well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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- December 20, 2007 at 9:44 pm #754678
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InactiveRoman baths: new plan for former Jesuit church

Fiona Tyrrell Thu, Dec 20, 2007
A former Jesuit church in Limerick is to be turned into a day spa and leisure centre and will feature a 20-metre swimming pool in the nave of the church.
The Jesuit Church of the Sacred Heart at The Crescent in Limerick city and its adjoining residence is to be redeveloped into a mixed-use leisure facility to be called the Roman Baths.
The two buildings were purchased by Galway-based developer John O’Dolan for over €4 million last year.
O’Dolan has been in pre-planning talks with Limerick City Council regarding his plans for the landmark buildings and expects to lodge a full planning application within four weeks.
Various uses for the buildings – including a commercial office building, restaurant and a pub/club – were considered before a proposal to develop a mixed-use leisure facility was decided upon.
The scheme, if it gets the go-ahead from the local authority, will see the church transformed into a day spa featuring a swimming pool, gym and treatment rooms.
Architect John Kennedy of Waterford-based Elliot Design said the proposed scheme will involve “very little alteration to the church” and “virtually all of the fabric of the existing structure” will be retained, including all five altars.
The pool will be in the nave of the church, where the congregation once sat, and a glass wall around the pool area will ensure that the existing view from the front of the church to the altar remains intact, said Kennedy. A gym of around 743sq m (8,000sq ft) will be on a new floor to be constructed five metres above the ground floor.
A sauna and steam room will be in an ancillary space adjoining the church. Six spa treatment rooms will be in the basement of the church and the adjoining residence.
It is proposed to put a restaurant and juice bar on the ground floor of the residential building and have eight individual office suites on upper levels, providing around 743sq m (8,000sq ft) of space.
The church was developed by the Jesuit order in the mid 19th century.
The developer says he has been in talks with a group about holding a Latin Mass in the building once a month.
The use of the church as a leisure facility will ensure continued public access to the building, he says.© 2007 The Irish Times
December 20, 2007 at 9:55 pm #754679Anonymous
InactiveSix-storey €40m development for Catherine Street
Limerick Leader By Mike Dwane
A SIX-STOREY €40m development in a rundown area of Catherine Street will create 600 jobs developers have said ahead of submitting a planning application this week.
The site between Catherine Street and Glentworth and Mallow Street, and incorporating the former Limerick Leader printworks, is being developed by the Catherine Street Partnership, which is backed by city businessman Noel Harrington and others.“The project makes a strong, confident statement about the future of Limerick. We believe it will be very well received by local businesses and residents who will see it as creating critical mass of commercial and amenity infrastructure in an area which is earmarked for significant investment by Limerick City Council in the years ahead.”
It appears to be two floors too high? I believe the architects are Murray O’Laoire? Does this kill off any possibility for a Georgian garden for this block now?
December 20, 2007 at 10:02 pm #754680Anonymous
InactiveBord na gCon move towards new greyhound stadium
Limerick Post By John O’Shaughnessy
THE FIRST steps towards a new greyhound stadium for Limerick were taken this week, when Bord na gCon, through the Limerick Race Company, lodged a full planning permission with Limerick City Council, for the development of a greyhound stadium and headquarter office, at the former Greenpark Racecourse, on a 6.6 Ha site.
Several months ago, and as exclusively reported in the Limerick Post, Bord na gCon took an option on the Greenpark site after they had abandoned plans to locate close to the Two Mile Inn Hotel because of planning difficulties with Clare County Council.
The proposed development at Greenpark will consist of a greyhound racing stadium and ancillary development works, car parking, lighting, landscaping and access works, all on a site of 6.6 Ha.
The track will be a 500m greyhound track (480m internal circumference/510 m external circumference), it will provide stadia viewing, dining area, kennel block, shop, storage areas and office building.
Site levels will be increased to accommodate the proposed development so that the proposed finished floor level of the stadium building will be 4.5m.
The track will generally be at a level of 4.2m, and the final height of the stadium building will be 16.1m with additional roof support poles of 9.7m.
Filling of lands over an infrastructure wayleave is also proposed.
The facility will provide for 510 car, 54 greyhound trailers vehicles and three coach parking spaces around the stadium with access onto and from the Dock Road via the permitted internal access road which will require detail changes.
The proposed will also allow for the construction of a roundabout on this internal access road to access the north east end of the stadium site.
Should full planning permission be granted, Bord na gCon will be placing both the Markets Field and their Henry Street offices on the open market.
Third time lucky!
Limerick 37 to return to the Market’s Field in the near future? 😎
December 22, 2007 at 8:31 am #754681Griff
ParticipantSeems like an odd choice of use for this building since 2 similar ventures on Henry st struggled and with the Marriott and Hilton not a million miles away…
December 22, 2007 at 5:35 pm #754682Tuborg
Participant@CologneMike wrote:
Third time lucky!
Limerick 37 to return to the Market’s Field in the near future? 😎
Or maybe not!
Radical plan for 10,000 seat stadium in Cals Park
THE Limerick Leader has learned that talks are at a “crucial and sensitive” stage in securing a state of the art indoor sports and events stadium which could hold over 10,000 people.
The Hyde Road site has been earmarked as the venue for the massive development, which could be home to Limerick soccer and also possibly be used for international concerts and conferences.A number of interested parties, including Limerick City Council, the FAI, the Limerick Regeneration Board and Limerick District Management Committee are believed to be involved in talks regarding the possibility of building the facility.
The chief executive of the Limerick Regeneration Agencies, Brendan Kenny, confirmed that Regeneration officials were involved in the talks and that proposals for Caledonian Park would be included in the Regeneration Vision Document, which is released in January.
“We would very much love to have a state of the art sporting facility in the area,” said Mr Kenny.Mr Kenny could not confirm the size of the stadium being discussed but said that the mooted capacity figure of 10,500 wasn’t faroff the mark.
The Limerick Leader was this week shown a document which showed how far the secret negotiations have come along.The document published by the Limerick Football Partnership, which consists of all schoolboys, ladies and junior and senior teams in Limerick, details the group’s infrastructure requirements.
Cllr Jim Long, who is a representative for the area in which the stadium may be built, said that City Council is in negotiations to purchase ground owned by CIE next to the council-owned Guinness site on Carey’s road, which also borders on the Caledonian Park site.
“It’s my understanding that talks are at a crucial and sensitive stage between City Council, the FAI, the Regeneration Boards, CIE, the LDMC and representatives from the Limerick senior soccer scene,” said Cllr Long.
The article is a bit short on detail, although the notion that an indoor arena could become “a home” for Limerick soccer is a bit ridiculous. Im not sure how big this proposed site is but if the city council are getting involved, why not go the whole hog and finally develop a proper stadium that senior soccer in the city so badly needs and deserves! Im not sure about the markets field, it looks like that site will more than likely be sold to the highest bidder.
December 22, 2007 at 6:09 pm #754683Tuborg
ParticipantClancy Strand Development
Permission is sought for the demolition of Strandville, Roseville and Curragour House, ancillary sheds and structures, at Clancy Strand, Limerick and permission to construct 49 no. apartments (14-3 bed, 34-2 bed and 1-1 bed) in a five storey building with 1.5 floors of basement carparking, site entrance, drainage, landscaping and ancillary works
Clancy Strand
LimerickDecision: Granted😡
I think this decision demonstrates once and for all, that the Limerick City council planning department really are a pack of amateurs. I cant see for the life of me, how they passed this! The refurbishment work on clancy strand itself looks excellent but their going to spoil it all now with another cheap cladded box. From what I can see there is no change to the original plans and im pretty sure that jacksons turret is also as Roseville. Unfortunately there is no access to the list of conditions on the web page so its unclear if Jacksons turret is to be retained or not. Whatever happens, its a given that this is heading to An Bord Pleanala. We’ll see what they make of it!
December 22, 2007 at 7:59 pm #754684Anonymous
Inactive@Tuborg wrote:
Radical plan for 10,000 seat stadium in Cals Park
The article is a bit short on detail, although the notion that an indoor arena could become “a home” for Limerick soccer is a bit ridiculous. Im not sure how big this proposed site is but if the city council are getting involved, why not go the whole hog and finally develop a proper stadium that senior soccer in the city so badly needs and deserves! Im not sure about the markets field, it looks like that site will more than likely be sold to the highest bidder.
The drawback with Caledonian Park is that it is landlocked on all sides. It is flanked by a long row of houses on the Hyde road side and a railway line on the other. Access used to be through a small pedestrian lane from the Hyde Road side or over a footbridge from Janesboro. I believe that the shops at the top end of Hyde road are now demolished? I wonder, if the Limerick City Council under the regeneration of Ballinacurra Weston have plans to re-design the layout of the estate?
December 29, 2007 at 7:18 pm #754685Anonymous
Inactive@Tuborg wrote:
Clancy Strand Development
I think this decision demonstrates once and for all, that the Limerick City council planning department really are a pack of amateurs. I cant see for the life of me, how they passed this! The refurbishment work on clancy strand itself looks excellent but their going to spoil it all now with another cheap cladded box. From what I can see there is no change to the original plans and im pretty sure that jacksons turret is also as Roseville. Unfortunately there is no access to the list of conditions on the web page so its unclear if Jacksons turret is to be retained or not. Whatever happens, its a given that this is heading to An Bord Pleanala. We’ll see what they make of it!
I’ve not appealed anything to ABP before but will certainly be doing so in this case.
December 30, 2007 at 11:34 am #754686Anonymous
InactiveI wonder, if the City Council has since drawn up some guidelines for the Clancy Strand area after receiving / granting this planning application? If visual impact is one of the main concerns for this development, then maybe a solution would be for the developer to simulate the proposed development by erecting covered scaffolding to outline the new building. This could be a practical aid for the local residents, friends of Jackson’s Turret or An Bord Pleanala to see the physical impact of this development on Clancy Strand.
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By the way Dan, did you appear in RTE’s “Questions & Answers†from the Hilton recently? (17.12.2007 Programme)
December 30, 2007 at 2:52 pm #754687Anonymous
InactiveYes I did appear on Q & A.
That image above is for the seven storey version and they appear to have made the decision based on new drawings again.
The city council site is simply saying that a decision has been made and that it is conditional
http://www.limerickcity.ie/WebApps/PlanningApps/PlanningApplication.aspx?FileNo=06213
The decision was made Dec 20th. So with the clock ticking from then we have 4 weeks to get the submission into ABP.
December 30, 2007 at 5:11 pm #754688bonzer1again
ParticipantLooks like two of the main anchor tenants for the opera centre might be M+S and Brown Thomas, does this imply that Brown thomas on O’Connell street is going to be re-developed after the move?
MARKS & Spencer could be moving to more than one location in Limerick .
Jenny Mulholland, head of property planning for Ireland with Marks & Spencer, has confirmed their intentions to have a second outlet in Limerick and said having a city centre outlet “is definitely on our strategy.”
“We have always been very interested in having a centre in Limerick city, even if it is just a food outlet. The city is very vibrantand we are keen to be a part of the retail environment there as well. We’re looking at a number of locations in the city,” she said.
Rooney Auctioneers are in discussions with the British chain regarding acquiring an outlet in the €250million Opera Centre. M&S has already committed to opening in the Crescent Shopping Centre.
Auctioneer, Pat Kearney said: “I think they may want a presence in both locations. They could have clothing in one store and food in the other.”
The flagship store in Raheen, which will be the biggest in the west of the country, will include fashion, home and furniture products, a food hall, café and deli bar.
Mr Kearney confirmed that Brown Thomas has also been approached about moving from O’Connell Street to the Opera Centre, but said “nothing positive has happened on that front yet.”
December 31, 2007 at 3:41 pm #754689Anonymous
Inactive@bonzer1again wrote:
Looks like two of the main anchor tenants for the opera centre might be M+S and Brown Thomas, does this imply that Brown thomas on O’Connell street is going to be re-developed after the move?
If auctioneer Pat Kearney can convince the directors of Brown Thomas in Dublin to move to the Opera Centre, then this would definitely unlock the city’s premier commercial site for re-development. Ideally such a re-development opportunity should extend as far back as Little Catherine Street!
Work begins in New Year on Hayes’ birthplace
Limerick Leader Petula Martyn
THE €2m restoration of 4 Patrick Street, the birthplace of Limerick’s most famous operatic soprano, will begin in early 2008 as part of the €250m Opera Centre development.
Limerick Civic Trust plans to restore the 19th century architectural decor of the Georgian house to what it was when Catherine Hayes spent her childhood on Patrick Street.
Number 4, Patrick Street was built in the early 1700’s and is an important example of early Georgian architecture as well as being one of the first developments in Newtown Pery. The building consisted of a shop front with four storeys over a basement.
It was donated to the Trust by Suneil Sharma of Regeneration Developments, the company developing ‘The Opera Centre’ – named in honour of Catherine Hayes. The building is currently in ruinous disrepair but the Trust have begun a fundraising campaign to raise €2 million to faithfully restore the opera singer’s home.
December 31, 2007 at 5:10 pm #754690PoxyShamrock
Participant@CologneMike wrote:
If auctioneer Pat Kearney can convince the directors of Brown Thomas in Dublin to move to the Opera Centre, then this would definitely unlock the city’s premier commercial site for re-development. Ideally such a re-development opportunity should extend as far back as Little Catherine Street!
I really can’t see BT moving out of their Premises on O’Connell St. After all it is their building and if they were to move to The Opera Centre it would mean paying rent. A BT2 in The Opera Centre would be a good thing though.
December 31, 2007 at 5:43 pm #754691Tuborg
Participant@CologneMike wrote:
If auctioneer Pat Kearney can convince the directors of Brown Thomas in Dublin to move to the Opera Centre, then this would definitely unlock the city’s premier commercial site for re-development. Ideally such a re-development opportunity should extend as far back as Little Catherine Street!
This would indeed be a fantastic opportunity to finally revitalise a significant city centre block. The site on which the Brown Thomas store stands is essentially the very heart of the city and the old Todds building in particular was considered something of a landmark in Limerick, not something which could be said about its replacement. There would be no tears shed over the loss of the williamscourt mall either, yet another building that contributes absolutely nothing to the streetscape.
It has been speculated that Brown Thomas are reluctant to leave their current location so this whole saga could be nothing more than just wishful thinking on behalf of the opera centre letting agents! Maybe Brown Thomas might consider relocating while redevelopment takes place before moving back to a larger, modern premises!
January 2, 2008 at 11:36 pm #754692Tuborg
ParticipantTwo conflicting reports here on the exact nature of the works to be carried out on the opera centre site in the near future. Both however confirm what many of us had thought for quite a while, ie. that the developers have bought up a number of adjacent properties that had not formed part of the initial application. The most interesting inclusion is that of the old City hall, strangely only the facade of the building is listed on the record of protected structures!:confused:
Other properties likely to form part of the revised development are No.s 1,2,3 Patrick Street, immediately adjacent to the Catherine Hayes house and also the former fat zoe’s restaurant beside the town hall. It remains to be seen how these will be integrated into the shopping complex. I wonder is Pat Keogh being a tad optimistic in hoping for no further delays given the history of the project so far?
€250m development boost for city centre
By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent
LIMERICK city centre has received another boost with confirmation yesterday that work on the massive Opera Centre development is to get underway in the new year.
Belfast businessman Suneil Sharma is behind the €250 million project.The news came a day after it was announced that a €40m development is being planned for another location in the heart of the city.
The Opera Centre will cover a massive 400,000 square feet with frontage onto five streets which will include Rutland St, Patrick St, Ellen St, Michael St and Bank Place.
Pat Kearney, who heads Rooney Auctioneers, spent more than four years negotiating the purchase of properties with up to 40 landlords, owners and tenants.
Mr Kearney said: “This will be fantastic for the city and it will give Limerick a new national shopping focus.â€
The Opera Centre development will take more than two years to complete and will feature spectacular elevated walkways encased in glass, linking various shopping locations within its parameters.
More than 1,200 people will be employed full-time in the centre.
It has been named after a famous Limerick opera singer, Catherine Hayes, who was born in Patrick Street and who sang for Queen Victoria in Buckingham Palace.
It is planned to preserve her old home at No 4 Patrick Street as a museum in her honour.
Mr Keogh, of Regeneration Developments, who is overseeing the huge development, said it was now all systems go with all planning requirements satisfied.
These include surveys and conservation reports on houses in Patrick Street.
Demolition work to clear the main site will commence in January.
Mr Keogh said: “Some adjustments will likely be made to the original state of the art plans, because additional properties have come into the scheme. Some plans will be amended and we hope that this will not cause any delays. This will be a huge boost to the regeneration of the heart of the city.â€
A report on the revitalisation of the city centre published last week warned that the city centre was in urgent need of massive development of its retail sector.
The report, co-authored by the former president of the University of Limerick Dr Ed Walsh, stated that the city centre retail sector had, to an unprecedented scale, fallen behind the suburban shopping areas.
It called for an iconic development of the Arthur’s Quay Park area which is adjacent to where the Opera Centre stands.
Marks & Spencer considering move to €250m centre in Limerick
Marks & Spencer could be moving to more than one location in Limerick in two years time.
Rooney Auctioneers on O’Connell Street, Limerick, are currently in discussions with the British chain regarding acquiring an outlet in the €250m Opera Centre.
Auctioneer Pat Kearney said: “I think they may want a presence in both locations. They could have clothing in one store and food in the other.”
Jenny Mulholland, head of property planning for Ireland with Marks & Spencer, has confirmed their intentions to have a second outlet in Limerick and said having an outlet in the city centre “is definitely on our strategy”.
“We have always been very interested in having a centre in Limerick city, even if it is just a food outlet. The city is very vibrant and we are keen to be a part of the retail environment there as well. We’re looking at a number of locations in the city,” said Ms Mulholland.
Marks & Spencer have already confirmed their intentions to open a major outlet at the Crescent Shopping Centre in Raheen, Limerick, pending planning permission from Limerick County Council.
The flagship store in Raheen, which will be the biggest in the west of the country, will include a wide range of fashion, home and furniture products, a food hall, café and a deli bar.
Mr Kearney confirmed that Brown Thomas have also been approached about moving from their store on O’Connell Street to the Opera Centre, but said “nothing positive has happened on that front yet”.
Despite a number of media reports stating that work is to begin on the massive retail centre in January, Pat Keogh, who is involved in the development of the Opera Centre, has dismissed these suggestions.
Rather, conservation work will be carried out on four Georgian buildings on Rutland Street, which An Bord Pleanála ruled to conserve.Mr Keogh said as a number of other buildings have come into their possession since the application was granted, they will be going back to City Hall with further amendments to their application.
One such building is the offices of the Limerick Post, which is a protected structure.
Mr Keogh said the full plans for the future of the Opera Centre will be tied down in the New Year, and said plans to include The Granary building on Michael Street into their development is “not certain and not conclusive”.
Dick Tobin, senior planner with Limerick City Council, said they have received compliances in relation to the planning permission that was granted by An Bord Pleanála earlier this year.
However, he said he has not been made aware of any new plans to alter the application, to include The Granary, which houses the nightclub, Trinity Rooms, the City Library and City Enterprise Board, among other offices.
“I haven’t heard anything formally yet. As tenants we would have to be informed even before the planners would be informed,” said Mr Tobin.
When built, the Opera Centre will be the largest commercial development in the Mid-West and is expected to create in excess of 1,000 jobs.
Belfast businessman Suneil Sharma sold on his interests in the Opera Centre to a consortium of investors this May for an undisclosed sum.
Kerry property tycoon Jerry O’Reilly has been confirmed as one of the three new investors.
Mr O’Reilly also owns The Granary building in Limerick, which is a protected structure.
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Old City Hall Rutland Street LimerickJanuary 4, 2008 at 12:08 am #754693Tuborg
ParticipantRTE news report on the 25th anniversary of Limerick Civic Trust, with a piece on the restoration of the Catherine Hayes house on Patrick Street. You’ll need real player to view the clip.

4 Patrick Street
January 4, 2008 at 11:05 pm #754694Anonymous
Inactive34-41 Catherine Street
File No: 081
Received Date: 1/2/2008
Applicant Name: Catherine Street PartnershipDescription: Construct six floors of commercial accommodation consisting of; offices, retail at street level, 3 levels of basement car parking 110 car parking spaces and associated site works in connection with the proposed development. This includes the demolition of numbers 34,35,36,37,38,39,40 & 41 Catherine Street along with the buildings to the rear of these properties including the former Limerick Leader facilities. The facades of 35, 36 & 37 (35 & 37 are proposed protected structures) will be retained and restored to their original state.
Murray O’Laoire Architects
January 6, 2008 at 9:59 pm #754695Tuborg
ParticipantYou went a building too far with your highlighter there CologneMike, the yellow building marks the boundary of the site.
I notice this is the 2nd attempt at a redevelopment of that area in the last couple of years. Back in 2004, permission was granted by Limerick City Council for a “transitional residential apartment building”, this was later appealed to An Bord Pleanala who subsequently overturned the decision, on the grounds that:
1. Catherine Street forms part of the 18th century extension to Limerick City known as Newtown Pery, which is an area of unique architectural character and of considerable heritage value to the city. Numbers 35 and 36 Catherine Street arelate Georgian houses of classical design, which form part of a small terrace of such, the rest of the terrace consisting of number 37 Catherine Street. It is considered that this terrace and these buildings are of architectural heritage significance sufficient to justify their retention and conservation. The proposed development would entail demolition of most of the historic fabric of thesebuildings, thereby destroying part of the architectural heritage of the city and seriously injuring the amenities of the area. Therefore, the proposed development would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.
2. Notwithstanding that the proposed use would be generally acceptable, it is considered, having regard to the scale of the proposed development and to the pattern of development in the vicinity, including the proximity of a number of protected structures, that the proposed development would be of excessive density and would, thereby, seriously injure the amenities of property in the vicinity.
If the last proposal was considered to be of excessive density, I wonder what they’d make of 6 storeys over basement, with 60,000 sq ft of retail/office space!:eek: Ideally this development should go ahead in some shape or form (prefferably with the full retention of 35,36,37) as this part of the city centre has effectively been bypassed in terms of investment in recent years. This could be the kick start it needs!
January 7, 2008 at 9:10 pm #754696Anonymous
Inactive@Tuborg wrote:
You went a building too far with your highlighter there CologneMike, the yellow building marks the boundary of the site.
Pity, they could have extended the “Catherine Street Partnership†as far as Gleeson’s shop on the corner.
Have you heard anything more for the former Hanratty’s Hotel on Glenthworth Street? The planning application extends into the whole core of that block, including a building on Cecil Street on the other side.
Any images of the “Foreign Affairs†offices at the top of Henry Street about?
January 7, 2008 at 9:14 pm #754697Anonymous
InactiveBedford Row
I see the former “Grand Central Cinema†on Bedford Row is taking shape. Hope the newly laid slabs will survive the construction work!
Picture courtesy eirest0ne
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