What’s up docks?
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Originally posted by Keen
how about closing down one of the poolbeg chimneys, repainting it and sticking a huge saucer on top a la CN tower, stick a radio antennae on top and hey presto?Nah, that’d be just plain stupid looking.
here is a couple of pics i found of our neighbours i think they are a little dated so there is probably many more additions to these skylines
im not saying they are particulary nice but its just to show where we are in terms of high-rise and are maybe behind the times so to speak
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nice little collection there paul h
vienna and brussels suprised me when i first seen them (I think the Millenium tower is missing from the Vienna skyline there)
just thought i would add some skyline pics when i was in Berlin last month…
first one is postamer platz (tweeked a bit in photoshop due to bad weather)
2nd and 3rd are unknown
4th is city centre as seen from tiergarten (zoom)I know you were messing Keen! But I denounced that plan out of pedantic habit. :-
Those other EU states are well ahead! 🙁Dublin:
so my conclusion from the europe pictures and i guess from the us cities i know is that tall buildings look best when clustered and crammed in together and the rest of the skyline left unpunctuated by isolated towers. paris has it right and it works out like that in frankfurt too because everything is in the financial district. i certainly hope noone is supposed to look at the picture of leige and think, why can’t we be more like that! i also think its funny to see toronto here, without question a complete mess of a city; considering the resources, wealth, population, historic building stock, etc, toronto gets really poor value out of the urban environment.
I didn’t see a photo of Toronto in that post. I think the one you are referring to is of Berlin (The bottom one?) However, I think this discussion is verging on the ridiculous in that a general concensus appearing over the last few days seems to be that any highrise is good highrise, and that we should just plonk them up to prove that we are not ‘behind’ other European cities. As Notjim already said, those images illustrate some good examples, but also illustrate some terrible examples of building high within a city. For example, Gdansk is definitely not a city Dublin should aspire to in terms of its approach to highrise.
Is it possible future development springing up around metro north in that empty space between might yeild dublin’s la défence? Are there any provsions for development densities along this corridor? I like keens idea:D though isnt there something similar on a smaller scale in smithfeild
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Maybe one of the designs that failed to win can be used across the water in the Point Village.
Tower across the water was designed by STW. And yes, it makes me want to yawn.
http://www.irish-architecture.com/news/2005/000163.htmland not surprisingly looks fairly similar to their proposal for the u2 tower … granted the photomontage is fairly distant.
http://www.irish-architecture.com/unbuilt_ireland/dublin/u2_tower/stw/1_lge.html
STW – “we think inside the box” (TM)
their proposals for dun laoghaire, u2 tower & point village are all pretty lame, well to me anyway !
very interesting press release from July 16th on http://www.ddda.ie
It talks about the buildings height – 100m to ‘shoulder’ with a max provision of 20m for a ‘roofscape’. This means the overall max height is 120m!
It also goes into detail on the provision of a bridge (public access), a public space, the layout options for the other unite around the site and of course the design guidelines for this ‘landmark tower’I think the DDDA might feel that they have generally made a dogs bollocks of the Dublin docklands regarding its visual impact, innovation, an exciting place to live etc…so they are trying to patch it up with all this guff and last minute bits and pieces of a few towers. To initially have a mininmum height of 3 storeys or whatever it was in this area was ludicrous as the outcome now is truelly awful. Anyone that pays over half a million or more for an appartment here are robbing themselves in reality. Peter Coynes precedent has fucked up what could have been far far better. (he has fucked back to Scotland now, has he not, and handed the reigns to some other civil servant type.)The skyline of Frankfurt in the photos looks the biz, (as well as London and Paris; Barcelona looks lost as well.) A similar cluster of even just a few towers in Dublin docklands would have made an immediate and striking impact for this part of the city, and also act as a better selling point regarding finance, corporate business etc…than what’s there now. What’s there now is truelly awful as it gets more and more completed by the day. An assortment of run of the mill bollocky blocks does not make it unique in any way. 🙁
Frankfurts skyline up close is truly awesome, they are soaring towers indeed. Then again, it has the muscle behind it for such towers – large banks reside there mostly. Also in Rotterdam as Europe’s largest port has a nice skyline down at its docks. This is probabely the difference between Dublin and europe’s larger skylines. Hotels also make up a large amoint of European skyscrapers which were built in the 60’s or 70’s. Ireland has only grown up really in the last decade economically and commercially but i agree we could have turned this around years ago.
Also, I don’t understand the focus on such residentail towers either, can’t we not afford to build taller office blocks? I guess the apartment market is much stronger. I mean nobody cares when they are at work if they are on 5th floor or 50th floor, When you live there, it does count. So why can’t we find large corporate tenants/hotels to fill office blocks and save our huge business parks from being built in the sticks. A modern downtown in the docks with proper rail links would have been a solution, I wonder have we blown a golden opportunity. 🙁phil – yes, sorry, i glanced at berlin and because of the long straight road and the needle like tower, thought it was toronto, dumb, looking again it looks nothing like. i just have a terrible toronto adversion which is triggered by the slightest thing. apart from that, i agree with you, this debate is always wierd – focussing on height rather than quality.
Although Gdansk hasn’t got a good example of high rise compared to the other cities pictured; however, look at how neat the terracotta pitched roofed buildings are and how both the backs and fronts of the buildings look presentable, uniform and tidy. Compare that of any shot of Dublin city and you’ll see hotch-potch, mis-match, grubbiness, filth, and irregularity all gone beyond. And when you think that Gdansk was under the dreaded bankrupt Commie regime for years and suffered during WWII as well.
just a couple of more pictures. to be honest they do not even scratch the surface of whats going on out there.
I think in ten years time you are going to see a complete transformation accross europe in regards to skylines as they shake of their old world shackles. the entire world is seeing an incredible explosion of high rise constuction
http://skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=64istanbul
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