well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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@Tuborg wrote:
Limerick Boat Club
Should be interesting to see what the plans are like!
Tuborg, I’m just as curious. I wonder, what can Michael Daly with 20 million euro to invest, achieve here architecturally wise?
By the way do you think that the cut stone bridge needs improvement? I mean with these flowerpots / baskets swinging from it’s side or these “Christmas†lights hanging from lamp post to lamp post like Brighton pier? In my opinion they visibly just clutter up the bridge? It’s a beautiful bridge, needs only maintenance i.e. weed cleaning etc. As for lighting, just only emphasise the underneath arches with floodlights.
I see that the railings on the Condell bridge have been painted green. Does this railing colour compliment the developments at the round-about i.e. River point, Jury’s Hotel, Steamboat Quay?
Photos 1 and 2 courtesy from the ecscw07
Aerial photo circa 1970 courtesy DerHur
I have seen draft plans for the Limerick Boat club site, and predictably enough, it promises alot without delivering anything. It has at least 2 storeys with no windows facing the river, just bare plating.
The glass section looks interesting, but I have doubts over whether it’ll be anything other than the usual high quality drawing, low quality building crap. It’s also quite high, it will completely block views of Shannon rowing club from the Shannon bridge. The part reserved for the Boat Club is quite small, but I guess that’s fitting, after all, they were the incompetent ones who ran their club into the ground anyway.
It’s just another crap building to add to the crap buildings that are currently so beloved by our esteemed City leaders.
@Dan Sullivan wrote:
The main boat club is listed but the shed isn’t. What has changed since the building was listed? I think the councillors owe people an explanation of why they have changed their minds if they have done so.
I would be completely opposed to the suggested development, it seems to me from this remove to be more about enriching individuals than supporting the activities of the boat club. The state of the building would seem to imply little of any money was spent on its maintenance over the years and one has to wonder how many boat clubs does Limerick require.
I can’t imagine that many of the other businesses in the area would be too impressed with large glass structure popping up there. It would be more in the line of the city councillors to do something about Dunnes and the Roches/Penney block. another trip to An Bord Pleanála I guess for a development on the river.
Dan,
To quote you on the Limerick Blogger 28/12/06 12:42am
“The rest of us will take the sensible course of reviewing the planning application and using the democratic process to make our objections or submissions should we have them while you send your time carping on the the comments section of someone else’s blog.”No planning application has been lodged by Limerick Boat Club so what planning application are you reviewing regarding the proposed development? I believe the Boat Club usable are will increase by over 160%.
@Nautiman wrote:
Dan,
To quote you on the Limerick Blogger 28/12/06 12:42am
“The rest of us will take the sensible course of reviewing the planning application and using the democratic process to make our objections or submissions should we have them while you send your time carping on the the comments section of someone else’s blog.”No planning application has been lodged by Limerick Boat Club so what planning application are you reviewing regarding the proposed development? I believe the Boat Club usable are will increase by over 160%.
The plans have been around since April, as I’m sure you know Nautiman. What to you think of the two storey, windowless wall facing the river?
Course, why we need a Boat Club with no crews is a separate matter.
@CologneMike wrote:
Wishful thinking Dan, looks like everything there is put on hold for the moment. The only positive aspect is that the lettings are short term. The images for the redevelopment of Roches Stores are not to be seen on Newenham Mulligan’s web site any more. Below Liddy Street / Honan’s Quay.
Jebus remember the trouble those pictures caused 😀
other picture is here
http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=1707and the shitstorm is here
http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=1762Good images and overall plan on http://www.eml.ie for their “Limerick Vision” which was announced recently which would see Liddy St, Arthurs Quay, Dunnes etc all knocked. interesting if nothing else!
well there’s a fat chance of that plan coming to fruition!
I believe there’s one thing, more important than any other plans, which is vital for limerick to cease looking as ugly as it does. Everywhere in the city centre the pavement are made out of ugly concrete, would it be too much to put paving stones down? I think the difference that paving stones made in thomas street and bedford row show how important this is. As it is, these ugly pavements make the city centre look neglected and intimidating.
furthermore, i think that eml architects have some cheek giving their vision for beautifying limerick given the monstrosities that they’ve been responsible for. They designed that revolting food fair building on william st!
@Nautiman wrote:
Dan,
To quote you on the Limerick Blogger 28/12/06 12:42am
“The rest of us will take the sensible course of reviewing the planning application and using the democratic process to make our objections or submissions should we have them while you send your time carping on the the comments section of someone else’s blog.”No planning application has been lodged by Limerick Boat Club so what planning application are you reviewing regarding the proposed development? I believe the Boat Club usable are will increase by over 160%.
I’ll be reviewing the planning application when it is lodged, and also contacting the local councillors to oppose the delisting of the boatclub. I outlined above my opposition to the delisting and also the suggested height of the proposed development or are you denying that a delisting is being sought or that plans are being shown to people?
How much do you stand to make out of all this, nautiman?
@billy the squid wrote:
Jebus remember the trouble those pictures caused 😀
The top journalist story for the year 2006 was …………………………â€The Paint Job†:p
@vkid wrote:
Good images and overall plan on http://www.eml.ie for their “Limerick Vision” which was announced recently which would see Liddy St, Arthurs Quay, Dunnes etc all knocked. interesting if nothing else!
Think big!
EML’]Civic Centre (6-10)[/B]
I was aghast at first when I saw all these scattered high rise proposals for the Arthur’s Quay area. Though when one takes a closer look at their map concerning the Civic Centre, one can see their emphasis on open space is achieved through high rise replacing existing buildings e.g. Sarsfield’s House. It’s radical to say the least, Arthur’s Quay Shopping Centre replaced by a Conference Centre. Penneys, Debenhams and Dunnes all to disappear. The road from Liddy Street to Patrick Street is also to disappear or replaced by a tunnel? Two towers on either side of Liddy Street as an entrance to Arthur’s Quay. A cultural centre to be built in the middle of the park.
I personally would not like to see high rise buildings go up here as it would in my opinion ruin the historic medieval skyline of King John’s Island (St Mary’s / John’s Castle). It would also not be keeping in height with the 18th century Georgian expansion (Newtown Pery). Interesting no mention of where the commercial / retail centre should be focused?
See previous: Michael Tiernan’s City Centre Vision
Latest on the Redemptorists development on the South Circular Road
Order asked to revise plans for 300 units
Traffic congestion feared if original plan is passed.
THE Redemptorist Order has been asked to withdraw its planning application for almost 300 apartments at the rear of the existing monastery on the SCRd. Cllr Joe Leddin criticises the application as “totally unacceptable†on traffic grounds alone.
Opposition also comes from Cllr Pat Kennedy, who advises Limerick City Council to refuse it “in its present formâ€.
Paying tribute to the Redemptorists for the significant contribution it has made, particularly to the educational life of Limerick, he says: “We should do our best to accommodate them but it must be for a suitable developmentâ€.
Cllr Leddin said it is his understanding that City Hall engineers have concerns regarding the “massive negative impact on traffic,†that the development would generate.
“It’s obvious that the scale and the impending impact on traffic volumes within the vicinity, arising from the construction of 286 apartments, would be catastrophic,†he says.
Cllrs Maria Byrne, Jim Long, Pat Kennedy and Leddin complained that traffic congestion is also a daily issue on such adjacent streets as Gerard Street, Quinn Street and New Street.
“If approved, this proposed development, which would generate some 400 additional cars, will lead to utter chaos throughout the entire area, which, apart from being residential, also has a number of primary and secondary schools located nearbyâ€.
The councillors stress that they are not opposed to a refurbishment of the monastery building and the construction of a new school and a creche, but that the number of apartments envisioned is too dense.
Continued Leddin:â€I, along with my colleagues, were successful in our efforts to oppose a similar type application to the rear of Punch’s Bar, in favour of a low density development of semi-detached houses. I see as much more suitable to this location the development of a low density 56-house complexâ€.
Acknowledging that the development as it stands would create significant traffic problems in the area, senior planner, Dick Tobin, said that it is the planning department’s experience that when an application goes to an Bord Pleanala “it goes into a lotteryâ€.
“We will be asking the applicants for further information, particularly in relation to traffic and the scale of the development, but it is not likely that we will consider this application any further until we get it into some more acceptable form,†he said
@PoxyShamrock wrote:
The idea of levelling Davis St to give way for a welcoming plaza isn’t a half bad idea though!
EML’s Limerick Vision
Train Station
A plaza from the railway station to Tait’s Clock is an interesting idea. Do they propose a simple conversion from a roadway to a pedestrian way for Davis Street or something more radical like widening the street by demolishing both sides of it? It seems that the railway station would remove it’s railings thus integrating it into the proposed Plaza. A big drawback would be the new planned orbit route along Parnell Street which would see a heavier volume of traffic dissecting it.
In general the new proposed orbit route is a step in the right direction for the city. I’m not too sure about the new planned route along Sexton Street. It will run past the main gates of the CBS and Presentation schools, definitely not an ideal situation (3,000 pupils).
What if they ran the orbit route to the rear of the schools?
That would of course require big changes to connect Cathedral place with Mallow Street. It would require a tunnel under the railway lines at Colbert Station and it would have to run through Jackman Park. This could be achieved if a trade-off with the Market’s Field took place after Bord na gCon relocated to their planned new greyhound stadium.
Before the tunnel on the Roxborough side, provision must be made for access to the new planned bus terminal. The present roundabout system could regulate the flow of traffic at the Junction of Mallow Street / Parnell Street / Railway Station / Tunnel / Carey’s Road / Hyde Road / Edward Street. The wide Hyde road is a totally under utilised route into the city centre.
I must say I do prefer the Alternative Orbit Route but the crossing of the train tracks would be risky. A Subway or flyover or level crossing?
CologneMike, is this an actual alternative or just something you thought of yourself?@PoxyShamrock wrote:
I must say I do prefer the Alternative Orbit Route but the crossing of the train tracks would be risky. A Subway or flyover or level crossing?
Actually I suggested a tunnel crossing.
CologneMike, is this an actual alternative or just something you thought of yourself?
No it’s not an actual alternative and yes it’s just a personal suggestion.
Georgian Regeneration
The Georgian buildings in Limerick city present a wonderful opportunity for a re-use as residential units. In our study we propose the upgrading of the rear lanes to mews lanes, the construction of a first floor deck (over car-parking) with access to a family apartment on the upper floors through a new stairs and winter garden.
Together with a basement apartment and the development of the mews building as a duplex unit, each Georgian could yield four residential units with quality outdoor space and car-parking.
The first image (EML) is a bit blurred. The blue tainted spaces are residential and white denotes commercial use / car-parking. EML don’t go into details about how they would go about restoring the building itself. I personally would prefer to see the car-deck go underground.
The second image shows the perfect rear garden, though this show case is part of the Georgian house museum. The rear yard to the right reveals an ugly surface car-park. If I’m not mistaken, could the building site to the left be this new Boutique hotel?
Second image courtesy of chocfrog75
Part of the problem is many of the Georgian buildings are not as deep as indicated by EML but in fact are one room deep. Myself and a few mates I had a look at a place on Hartstonge street a while back (the beginnings of an insane idea about clubbing together, buying a dump and redoing it) and the building consisted of one room and the stairs all the way up.
I like the suggestion from EML though, we need to make the Georgian buildings viable as places people can live in or frankly they’re done for. We could easily afford to allow significant tax write offs for refurbishments (if we could do it for crap holiday homes up and down the country that lie vacant most of the time) to make them functional as residential family homes.
@CologneMike wrote:
What if they ran the orbit route to the rear of the schools?
That would of course require big changes to connect Cathedral place with Mallow Street. It would require a tunnel under the railway lines at Colbert Station and it would have to run through Jackman Park. This could be achieved if a trade-off with the Market’s Field took place after Bord na gCon relocated to their planned new greyhound stadium.
Before the tunnel on the Roxborough side, provision must be made for access to the new planned bus terminal. The present roundabout system could regulate the flow of traffic at the Junction of Mallow Street / Parnell Street / Railway Station / Tunnel / Carey’s Road / Hyde Road / Edward Street. The wide Hyde road is a totally under utilised route into the city centre.
Spare us any more roundabouts CologneMike, the city is cursed with far too many of them as it is! Id go with signalised junctions in as many locations as possible, with traffic on the actual orbital route getting priority! Have to agree with you on your suggestion for an alternative route though, I think long term it would prove to be a much more practical option, although whether the geniuses in Merchants Quay would have the ambition and forward thinking to implement such a plan is another story altogether!:rolleyes:
As it is Sexton Street is totally unsuitable for orbital traffic with 2 large schools and a number of residential properties! It simply isnt wide enough to safely carry that level of traffic and I bet you’ll find serious opposition when the consultation process starts! Firstly it would mean the removal of on-street parking space for residents and I cant see them being happy with that! Secondly, with the 2 schools, there will no doubt be safety concerns and theres bound to be pressure for pedestrian crossings etc, this would have a knock on effect on traffic flow! The whole reason for the tunnel and now the orbital is to get the city moving again, theres not much point in creating an orbital route if you’re not going to give it the best possible chance to work properly!
Much of this area, (Costellos yard, Bus Eireann depot) is earmarked for redevelopment so this part of the orbital route could be incorporated, that only leaves Jackman park as an obstacle!
2 years ago permission was granted:04248
to remove existing floodlights and replace them with eight number 16 metre high floodlights, build a covered terrace along the north western side (Bus Eireann side) of the pitch, build a new stand to replace the existing stand on the south eastern side of the pitch (Carey’s Road side) and build toilets.Jackman Park,
Carey’s Road
LimerickThere has been no sign of work starting yet and I’d question whether the LDMC have the finances to bring Jackman Park up to standard, its a complete write-off at the moment! Personally I dont think this is the right location to develop a soccer stadium, surrounded as it is with housing and Colbert Station, there has been talk of return to the Markets field but given the problems with that particular venue in recent years, its probably unlikely! It would be great if the City Council showed some initiative and got together with Limerick 37 and the LDMC to finally provide a proper soccer facility for the city! The old racecourse at Greenpark would be an ideal location seen as there are already plans for various recreational facilities there, along with the proposed new greyhound stadium!
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