will sligo clip the wings of Dunlop and Murray
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As I made it very clear I will be a member of An Taisce from Monday the 22nd of December 2003
Fair play Paul you just ensured they get a life subscription.
Ther is nothing to be ashamed about joining past members such as
Cearbhil O’Dalaigh
Sean McBride
Arthur Cox
Claiming membership while being out of subscription is a far worse thing.
Being an independent consultant must mean that and no I was not not a member prior to this
and yes I gave a donation to Lancefort and yes looking at the finished job I concede they (Westin) did a good job
Sorry Paul , you’ve floored even me with that bit of detective work.
I am new to working in your country and acutely aware of the sensitivities involved as an outsider believe me. But our client is absolutely committed to making this a high qulity project for his town and has invested sustantially in the region of £40,000.
And to dismiss this out of hand and then say “take it to Europe” is out of order, in my view
Spencer Dock expended €1m plus it still didn’t make it the right project. This is not Dallas
True enough Diaspora ……..I think though “mendacity” means the same in Dallas as Dublin.
There is a big difference between consulting i.e. giving untied options to two organisations
Yes options. A lot different than losing all objectivitiy or playing the role of advocate. therefore advising on the basis of what may suit your client to the cost of objectivity
As for member there are two definitions firstly of an organisation that means you must pay a subscription.
Secondly a professsional body meaning that you must work objectively
a little like the conquistadors I believe the lure of oro
[a little like the conquistadors I believe the lure of oro [/B][/QUOTE]
if u are comparing an taisce to the conquistadors i must applaude u. yes they are very similiar. they went, they savaged all around them and then left leaving the natives of the country in a worse state.
ur policy of lets protect everything is absurd. and using the most flimsy of evidence and arguments u win because of sympathies within decision making bodies. these bloody old buildings should be in a museum. if u have to protect every thing then how are we going to progress as a nation. we are viewed and a small minded, backword and catholic nation and an taisce are not helping with the rest of us breaking our balls trying to change that.Fin,
sorry to give you a history lesson but the conquistadors were Spanish Catholics
The Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were the ones who lost their civilisations.
It was the Conquistadors who tore down American temples and built their houses.
It was the conquistadors who melted down priceless gold jewllery for bullion.
It was Drake who stole a good deal of that Bullion.It was Irishmen like Roger Casement pronounced casey-mente who challenged the mess that was left behind.
As for An Taisce they as now could have done very little to prevent such wanton destruction.
That would have been An Bord Pleanala the people who actually decide.
Originally posted by Diaspora
Hey the decision was madeenough about starting witch-hunt for an organisation that is around a lot longer than you have been. Has had the patronage of many much greater than you
Take it to Europe if you have a problem.
That comment is just extraordinary!
Speaks volumesFin you make about four statements that directly contradict each other.
Savage and conquistador go together.
Protect and decision makers interpreting the Local Government (planning and Development) Acts go together.
Backward and Conquistador go together.
Protect and non-sectarian go together.
I just fail to see how tearing down Historic Buildings progresses anything. This was a development proposal not an essential infrastructural project.
At the discretion of professional planners
You could do with two years under Paul Clinch
i have never heard of him nor do i care to be honest.
“I just fail to see how tearing down Historic Buildings progresses anything. This was a development proposal not an essential infrastructural project.”
how about the progress of that particular area developing it so as to improve it’s locality. sligo in in dire need of it. and was it not the politicions who decided not the planners? and i am quite sure from intense lobbying from ur organisition. as it’s not the planners which decide the listing of buildings.now i was comparing an taisce to the conquistors. where exactly did i contradict myself 4 times as u seemed a wee bit vague.
No your wrong Diaspora. It was also an infrastructure proposal, we were working directly with Sligo Council’s regeneration proposals for the regeneration of the area around the Courtyard.
Fin, “Patronising” and “Mendacity” are the same when translated into Spanish.
Fin The ability of any non-government organisation to lobby Councillors in any part of Ireland is virtually non existent.
No two things do it, Frnak Dunlop and the Lure of Buildings that lose their shine a couple of years after construction.
Make no mistake Sligo will develop, but to do so it requires architects with the skill of Alan D to design.
But to do so in places that do not involve levelling existing streetscapes. My own interpretation is that the side elevation is actually more striking than the front.
Who is Paul Clinch?
UCD planning School,
Having explained the difference between objectiveness and advocacy I have no desire to return to villifying individuals or organisations.
However any attempt to compare a National Trust with the Conquistadores is possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
To be considered patronising for explaining the difference in basic english is
well advocacy
they show the exact same regard for the people and welfare of the area so i don’t think it is that ridiculous.
Ridiculous,
Go to Potosoi in Bolivia sometime visit the mines where two million slaves died mining gold and Silver, where they are still working twenty hour days for about $5 a week.
Look at the ecological devastation of that region.
The only people that have shown any regard for the people of Sligo are companies that actually provide unique employment such as Abbott Labs.
Anyone developing property to service this is capitalising on their investment.
Done cleverly it is called regeneration done badly it is called hacking
ahhh! capitalism is great isn’t it. this is what we encourage as it develop’s our country.there is nothing wrong with it as long as it’s done according to the rules. when the rules change halfway so that it can’t happen ie change a building so it’s listed then we have got to ask the question of why is this happening. to deny a person this liberty because of some unknown reason other than it was built a long time ago is th only thing that is ridiculous.
ok ur talking about bolivia. yes all that did happen so what is an taisce at objecting to developments in the country where it brings economical devestation to an area when people are forced to move elsewhere. it may not be the same but the similiarity is striking.
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