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Anyone else see the Liberty Hall feature on City Channel last night ? only got the last 5 minutes, showed Liberty in a positive light & discussed its likely demise … Paddy (who posted a few pages back i think) was also interviewed about his film & efforts to stir up some support for this old lady.
Nice to see it get some attention, though with an overiding sense that demolition is really a fait accompli.
I find it hard to imagine Dublin without it 🙁
(yeah yeah i know its sentimental & i don’t give a shite!)It also featured on last nights 9 O’Clock news – they’ve found quite a lot of stuff !
Watch it here :
Scroll down & click on last item.
@notjim wrote:
it does give the body count: 45 mature trees felled and the replacement trees will have to be chosen to allow for the reduced root space.
“A lot of the trees in place need a lot of root space, and we’re working with the Office of Public Works to see what species can go back in. We think 44 or 45 mature trees will have to be removed.”
I think it sounds more like they are examining the possibility that some specimens can be temporarily removed notjim … which is rarely successful with anything over 20 years old. No matter where they dig in the green, or what they remove, they will encounter the root system of remaining mature trees which they’re obviously planning to doctor & hope for the best.
-Thanks for posting.The only defence for the building is that by refurbing you would have a smaller carbon footprint it is otherwise a fat slag in decaying concrete with no real design quality.
There is no doubt that the HKR building is both very attractive given rental levels for the area and dramatically overscaled for such a sensitive location.
But to call it a dramatic City tower is streching it to Ballinaskully type levels of ridiculousness chop 4 stories off and it is viable building for its location.
BL pulled the Cheesgrater on Friday the discussion around its acceptability is an interesting discussion.
the ref is 6171/07, i’ve just gone through it and can’t find any decent montages of four courts & the proposed …
quality of scans is pretty bad also.The image Devin pulled on the first page of this thread is about as good as it gets … if anyone has better stuff, please post.
I’d have to agree, the roof significantly detracts from the overal restoration, overpowering the modest original imo. Whatever about the increased height which perhaps was necessary for habitation, the selected finish & proliferation of roof lights were poor choices.
I’ve no issue with the metro north / interconector interchange being located at SSG, just the heavy price the park itself will have to pay, which is of course unecessary & the short sightedness of metro north terminating at the green.
@cgcsb wrote:
The other one is awful it’s all blocky and stubby
Adequately describes the high rise you favour i would have thought.
@gunter wrote:
As well as being of arbitrary shape and height and bulbous lumpen form, devoid of contextual consciousness, it’s clearly a bum note in the rhythm of the Quay front. This would be like Les Dawson playing the piano, only not funny.
+1 ! 😀
Devoid of context sums it up. Its only fit for an unfortunate business park somewhere, which are well accomplished in dismissing local context as a rule.
Similar enough to Clondalkin Garda Station (which i think is fairly decent, certainly superior to the Irishtown job)
Cullen / Payne
@Peter Fitz wrote:
Some encroaching on the green would still be necessary but obviously significantly less.
Agreed whatever happens with both the Interconnector and Metro North there will be some structures errected that will be out of character with the status of a conservation area. The bigger picture of mass transit must be considered and the requirements for entrances, ventilation and sub stations.
However the complete destruction of a Victorian planting scheme is simply unacceptable and the setting will take 30-80 years to come back to where it currently is. It might be different if there was another park of a similar standard in Central Dublin but there isn’t St Patricks Park is junky ridden, Merrion Square was done in the early 1980s and Iveagh Gardens is both impossible to find and overlooked on to close a scale.
The real reason why St Stephens Green is being trashed is because it is in State Hands and therefore regarded as compensation free as the OPW will capitulate and silence their heritage advisors.
Progress would have been to continue the line away from the retail district to assist future expansions, prevent retail choking on construction traffic and muck filled streets.
What I find particularly depressing is that the majority of posters seem to advocate transiting millions of annual passenger journeys to this location and completely ignore one of the principal draws for people to go there in the first place.
For a few million extra in actual costs tens of millions of externalities and 100’s of million of demand destruction (consumers going elsewhere long-term) could have been avoided. A shameful shortsighted decision from the people who brought Luas to Citywest before joining the dots. 🙁
Some encroaching on the green would still be necessary but obviously significantly less.
Road width on ssg west & north is substantial & clearly the length is there.
@markpb wrote:
I can’t understand how you could possibly advocate inconveniencing thousands of people a day to save those trees? They’re a fantastic asset for Dublin, no argument there, but if you’re asking people to walk further to take public transport, a lot will just go back to their cars so they can admire the trees from their traffic jams
If people have issues with walking a further 200m, temporarily, i doub’t they’re the type to take public transport in the first instance.
Its not about merely creating entry points from the west & north.
The clear alternative is to align metro north terminus with SSG west road space & align the interconector stop with SSG north road space.
– Both road spaces do not handle through road traffic and are under utilised.
– Both road spaces can be reinstated exactly as is.
– The Green cannot.– Further felling along the west boundary will be required to construct the interconnector.
– With future expansion south inevitable, we are consigning the park to another bout of open heart surgery in the future.how about go with both ?
reluctane by the RPA to temporarily shift the luas terminus to harcourt street is not adequate reason to remove 50+ trees & permanently alter the green.
So some flesh on the impact metro construction works will have on the green.
– The use of a faint grey symbol to denote removed trees is clearly intended to imply minimal impact.
– Despite obvious difficulty identifying trees to be removed, i’ve counted 30.
– The island is clearly in for it & its difficult to see how the proliferation of new strucutres it will host can be camouflaged.
– The plan is not accurate; according to the RPA, trees bordering the west & north side of the green do not exist & do not feature, perhaps they’re just not worthy of mention.
– This implies that all trees bordering the west & north railing are to be removed & in the case of the west side will be replaced again with a proliferation of plant type structures.
– If so, total trees to be removed will easily exceed 50.
– The massive construction box required will leave us wtih a park bearing the wounds of heavy interference and will stand in stark contrast to the remainder.
– The softness of the mature lake setting in particular, will be lost.It will surely be the short term let with the biggest retail floor area ever recorded if it happens; it is a lot of free fit out to hand to a competitor at the end of a 5 year term; presuming 5?
I’d like to see Arnotts take on the UK; I think they would do very well.
