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@noel o gara wrote:
The port tunnell is an abject failure that has so many failings it would be folly to start discussing them.
Your Eastern bypass idea sounds like compounding that failure many times over.
Just naming it an Eastern bypass is double speak.People like you have your head so far up your arse that you will never see the light.
Come out of your tunnell and look at the map. Try google earth for a birds eye view.My car park will happen because the city needs parking spaces more than a set piece of nostalgia.
Not quite my idea or title, perhaps a quick search of the term ‘eastern by-pass’ on google will enlighten you further. Given that this has been thrown between nra, dto & government for the last 30 years, i’d have to question who’s head is where.
Cost benefit of (sorry to use the term again) the eastern by-pass, is highly questionable & it would not be on my list of priorities.
Indeed, its impact on the city centre may be nearly as insignificant as, dare i say it, your car park.@noel o’gara wrote:
I would say the road should be built just along the outside perimeter of Bull Island. The edge of the island would provides the foundation for the highway and hence minimal costs. For the Bull island lovers it would guarantee the stability of their island with a real hard sea barrier.
Which is more important? Bull island beach for a few dogs to crap on or relieve the whole city of its traffic constipation?I read that other thread alonso referred to and its only half right. I would say the city needs the full circle exiting at Sutton to Baldoyle and then up to meet the extended M50 on the best route available.
Ending at the city centre would not solve the problem nearly like a full circle would.
When it reaches land at Blackrock it could be taken to the Sandyford interchange via an elevated highway along existing routes R113.The port tunnel is the first section of the eastern by-pass which will take the form of a tunnel to st. helens in stillorgan where it will continue above ground, using the land reserved for the last 30 years, to meet the sandyford interchange & complete the m50.
Any cross bay suspended highway is out of the question & will never happen, much like your car park.
It’s pretty big alright, at 157 metres. Quality of images is dreadful as mentioned, I’ve grabbed a couple & tried to outline where necessary.
Its protrusion in to the georgian mile horizon is obviously fairly controversial (see below).
How come this is going through DCC ? I thought that the docklands authority would be handling it, even if it does contravene their own plan.
Before my time as well but like Miranda Guinness and Deirdre Kelly part of a group that had a huge input in preventing the total destruction of Georgian Dublin according to those who were there and greatly valued his contribution.
RIP
@PTB wrote:
Thats an interesting image of Liberty Hall there. The fact that you can see through the corners gives it a very airy look, makes the whole thing seem very light. Is it still possible to see that? Is there different glazing on it now?
That shot shows the original glazing alright … all info on this thread PTB
Ok, I can’t pick one of anything so here’s my few …
Busaras, immediately post ww2 & taking that in to account it is in a league of its own, with little to challenge it’s bravery since.
Carrolls, Dundalk
Central Bank
In general, the above have aged beautifully, there’s plenty of modern stuff to choose from but with the exception of CIT and a few others, its difficult to say how they’ll rate on the naffometer in 20 years time.
I’ll stick my neck out on the last one, no graceful aging here! but thats not exactly her fault now is it. Either way, i do concede that it would most likely have required at least a glazing refit at this stage.
Soon to be erased, Liberty Hall.
Some highs …
– Cork Institute of Technology, perhaps slightly 06 (ish!)
– Central Library decision
– Grand Canal Square, both plaza & surrounding buildings
– National Conference Centre finally under construction, that thread started in 1999 for God’s sake !
– Thomand Park, taking shape fast, great addition to Limerick.
– Point Theatre redevelopment, the city badly needs a decent venue, the RDS is proving to be a poor substitute.
– Revised DDDA thinking, even if it is producing odd results.@JoePublic wrote:
Yep, they’ve got the right attitude: all the better buildings/structures going up in the docklands are indeed by Liebskind, Foster, Calatrava, whether or not they are derivative of their previous work.
Otherwise we get the convention centre hotel slab multiplied across the docklands. Derivative greatness is better than derivative mediocrity.
I’d love to see a Gehry in the docklands, I think the MIT stata centre is an amazing building, leaks or no leaks.
Hang on Joe, we have ended up with vast tracts of sleep inducing sameness in the docks because of 1. the well documented rigidity of a DDDA that was here to fore devoid of creativity but more importantly 2. the commissioning of a single irish practice to design & masterplan at least 70% of the north docks building stock.
I have no objection in principal to having a Gehry, Calatrava or whatever but would much sooner see the many decent younger irish practices out there afforded the opportunity to make their mark. Indeed, it would have been great to see a healthy level of competition in irish architecture with many practices, including STW, vying to out do each other in the docklands.
This is what happens when a single practice is not only commissioned to design several stand alones but also sought to masterplan two vast tracts – spencer dock & point village, what is this STW bias ? no DBM, HP, ODT (endless list … )
Anyway, its too late. Here’s Graham with a quick reminder]http://www.webeireann.com/archiseek/STW/citibank.jpg[/IMG]
Clarion Hotel
Fortis HQ
Guild House
Mayor House
PWC
Spencer Dock in its entirety
Point village in its entirety
and finally … Eastpoint,
OK, not quite in the docklands but does the entire north docks really look any different ?
So you can have your few starchitects, but it wouldn’t hurt to tap in to some irish creativity first, and i don’t mean STW :rolleyes:
hmmmmmmm, flip it around & what have you got ? this one is 28 stories, albeit with & lightness of touch that its proposed, ahem, sister down the quay might be lacking.
taken from SCA’s proposal for City Quay which i have to say, i liked a lot, lovely scale for that location I thought …
I presume we can include it in the ‘un-built ireland’ section at this stage.
Build the lot I say ! I think such uniformity flanking either side of the river would work well.
Not much between them though is there ! ?
Highs
National conference centre hotel
Reaction of DCC to Clarence hotel proposal
DDDA losing their low height policy
Titanic quarter Belfast
French & Italian retailLows
Confirmation that the metro will have a crap fit out
Confirmation that O’Connell St will be destroyed during the construction of metro
The sub-prime paralysis that has hit the credit marketsIts about 27 commercial stories tall; i.e. low high rise or high mid rise.
Every morning as I walk down Grosvenor Square one sees the Centre Point Building at the end of the view; it doesn’t destroy the vista but rather makes one appreciate the quality of the square.
Centre point in comparison to this proposal is far from attractive but still has its merits.
It is good to see for the first time a large Irish developer put together a proposal of real quality.
@alonso wrote:
And also be aware that Sandymount residents are assembling the greatest legal brains affordable to opposed the S2S cycleway, so can you imagine what they’ll do for this.
Whats their beef with the cycle lane alonso ?
have to agree willinator, dreadful proposal.
here’s what I attempted to post earlier …
I also thought that it would not make line of sight at all due to curvature of river etc but turns out it probably would, this little effort has no loop line & no ifsc though, overall i reckon its impact from the west side of butt bridge will be fairly minimal, i could have the scale way off.
Devin agreed on strong similarity to cork county hall and to be honest surprised to hear your not bothered as to what we’ll end up with down there .
@GrahamH wrote:
Also where will it be positioned in views from the city centre? Here perhaps?
I think you’re right Graham, threw this little effort together, by no means perfect !
Not much impact when viewed from O’Connell Bridge, in fact it doesn’t like it will be visible at all really from the southside of the bridge with curvature of the river etc.
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Poxy thing didn’t upload, will put it up later.I’m quite surprised by this … with this announcement & that of AIB seeking another site on the north docks for a medium rise, can we take it now that DDDA have finally abandoned their long held position !?
I think it fits quite nicely behind a slightly bloated conference centre. At this stage we could really do with a wider ranging montage of the north docks detailing any proposed taller buildings. Although I’m happy to see a break away from their business park policy, Its a shame we have this back to front approach, locations for high rises should have been detailed to the letter in the original master plan.
drove by it a couple of days ago … looks like just another ‘landmark’ apartment development & a fairly average one at that … bit early to judge but wasn’t impressed by what was visible through the scaffold … Its very imposing from Davitt Road, I’m not sure if this is one of DCC’s city gateway landmarks that were talked about a couple of years ago, I hope the finished product is better.
@notjim wrote:
Well I am having trouble matching the side view with the view from the sea, but the side view looks very handsome to me, very library, you look at it and you think library.
I find it hard to reconcile the two also … I’d prefer if the sea ward facade was less obtrusive, a simple proportionate frame around an uninterrupted glazed facade would be more elegant imo.
weehamster, thanks for the linkage to some decent detail on the possibilities. I really hope the city council get this one right; the area really needs a proper centre that can serve both commercial and community needs for the wider community.
Back a few years ago when I was more directly involved in things Dublin city council related, I used to try and point out that the whole of the Northside was very badly served in comparison to the southside by the lack of anything that remotely resembled a proper town or village centre in the entire area bounded by the four corners of Drumcondra to Finglas and Swords and Killester. No social centre or place that people would be likely to go for a night out and this feeds through to the feeling that the places are more dormitory places that you go from rather than go to.
