Wiggins Teape
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The Irish Independent reports this morning that the Collen Group is applying for planning permission on the Wiggins Teape site. Nowhere is it mentioned that the group cynically and scandalously demolished the building, including its outstanding portico, last year. Instead there’s a lot of blather about how Collen’s original application was held up by a single objector and eventually An Bord Pleanala gave an unreasonable decision. What a shame the Collen Group can’t be forced to rebuild Wiggins Teape like Noel O’Callaghan did with Archer’s.
@Sue wrote:
The Irish Independent reports this morning that the Collen Group is applying for planning permission on the Wiggins Teape site. Nowhere is it mentioned that the group cynically and scandalously demolished the building, including its outstanding portico, last year. Instead there’s a lot of blather about how Collen’s original application was held up by a single objector and eventually An Bord Pleanala gave an unreasonable decision. What a shame the Collen Group can’t be forced to rebuild Wiggins Teape like Noel O’Callaghan did with Archer’s.
I have been trolled 😮
You have had a bit of a ‘Road to Damascus Conversion’ have you not?
No, there’s no Pauline conversion here. I appreciate fine buildings and I am as appalled as anyone else when a historic or architecturally important building is razed. However I am not a NIMBY. Most development is good and a lot of opposition to it is thoughtless.
I just feel this site is getting off the point. Instead of discussing architecture (good and bad) it’s getting bogged down in conservation and anti-roads issues. What does the M3 and Tara debate have to do with architecture anyway?
It has to do with the visual of preserving one of Ireland’s Heritage sites and not opening adjoining lands up for development, many of the remains at Tara were once buildings and may shed some light as to the development of primative architecture in Ireland.
I find it very unusual that someone would talk about the sanctions levied against those who demolished Archers Garage with such authority and then take such a different view of Tara. Troll is the word that springs directly to mind.
Clearly sophisticated argument isn’t your strong suit, Thomond, if you can’t see why I would declaim the destruction of Archer’s Garage, and refuse to be outraged by a motorway that will bring relief to thousands of people in Meath being built at some distance from a hill that has only mythical associations.
no such word as “troll” in my dictionary. clearly you have to make stuff up as you go along
@Sue wrote:
Clearly sophisticated argument isn’t your strong suit, Thomond, if you can’t see why I would declaim the destruction of Archer’s Garage, and refuse to be outraged by a motorway that will bring relief to thousands of people in Meath being built at some distance from a hill that has only mythical associations.
no such word as “troll” in my dictionary. clearly you have to make stuff up as you go along
I’ll not waste anymore of my time, but I stand over what I said
@Sue wrote:
The Irish Independent reports this morning that the Collen Group is applying for planning permission on the Wiggins Teape site. Nowhere is it mentioned that the group cynically and scandalously demolished the building, including its outstanding portico, last year. Instead there’s a lot of blather about how Collen’s original application was held up by a single objector and eventually An Bord Pleanala gave an unreasonable decision. What a shame the Collen Group can’t be forced to rebuild Wiggins Teape like Noel O’Callaghan did with Archer’s.
What a bunch of loony lefty tweedy conservation types infest this site. I think you’d all be better moving over to the An Taisce chatboard. This is supposed to be an architecture site – and you can’t build stuff without either knocking other stuff down or “destroying”
– Taken from Sues comment on “Tara – what they won’t tell you” :p
I was really suprised by the brick layer because the construction method was cool, instead of using removable molds for the poured concrete they lifted in molds with pasterboard attached and rods already inside and these weren’t removed after the concrete was poured. It seemed so clever, the insulation and so on could have already been there and the whole building process would have been simplified and deskilled, this advantage is thrown away by having a brick layer.
Can anyone explain why it is called Lighthouse?
Pure advertising I guess is the reason.
“Close to the shores of Dublin Bay, the apartments at the Lighthouse are the perfect choice for everyone who thrives on the buzz of the city living” etc etc.The advertising seems to use an image of the South Wall Lighthouse
I notice that the non brick clad walls are to be rendered and painted cream.
Another one to add to the list of Dublins “could have been nice” buildings.It is such a shame this building was demolished. It was a landmark in the area, and was one of the few, if not the only building of note along the North Wall Road.
The long facade, somewhat reminiscent of the National Concert Hall, was perfectly suited to flanking the roadside.A building of intrigue above all else – that alone made it special 🙁
Sue- “…only mythical associations.” Substitute the word ‘cultural’ (or ‘social’) for ‘mythical’ and your case begins to look very shaky. Less tangible qualities are no less valuable.
You would rank Archer’s or Wiggins Teape above Tara? Or architecturally important buildings above cultural landscapes?
Without over-rehearsing the Tara arguments here (sigh), a train line would bring relief to thousands of people in Meath, as would jobs in Meath, as would adherence to the NSS, as would…
“The M3- A failure of the imagination.” (TM)Hutton- before I upbraid you too I shall ask, are your comments about building/destroying sarcastic? Please tell me it is so.
Archer’s- sadly missed and rightly replaced.
WT- sadly missed.
Tara-…It’s not a matter of ranking Archer’s and the Wiggins Teape buildings above Tara – it’s about ranking them ahead of a narrow strip of land hundreds and hundreds of metres away from the Hill of Tara.
Do I value architecturally brilliant buildings above “cultural landscapes”? Yip, guilty as charged. Give me something concrete (pun intended!) ahead of airy fairy landscapes any day of the week
@Sue wrote:
It’s not a matter of ranking Archer’s and the Wiggins Teape buildings above Tara – it’s about ranking them ahead of a narrow strip of land hundreds and hundreds of metres away from the Hill of Tara.
Do I value architecturally brilliant buildings above “cultural landscapes”? Yip, guilty as charged. Give me something concrete (pun intended!) ahead of airy fairy landscapes any day of the week
Ha ha, you are very funny Sue and could I ask is that Sue for Susan or Sue for litigation?
@Jack White wrote:
Ha ha, you are very funny Sue and could I ask is that Sue for Susan or Sue for litigation?
You made a funny yourself there Jack White 😀
Thats right I’m from the Garden of Ireland, Jack White’s was a great roadside Inn until she ran it into the ground by not respecting the heritage of the place and letting things (like cleaning the kitchen) get too close to the core attraction.
Thankfully its now under new management and the threat has been removed, its a win win situation for the commuters of Wicklow who can stop and enjoy the place anytime they want with the same ambience as before.
Sometimes you have to Sue to protect the common good, sad really 🙁
there was large fire at this site on sunday, http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0528/fire.html
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=785&highlight=Wiggins+Teape
@lostexpectation wrote:
there was large fire at this site on sunday,
Wiggans Teape is long gone. You can buy an apartment there now – lighthouse I think it’s called.
This fire was on the other side of Church Road at Cahill Printers. As Paul says, it is indeed the subject of an appeal at the moment.
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