; if district courts were ignoring High Court judgements on a regular basis there would be uproar yet particular local authorities seem to be able to produce shoddy work all the time. This needs changing.

    4. No that is not what I said; Noel O’Gara rings up Mark Fitzgerald of DTZ and says Mark I’ve got a prime resi site in Dublin 6; Mark hangs up as does Pat Gunne of CBRE. Noel gets allied auctioneers of Terenure and guess what the market knows that the title is shot. By doing an application in an SAC you are saying its ok to do it; I wouldn’t use any architect who designed a house in an SAC period. You build a clientbase on reputation and having the balls to refuse work on principle pays in the long run.

    in reply to: local council xenophobia finally tackled #789870
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    1. I have not suggested a total blanket ban as people working the land need to be accommodated; no other person has a prima facia need and should therefore have the same rules as their fellow citizens.

    2. How exactly?

    3. Until the county manager over-rules the planners; it happens every day. The sham that is the system is entirely illustrated by the 95% success rate in An Taisce appeals. The land is unzoned and unsuitable for development 95% of the time according to An Bord Pleananla

    4. That is nonsense; the crap that is thrown up with PVC windows, Spanish tiled roofs and pastel renders together with disjointed garage blocks is the typical product.

    in reply to: local council xenophobia finally tackled #789868
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    So if the councils don’t have the power to enforce them why refer to them; it is clear that a carte blanche has been implemented by Dick and that an immediate ban on all one off dwellings needs to be effected pending proper regulation.

    2. Or put another way anyone with a bit of Oirish in them can build anywhere once it isn’t in an urban area!!

    3. I don’t accept that point; all the maps say is that certain areas face more pressure than others; it is not zoned resi as residential development land can accommodate planned schemes.

    4. What level of regulation would you expect less than 1% of the country has a SAC designation much of it being under water. I regard anyone who applies to develop in SACs to have no scrupples. I have had client requests over the years that I have refused and even lost clients. To blame the councils for not implementing EPA guidelines is a cop out. No Dick guidelines no problem!!

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