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@onq wrote:

The original Directive came out in 1985.
It was reviewed by every EU country and revised in 2005.
You seem ot be sugesting that the entire EU beaurocracy, which included input from the heads of the schools of architecture, MISSED SOMETHING that you have spotted.
Hubris anyone?

Off to Strasbourg with you then, but you would need a solicitor and a barrister both of which would need to be members of their professional associations to practice.

@onq wrote:

I pointed out that independent regulation and paper qualifications did NOT PROTECT THE PUBLIC in the case of the so called “Banking Profession”.
Again, you attack me by labelling this “knocking”, but you have made no rebuttal.

The vast majority of bankers are fine and disciplined individuals; certain institutions got overawed by a boomtime view that there was a new paradigm centered on real estate development. Those individuals can be sanctioned by the IBI.

@onq wrote:

Please my post # 132 in this thread and comment on what I say there.

Nor am I, in fact I have stated in this thread that I support both Registration and CPD.
You OTOH have repeatedly smeared qualified architects by denying the law that entitles them to bear the title and strongly implied that they are not competent to act as architects.

Given some of the responses to this thread you may be right, but the law entitles them to call themselves architects.

So who designs the course material for CPD? Who updates the registration crtieria? Who handles the disciplinary criteria? These are not governmental functions they are those that are best managed by the professional industry body and in all other professions are run by the relevant membership organisation.

@onq wrote:

Thats not a concept I have put forward.
That’s you either misunderstanding or willfully misrepresenting my position, which I have set out at several points in this thread and which you have failed to either acknowledge or take on board.
Please read these posts setting out my position and acknowledge them before replying.
Oh and read 2005/36/EC as well – you might learn something about the law as it pertains to architects.

ONQ.

Banker bashing, RIAI bashing, other poster bashing, you simply will not look at what other professions have done and simply want to pick and choose which elements of a comprehensive professional regulation regime suit you.

I heard somewhere that the Civic Museum had fire egress issues which will be very expensive and logistically challenging to resolve; I stand to be corrected on this.

In terms of museums it is I think only a matter of time before there are charges to them; we are way out of step with most countries granting free access; the winners being the bus companies who soak up that section of the tourists budget which otherwise would go on museum admission; lets be honest some of the collections held are well worth paying to see. The argument for keeping museums free is largely based on the very important role that museums play in childrens education; if all under 18s and all student card holders were granted free admission then tourists visiting here would simply revert to the european norm; this way the museums could earn income towards their ongoing maintenance and to acquire important historcal material which does the auction house rounds every 20 to 30 years as collectors pass on.

I’m not convinced that the majority of Ulster folk would be that fussed, recognising the contribution of all Irish war dead from the Somme to Lebanon and doing so on Armistace day would really hit parity of esteem in a much more uniform way that they could buy into; celebrating 1916 in a mature manner reflecting that it was an episode led by poets and trade unionists who rebelled in the full knowledge that theirs was a blood sacrifice against a regime they found unjust and not an ethnic conflict would really display just how far we have come as a country.

Then you could truely say that sectarianism would have one last home in these islands; Glasgow albeit that the SFA aren’t a million miles from erradicating the cancer from the football terraces there either.

My golf career lasted 2 hours such was my natural aptitude for whacking a tiny piece of plastic around a field 😮 so the only boards I get sport from are message boards 😉

CPD can’t be that onerous in Architecture; I did about 40 hours a year over the past couple of years of which 25 hours would be internal; 5 hours with clients solicitors which is usually accompanied by decent wine and 10 hours through the industry body. Throw in the industry monthly magazines and it keeps you up to speed not to mention giving you the perspectives of some exceptional professionals who clearly do CPD to either give something back (you’d hope) or exercise their egos (more likely).

@onq wrote:

As a qualified architect, I’ve already done two years of law – what’s your point?

No.
I’m pointing out that two Directives and a Statutory Instrument confers on me the right to call myself an architect, because of my qualification

Stupid boy.
Its not a request.
Its a statement of fact based on law.
You’re the one trying to get the world to fit his world view, not me.

Don’t ever accuse me of rambling again.

Let’s see now.

“From 2009|2010 all Institute of Bankers in Ireland’s educational programmes will be offered through The Institute of Bankers School of Professional Finance (a recognised school of University College Dublin, affiliated with the UCD College of Business and Law). Hence, those who successfully complete a School of Professional Finance programme from 2009|2010 will receive their educational award from UCD.”

• An attempt to guild the lily.
• Attempts to close the stable door after all the horses have bolted.
• Desperately seeking respectability by association for the most badly regulated. profession in the world.
• All of the above, and then some.

Like I said, watch the fervour of the ones without the paper qualifications as they tout them or seek them or demand that others to seek them.

Its a sure sign of an inferiority complex.

Or a cover up, for the number of unqualified successes there were in the Bank.

Only you would find this amazing.

Some attempt at humout though, touting bankers as paragons of CPD.

Bankers and Insurances offices – when I was in secondary they were where all the thickos were sent by their influential daddies because they had two chances of ever completing a university education.

With all this talk of “risk aversion” and you being “satisfied your due diligence was complete” when you saw the RIAI badge, you must be either in insurance, or banking.

Which is it?

ONQ.

How many shoulders do you have?

@Tayto wrote:

[Translation: Yes, those old-fashioned 20-year old degrees are way past their sell-by date. What you want is one of our latest state-of-the-art models. It’s nice and shiny, see? AND it provides a much better defence!]

Wow, I didn’t know that..thanks! You learn something new EVERY day!.

A 20 year old degree is perfectly fine; if the holder has received ongoing professional development from the relevant professional body. But you have to admit there is a difference between someone with the degree and someone who completes part 3 and abides by the rules of the relevant professional membership associaion thereafter.

Billy isn’t going back; he’d block the QBC coming down Andrews Lane!

In terms of his removal you’d wonder was it a mob that thrashed it or if the provost of Trinity didn’t want the horses rear end pointing at the college and had it removed as was the case with the Pizzaro statue the horse of which had its rear end facing the Cathedral on the Plaza de Armas in Lima.

If the purpose was to get commuters to the City Centre and or connect them to the rail network; wouldn’t building a spur rail line from the Maynooth line not be best?

http://www.multimap.com/maps/#map=53.35516,-6.40297|14|4&bd=useful_information&loc=IE:53.35753:-6.44561:14|lucan|LUCAN,%20SOUTH%20DUBLIN

If a station were built on the North Bank and a pedestrian bridge from Main Street there is a mile or so through open country between the north bank and the Maynooth line. No doubt the land-take costs could be offset by the capital contributions towards the stations the developers would need to make. Why anyone would want to build a meandering tram line this far out is beyond me.

@KerryBog2 wrote:

The shareholders got nothing,

Those are the risks with equity investment; but the largest losses were suffered by the parties to you refer; it was far from a penny stock for a long time.

FORMER CELTIC TIGERS’ BORROWING COSTS HIT BY GREEK DEFAULT FEARS – The injustice of it all! As fears of a Greek default escalate, Ireland’s 10-year borrowing cost rose above 5% on Wednesday, a 2 percentage point premium over German Bunds. In its influential Lex column, the Financial Times says that Irish finance minister Brian Lenihan has led the way among ailing peripheral euro zone economies in taking the harsh fiscal measures needed to regain investor confidence. He set the example months ago that Athens should follow now, slashing public servants’ salaries, and welfare payments. Investors rewarded him: the yield spread over Bunds narrowed. Now Dublin has given up those gains as Greece, the European Commission and the International Monetary Fund fail to agree on similar draconian measures for Athens. Ireland is no saint, the column says. Like other peripheral economies it became uncompetitive, paying itself too much and producing too little. And unfettered bank lending and limp regulation during its property boom brought deep recession when the bubble burst. The 12.5% contraction in Ireland’s gross domestic product since the end of 2007 is the euro zone’s worst. Output could shrink 1.3% this year. Furthermore, Ireland’s budget deficit, at 14.3% of GDP, is higher than Greece’s. But Ireland is not in the same league as Greece: the former Celtic Tiger has a credible recovery plan and has bounced back before.

Unlike many sections of the UK media you can always depend on Lex to stick to the underlying numbers.

NAMA GIVES FIRST CASH TO DEVELOPERS – NAMA, the toxic loans agency, has extended its first-ever funding to the country’s developers as they struggle to finish projects around the country, says the Irish Independent. The agency declined to name the developers who received the capital or the amounts they received. “NAMA has provided small amounts of urgently needed working capital to support a number of projects to date,” said a statement from the agency. A number of developers are now expected to seek permission from NAMA to roll over huge debts in the next few weeks. NAMA said yesterday it would decide on these when staff review the business plans of the developers. It is likely that major developers will now be forced to sell unprofitable or underperforming assets, following a review of their business plans. While NAMA is anxious to avoid a fire-sale of development land, trophy assets which are in the red are under scrutiny. Some of the top 10 developers have had business plans sent back because they are not judged to be realistic enough. However a number of plans are still outstanding. They disclose huge indebtedness and extensive breaches of loan covenants.

Watch this space going forward, one hopes to see a firm hand and a disciplined and patient investment approach.

@onq wrote:

Why are you seeking to defame me by suggesting they were unsafe?
I’d start backpedaling now if I were you, because I’ve ignored this gross slander for long enough..

You are in an internet forum using psuedo-id; not like a membership number is attached. I have no confidence that people without part 3 are fully competent without carrying out a time consuming due diligence procedure. Proper regulation in the form of needing to be a full member to be considered a fully qualified architect removes the requirement for due diligence.

@onq wrote:

I wasn’t going to be drawn on how other professions operated because it would have been so easy to shut you down, but now that you’ve opened the Banking can of worms, what’s your point? .

Regulation in Ireland in most fields was non-existent at the time your right to be considered qualified was enacted. Other professions recognised this and self-regulated. They certainly never regarded graduates as qualified.

And I say again;

Did you look at the link I posted?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0522/primetime.html

The subject is fire safety or the lack of it.
Look at the section on Shangan Hall Apartment Block
This is an apartment block adjoining the Ballymun Civic Office

The section starts at 38:46
The pass the parcel starts at 44:14
Developer, MRIAI, Fire Safety Consultant.

@onq wrote:

So much for assurances to the public based on automatic registration of MRIAI’s.

ONQ.

You should make a complaint to the RIAI if one hasn’t already been made. At least there is a membership body to complain to and if you drafted the complaint yourself you wouldn’t incur the legal fees you recommend others to.