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- August 9, 2007 at 1:52 pm in reply to: Airports; how many state subsidised airports are required in Ireland #783128
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KeymasterLanding slots at Heathrow are restricted
The airport has a capacity of 45m pax but is catering for 63m pax some including Willie Walsh would say badly.
The point is heathrow slots are a very scarce resource with carriers such as Delta prepared to pay top dollar for them and routes to Paris, Geneva, New York very lucrative. One has to wonder what Aer Lingus are doing as they are not serving either the shareholders or the national interest in this.
August 9, 2007 at 9:35 am in reply to: Airports; how many state subsidised airports are required in Ireland #783124admin
KeymasterIf Ryanair were allowed to buy Aer Lingus this wouldn’t have happened. Why Aer Lingus chose Belfast to hub out of is a mystery to me. Why not Heathrow to Paris or Geneva I’m ie routes with massive load factors and milk run pricing structures.
I hope that Ryanair increase capacity on the Gatwick route as Heathrow is a dump that very few with a choice select unless you are flying long haul.
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Keymaster@phil wrote:
Overall though, I think well designed stations can become a symbol of pride for people, and are probably worth the extra investment
I think the expense is justified if it can be linked to above ground regeneration; Canada Water is a perfect example of this where a highly impressive station was built in an area that was very demographically challenged prior to the station opening.
In the context that developers are paying mega bucks in development contributions I very much doubt that they would welcome yellow pack finishes if the demand rational for their schemes are based largely on transport connectivity and the provision rationale based on regeneration led hope value.
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KeymasterTotally disagree
If something is worth doing it is worth doing well; London Underground has some fantastic stations such as the deco Picadilly Circus or the modern stations on the Jubilee Line Extension at places such as Waterloo, Canada Water and Canary Wharf.
As a regeneration tool it is vital that the underground architecture sets an example.
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Keymasteryep Graham, thought just the same as i scrolled down through Morlan’s pics … though as you beat me to it, you’ll just have to take my word for it ! balconies are surprisingly discreet, sewn in to the floor plate. Overall, a good job.
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KeymasterAn Bord Pleanala SID categorisation decisions are outside the public consultation process.
Any body (public or private) can apply to An Bord Pleanala to have their development categorised as SID which means that if An Bord Pleanala decide to categorise their development as SID then it becomes an SID. Please note that this is a decision by the Bord in respect of an application made to it.
This means that the criteria applied by the Bord for the purpose of categorising such application is not open for public comment/consultation. Consequently, the Act purports to give the Bord the power to diminish the public’s input compared with the participation level the public (i.e. us citizens) would have been entitled to, had the Bord not made such a decision behind closed doors. I say this amounts to an abuse of the public consultation process.
The Bord are lifting an application out of the normal planning process and landing it in a privileged position that it would not otherwise enjoy had the Bord not decided.
It must also be remembered that the Bord may conduct private consultations with the applicant of such a proposal, also behind closed doors, prior to deciding such categorisation. The public are also excluded from any comment on this “process”.
The legal flaw in the above process is that the Bord is being put in the position of purporting to decide what is essentially a question of law, and as everybody should know, questions of law are exclusively a matter for the courts to decide. The Strategic Infrastructure Act purports to dress the categorisation of development proposals by the Bord as “administrative procedure” – but the question as to what constitutes strategic infrastructure development is a legal interpretation with reference to the provisions of the Act. Under our constitution only the courts have the power to decide such matters.
The question of whether an EIA is or is not required is also a matter of law. Unfortunately, for us citizens the only way to have these matters legally adjudicated is by challenging the administrative body’s idea of the required legal interpretation of either SID or EIA in the courts. And that is another story.
There are 8 decisions
Case reference: 06FPC0030
Case Type: Private Development S.37B consultations
Description: South Apron Ramp Accomodation Village.
Category: Strategic Infrastructure Dev
Date lodged: 02-07-2007
EIS required: No
Applicant: Dublin Airport Authority Prospective Applicant
Decision: Case has been decided, details will not be available before 06-Aug-2007
Date Signed: 2007-08-01Fingal County Council (#VC0012)
Case Type: Electrity Development Consultation
Description: Installation of new 250 MVA 220/110 kV transformer in Finglas Station and extend both 220kV busbars in Finglas Station, Co. Dublin.
Decision: Is not Strat. Infrast. Dev.
Date lodged: 28-03-2007 Date signed: 11-06-2007Monaghan County Council (#VC0004)
Case Type: Electrity Development Consultation
Description: Installation of two 110kV capacitor banks in Lisdrum 110 kV station outside Monaghan town, Co. Monaghan.
Decision: Is not Strat. Infrast. Dev.
Date lodged: 16-02-2007 Date signed: 11-06-2007Galway County Council (#JA0004)
Case Type: LA Non-Road development – Application
Description: Costelloe Regional Water Supply Scheme, County Galway.
Decision: Application withdrawn
Date lodged: 13-06-2007 Date signed: 29-06-2007Sligo Borough Council (#HD0001)
Case Type: LA road development EIS Direction
Description: Eastern Garvoge River Bridge and Approach Roads, Co. Sligo.
Decision: EIS required
Date lodged: 27-02-2007 Date signed: 28-06-2007Kildare County Council, (#PC0015)
Case Type: Private Development S.37B consultations
Description: Bio Ethanol facility at Newbridge, Co. Kildare.
Decision: Withdrawn
Date lodged: 26-06-2007 Date signed: 03-07-2007Ballina Town Council (#HD0002)
Case Type: LA road development EIS Direction
Description: Pedestrian Bridge over the River Moy, Ballina, Co. Mayo.
Decision: EIS not required
Date lodged: 07-03-2007 Date signed: 12-07-2007(#JD0002)
Case Type: LA Non-Road development – EIS Direction
Description: Construction of a new theatre, a riverside walk, a new Amenity Area, refurbishment of the existing Arts Centre, car park at Barrett Street, Ballina, Co. Mayo.
Decision: EIS not required
Date lodged: 08-03-2007 Date signed: 12-07-2007August 4, 2007 at 2:14 pm in reply to: Theyre at it again – A Georgian goes on the quays / Endangered Georgian Dublin #787575admin
KeymasterInspecting the elevation supplied shows not only the elevation of the proposed (6361/06) but also the elevation of a proposal contained within an entirely separate and earlier application at No 1+2 (5369/04 handled by different architects and applicant). An elevation must show main features of existing adjoining buildings. As the proposal for 1+2 Usher’s Island(5369/04) has not yet been constructed, clearly the elevation as submitted was misleading.
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KeymasterThank you for your point relating to the fees and the fact it may be possibe to make submissions for free until the fee has been decided.
However, you are not correct to say An Bord Pleanala have made NO decisions relating to SIDs – there is a list of decisions on their website http://www.pleanala.ie/lists/2007/sid/index.htm
Even the categorisation of a development being an SID is a decision that somebody has made. This decision has been made without reference to the public.
August 4, 2007 at 1:18 am in reply to: Theyre at it again – A Georgian goes on the quays / Endangered Georgian Dublin #787571admin
KeymasterMitchell pretty much get every major landscape design scheme in this country – O’connell street, Henry Street, Eyre square, Dun Laoghaire … there’s a big list. I’d say their collective noses were knocked out a little when Schwartz was commissioned to do Grand Canal Dock, as far as i know they were responsible for the scheme that immediately proceeded it.
August 3, 2007 at 1:47 pm in reply to: Should the ‘Suas’ be allowed to avail of the fast-track legislation? #790877admin
KeymasterRent review pending for the London Eye in a couple of years.
BA are rumoured to be considering their options
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KeymasterAn Bord Pleanala have not yet publicised fees for public submissions yet they have entertained and issued decisions relating to EIS. This is contempt for the public participation/consultation process.
Extract from 53 projects apply for fast-track planning approval by Olivia Kelly 2 Aug 07
“The planning board is currently agreeing fees for the new system with the Department of the Environment and is seeking to impose an application fee of between five and six figures. The fee for appealing against the projects has yet to be determined, but a final decision on all fees is due in the coming weeks. “ 2007 The Irish TimesAn Bord Pleanala [Extract]
A Guide to Public Participation in Strategic Infrastructure Development
1. Is there a fee for making a submission to the Board?
The question of fees has yet to be determined. The current position should be checked with the Board before making a submission.N.B. This draft guide is intended as an aid to the public participative process relating to applications to the Board for strategic infrastructure development. It will be updated particularly when the question of fees for making submissions or observations and requesting oral hearings has been determined.
Some Decisions Issued on SIDs by ABP
Sligo Borough Council
(#HD0001)
Case Type: LA road development EIS Direction
Description: Eastern Garvoge River Bridge and Approach Roads, Co. Sligo.
Decision: EIS required
Date lodged: 27-02-2007 Date signed: 28-06-2007Ballina Town Council
(#HD0002)
Case Type: LA road development EIS Direction
Description: Pedestrian Bridge over the River Moy, Ballina, Co. Mayo.
Decision: EIS not required
Date lodged: 07-03-2007 Date signed: 12-07-2007(#JD0002)
Case Type: LA Non-Road development – EIS Direction
Description: Construction of a new theatre, a riverside walk, a new Amenity Area, refurbishment of the existing Arts Centre, car park at Barrett Street, Ballina, Co. Mayo.
Decision: EIS not required
Date lodged: 08-03-2007 Date signed: 12-07-2007August 3, 2007 at 11:50 am in reply to: Theyre at it again – A Georgian goes on the quays / Endangered Georgian Dublin #787568admin
KeymasterThere is more information on the planning application for Nos. 1 and 2 Usher’s Island (now demolished) on this thread
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4432 starting on 11 Nov 2005 Post No. 11

An Bord Pleanala requested 1 floor be removed from this proposal.
August 3, 2007 at 11:39 am in reply to: Should the ‘Suas’ be allowed to avail of the fast-track legislation? #790872admin
KeymasterCould those that have voted yes please come out of the closet & explain how they think the landing of several massive supporting structures along the entire length of the city quays can be justified for the sake of a gimmick.
These structures will:
Severly detract from several of the cities finest buildings, denigrating their true landmark status.
Destroy the integrity of the city quays; the relationship between quayside, river & its bridges.August 2, 2007 at 10:12 pm in reply to: Theyre at it again – A Georgian goes on the quays / Endangered Georgian Dublin #787564admin
Keymaster@Paul Clerkin wrote:
who are the architects?
Architects: Mitchell & Associates, Fumbally Court, Fumbally Lane, Dublin 8
Appeal Details:
Case reference: 29S223337
Case type: Planning Appeal
Reg. Ref.: 6361/06
Location: North West corner of Island Street & Bridgefoot St, Dublin 8
Planning Authority: Dublin City Council
Development: Mixed development comprising 41 no. residential units, office space, retail and all ancillary site works.
Applicant: Flancrest Entreprises Ltd (Applicant)
EIS required: No
Appellant: An TaisceAppeal Lodged: 08/05/2007
Status: Case is due to be decided by 10-09-2007August 2, 2007 at 9:21 pm in reply to: Theyre at it again – A Georgian goes on the quays / Endangered Georgian Dublin #787563admin
KeymasterI kinda like it on first look, now the demise of another georgian, particularly on the quays is another thing altogether… perhaps this is part of the upscaling for the heuston ‘gateway’.
With high rises popping up in all major suburbs & at stragegic gateway points, the concept of the doughnut city is perhaps becoming a reality.
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KeymasterCan’t understand Frank McD’s initial backing for this nonsense – “a sensational example of lateral thinking”
… I hope he’s come to his senses in the interim.admin
KeymasterAn Bord Pleanala Strategic Infrastructure Development (SID) Cases Week ended: 8th June 2007
Local Authority: Dublin City Council
Case reference: 29NPC0014
Case Type: Private Development S.37B consultations (Pre-App Consultation)
Description: Proposed Suas Cable Car Transport System to run from Heuston Gate area to Dublin Docklands providing a tourist facility along the River Liffey, Dublin City, Co. Dublin.
Category: Strategic Infrastructure Dev
Date lodged: 08-06-2007Applicant
Type: Prosp. Applicant
Name: The Liffey Cable Car Company Ltd.EIS required: No
Status: Case is due to be decided by 26-10-2007
Daring plan inspired by London Eye
The proposal for cable cars along the Liffey is a sensational example of lateral thinking,
writes Frank McDonald Feb 06For decades, Dublin has been divided by the River Liffey, with the northside and the southside glowering at each other over its murky depths. But now there is a daring plan to celebrate the river, bringing the two sides together in a quite remarkable way.
The proposal to run cable cars over the river between Heuston Station and North Wall Quay, just west of Spencer Dock, is designed as a tourist attraction rather than a transport service.
But like all bright ideas, it is a sensational example of lateral thinking. Developer Barry Boland, of Beaux Walk Properties Ltd, has been working on it for a year and earlier this week presented it to senior Dublin City Council officials, including city manager John Fitzgerald. Their response, not surprisingly, was enthusiastic.
It was inspired by the success of the London Eye, which generated some £60 million (€88.28 million) in revenue last year, according to Mr Boland. His cable car project would also be run as a commercial enterprise, but its thrill-seekers would be “going somewhere”.
The plan has its challenging aspects – not least the installation of four giant “towers” along the river to support the cable lines. But as conceived by architects McGarry Nà Éanaigh and engineers Roughan O’Donovan, these are light and elegant structures.
Both firms have good track records. McGarry Nà Éanaigh designed the lighting masts in Smithfield, as well as the highly successful Liffey Boardwalk, while Roughan O’Donovan designed the Luas bridge in Dundrum and the Boyne bridge outside Drogheda.
One of the principal objectives in the project, fully costed at €52 million by quantity surveyors Bruce Shaw, was to minimise the visual impact of the support structures. This has been done by limiting them to four, instead of cluttering up the riverscape.
Two of the steel towers – at the end of Marlborough Street and in front of the Civic Offices at Wood Quay – would be 85m high, while the other two – west of Watling Street bridge and Custom House Quay – would rise to a height of 55m.
With some 2,000 juggernaut trucks expected to vanish from the quays after the port tunnel opens later this year, Dublin City Council is about to start work on a new framework plan for the river – and the cable car proposal could become its most exciting element.
Chief planner Dick Gleeson and city architect Jim Barrett are certainly enthusiastic about the plan, which they see as a dynamic way of stitching the city together along the spine of its main river – though, obviously, it still has to go through the planning process.
Mr Boland cites figures showing that Dublin had 5.8 million visitors last year, with an average stay of 4½ days. But he says all of the city’s attractions are static, including the Guinness Storehouse, through which 740,000 trooped up to its Gravity Bar.
One of the terminals would be located within the Guinness Brewery on Victoria Quay, a short walk from Heuston Station; the other just west of the planned Calatrava bridge, some 50m from the site of the national conference centre at Spencer Dock.
Two new pedestrian bridges are being “thrown in free gratis”, as Mr Boland says. One would be located on the axis of Marlborough Street and Hawkins Street, providing an obviously needed link, while the other would span between Ormond Quay and Wood Quay.
Swiss manufacturer Doppelmayr Garaventa, which makes most of the world’s cable cars, are so enthusiastic about the project that they are going to invest in it. Mr Boland is banking on the likelihood that Dubliners and visitors to the city will be equally electrified.
(c) The Irish Times
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KeymasterThis case is registered on the new SID hot lists of An Bord Pleanala
New Strategic Infrastructure Development (SID) Cases Week ended: 13th July 2007
Meath County Council
Case reference: 17 EN3001
Case Type: Changes-Local Authority road development
Description: Ministerial Directions on National Monument at Lismullen, County Meath – M3 Clonee to North of Kells Motorway Scheme.
Category: Local Authority Project
Date lodged: 09-07-2007
Applicant: National Roads Authority (Road Authority)
EIS required: No
Status: Case is due to be decided by 12-11-2007From An Bord Pleanala’s website http://www.pleanala.ie/lists/2007/sid/new_sid20070713.htm
August 2, 2007 at 1:56 pm in reply to: Assistance in lodging objection against 32 apartments opposite Protected Structure #790444admin
KeymasterDetails of Application: SD07A/0569
Date Received:16/07/2007
Applicant:John O’ Connor , Molesworth Place
Location:Site of former Esso Service Station at junction of Greenhills Road and Main Road, Tallaght, Dublin 24
Proposed Development:Construction of mixed retail / residential developments of 32 no. apartments and 654 sq.m retail on 4 floors over basement car park as follows: 13 no. 3 bedroom apartments, 10 no. 2 bedroom apartments, and 9 no 1 bedroom apartments, on ground, first, second, and third floors with projecting balconies at first and second floor, and 3 no. ground floor retail units; (245 sq.m); (205 sq.m); and (204 sq.m) as modification/extension to and incorporating parts of site of approved development under construction Reg. Ref. no. SD04A/0731 with vehicular parking access through approved development under construction.
Decision Due:09/09/2007Here is the site location Plan http://www.sdublincoco.ie/339321.pdf
Deadline for Submissions is Sun 19th August 2007
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KeymasterGormley has done some really good stuff in London not least the lone figure on top of the Howard Gallery on South Bank.
I can’t see the Bord going for Cable Cars and the regs should be redrafted with the Disney Structures Amendment Act 2007outlawing all April 1 pranks from entering the real world
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