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i must repeat an earlier post. Upgrading roads is in general the worst thing you can do with your money.
Very simply if you upgrad a junction or whatever so that it can cope with an extra 100 cars per hour , you will end up with an extra 110 cars per hour.
Just look at corks histrory (or dublin’s ) as we have built more roads the traffic has gotten worse . It is mad but that is how it is. If you want fast roads you have to charge people to use them . plain and simple.
And you have to charge people a lot. Consider would you still have the same traffic jams if you charged a fiver through the tunnel ? People might object but have they considered the time they waste sitting in their cars .
Say you are paid 30 euros an hour . well if you spend an hour going to work , wouldn’t it be in your interest to pay a five euro toll and so only spend ten minutes commuting and work for fifty minutes ? You are up anyway ?
don’t follow dublin experience it is a bad bad experience. you need group transport group living and group working : a city
no sometimes you have to give a someone a good kicking , just to let every know that you are still around lest they forget about you. an taisce were left out of the heritage thingamajig announced by roche the clownman.
it is why politicians rarely ,but regularly have little explosions in front of the tele, to make sure we take them seriously (ha.)
i think you are probably right. local council ought to have taxing power of some description. the nessecity to raise taxes is not certain but probable .
But there is more by splitting dublin four ways every council is neutered. i cannot speak for the rest of the country , but the entire area inside the m50 ought to be governed by a single council . a directly elected mayor is another thing that could make a difference.
But there is more to this . i think when creating the development plan, the council should propose 3 , a ten year a twenty year , and a hundred year plans. thing like housing density should be explicitly marked .
So say the metro is built then every kilometre either side of it could be demolished over time and rebuilt with the higher density needed. As things lie there will simply be an uncomfortable struggle between the houseowners and developpers seeking higher buildings
Things like parks and future possible parks should be marked. etc etc.
sorry for being unclear . the pat liddy drawing, shows a building which is substantially bigger than liberty hall.
the planners lopped of a load of floor and what was permitted was the same height at liberty hall.
I think that any highrise here is a terrible idea. we should be look towards eventually removing the loopline not reinforcing the effect of encroaching on the custom house , what should be the jewel in the city’s crown.
As for housing , well of course i don’t want the housing market to collapse. However for anyone still naive to think it won’t a recent research paper reported in the times did not make reasurring reading. 42 out of 42 house price booms in europe crashed in the last century. Our situation is probably closer to japan , where a decade of depression followed a decade of boom , because banks were left with huge amounts of bad debt that noone could pay.
We are a smaller (read tiny) and some of our banks are internationall meaning less pain for the banks.
When something is overvalued it comes back into line, and there are tears. How many we cant say. But if you have second houses off load what you can !!!
forgive my petulance , but i don’t think you fully apreciate the scale of this picture. The lower section is twice the height of the new irishtimes building. the taller section is a bit higher that liberty hall, but has substantially more bulk. Notice how the design of the taller section tries to pretend is is only 11/12 storeys high , when it is infact double / triple that number.
I have seen old three storey buildings abutted by skyscrapers in yankee land, the result is not pretty. one particular small church beside an office block in boston springs to mind.
Hopefully the housing market will collapse before what is in my opinion liberties part deux is put upon us.
i was hoping to focus more on the planning issues , not simply a checklist. It seems to me that overall there is still no vision for the city ,and more importantly dublin and it’s surrounding counties. Where there is vision (heuston , smithfield, city markets, ifsc, docklands, etc etc, ) we just are not getting it right. not even close.
I am scepticle that money is the problem , as the city council have never had so much to spend. With years long housing ‘crisis’ it seems fundamentally wrong that the living over a shop scheme failed dismally.
Is it tax ? would a use it or lose approach to inner dublin help ? (ie annual tax on the value of the house )
Is it that city planning is entirely driven in responce to planning applications or not (ie the planners evaluate prososals for agreement with the development plan, instead of applicants looking to the development plan and basing their apllication on it.)
What about heritage : there is loads of buildings protected , but there is certainly no sense of areas where we will strive restore, areas where we will only conserve, and areas where if an idea is good enough demolition is ok.
then there is transport. I happened to get the bus instead of the tram to work today , what a joke! apperently i was in a fantastic bus lane. Well a guy got off and walked , twenty minutes later i look out the window and he passes by. What is going on ? at best we are looking at twenty years to build the transport network up. What the fuck do we do till then ?
i do hope it doesn’t . there is tremendous bulk to that design.
Why is it that places appropriate for highrise don’t have them, while enormous hulking towers like this get the go ahead.
In sandyford industrial estate several enormous towers were proposed along the luas line. these would have been ideal (if they had also proposed a park and a school etc etc. ). These ended up turned down . However recently a new enormous development in the industrial estate is proposed. of course it front the M50 and is as far as can be from the luas line. i would bet that it is allowed!
if traffic is increasing at such a rate then the only solution is to introduce tolling. The experience worldwide is unequivocal: you cannot build (roads) your way out of traffic congestion. You have to get people out of cars and into buses ,trams ,etc.
I have always noticed that cork has much better potential for introducing some proper public transport systems. But last time i was there is noticed that some proposed bus lane was in dispute. Putting these in place is what will improve your ring road (or reducing acces to the ringroad – not improving it ).
D is roches stores on henry street. dont post one like this again , i have been tearing my hair out for an hour! not fair.:) 🙂 🙂
demolishing esb would be great but methinks it could only happen with government money . Otherwise i think recladding is the best that will happen.
@phil wrote:
If the discussion is then about reproducing what was there before, I would question the extent to which this has actually been done, or is possible. Your windows question probably illustrates this in that it is impossible to reproduce exactly what was there originally anyway, so therefore something original but in keeping with its surrounding context might have been a better response to the site. Bear in mind that I am not trying to propose a solution that would have stood out in contrast to the terrace, but merely stating that through properly thought out design a solution can be found that does not rely on attempted replication alone.
Yes i agree but not here. There are three places which need pastiche : fitzwilliam square and street , parnell and mountjoy square. I do think that the uniformity of goergian (pretend of otherwise) is crucial in these three areas.
All the other streets could probably accomodate modern infill. I certainly think a striking modern building could look well on harcourt street. note use of the word could!
@markpb wrote:
I think it’s been there a while but I only noticed the garish sign last night so I’m guessing it’s new. I’ll send a letter to planning enforcement later and see what they say.
i would add that they seem to be very very busy . as it took a good month or two to get a letter back from the council.
I am assuming that eurocycles have done nothing .. Does anybody know what the is next thing to do ?
terribly disapointed. i all wanted to see the politicians put something of cultural benifit here. An opera house could have been majestic
well what i did with eurocycles was to check if any planning permission had been given or sought in the last few years , and there hadn’t been. I don’t know if there is a time limit to these things though.
how long is the poker joint there ?
@publicrealm wrote:
Mount St Annes is not a gated development. The estate is privately maintained with very extensive central parkland containing several mature trees – worth a visit .
It is gated where it matters : access to the luas line is for residents only . the rest of milltown has to walk around .
of course you want the most house for your money . this is ireland of the naughties
Perish the thought of a nice house or that you will probably spend most of your time in your car …
I say . knock it down . lash a load concrete supports in the ground. and cover with corrugated iron, making sure to cover all the site.
