well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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i just think that development looks kinda silly really putting a huge landmark tower next to the clarion..i mean jesus at least put something next to it that puts it in porportion or put a few more towers that are of different sizes nearing it. In human terms it looks a 3 foot kid standing next to a 7 foot tall man .
A marina would be perfect right there behind the Clarion. Ted Russell docks right? Lets face it, Foynes Port ticks all the boxes. It’s much wider and much deeper therefore allowing for bigger, better and more shipping. It makes more sense in my opinion. Besides, it’s still Limerick, it’s not like Foynes is in Donegal now is it? The docks in Limerick City are as good as dead! There’s no point in talking about the old days. That time has long gone! Limerick has to move forward and get with the programme – big time!!! They could start the ball rolling by pulling their fucking fingers out!!!
Tuborg is absolutely right, the building they build there (that’s if? of course) won’t look anything like that tower in the render. It will probably look even worse.:( I can only imagine with their track record what “landmark” you do eventually end up with…???
But yeah, I can imagine a nice little busy marina with all kinds of small sail and motor boats sailing in and out and enjoying the Shannon:) And why not? Sounds good to me. Just as long as very fine attention and detail was paid to the design of apartment buildings right on the water there, then it could actually look quite amazing! That clock (can’t remember the name?) behind the Clarion could be removed, completely restored and then replaced when the development of “the marina” is complete.
How many Irish cities have a marina right in the very heart of their city?
unfortunatley things move slow in ireland very slowly so the chances of this happening soon isn’t likely not until they finnish the tunnel anyway.
The docklands in limerick is a disgrace to be honest they need to knock that whole area down its like you drive through it at night and its like a step back in time to the 1920’s or something then you hit the clarion and riverpoint and you thinking ok what just happened… they really need to ge their act together and get rid of it….and exactly people need to get over the past i mean whats there thats ever gonna contribute anything to the irish ecomony irish steel? gimme a break maybe if this was the year 1980..
Georgian buildings in grave danger -1bn remedy sought (Limerick Post)
IN stark contrast to the whirr of ongoing development in the city centre and on the riverfront, the future of some 500 Georgian houses in Limerick is under threat, unless a concerted drive is set in motion to conserve this valuable heritage asset.
A conference, hosted by the Irish Georgian Society in association with Limerick City Council, explored the challenge presented in regenerating Limerick’s Georgian quarter, which has suffered under-investment and neglect, including dilapidated and sub-divided buildings and planning constraints.
The conference highlighted the need to urgently establish an action strategy.
Architect who did the city some service
Jim Barrett is retiring as Dublin City Architect on June 15th, having made a major contribution to the capital, writes Frank McDonald , Environment Editor
THOSE achievements have been substantial. Projects he was involved in as a “mover and shaker” include the Liffey Boardwalk, the Spire in O’Connell Street, the restoration of City Hall, the remaking of Smithfield, the Millennium footbridge and the James Joyce bridge at Blackhall Place, among other interventions.
Jim Barrett had made his name in Limerick, of course. And it is largely due to his 20-year-old vision of turning the city around to face the Shannon that the riverside is now peppered with apartments, offices, restaurants, pubs and shops as well as two high-rise buildings – the Clarion hotel and Riverpoint office block.
Having being credited with turning Limerick city to face the river before going to the Capital. Would Jim Barrett not be a suitable candidate to oversee this mammoth heritage project?
Is it correct that an average of €2m per building needs to be spent?
why would anybody want to knock down that beautiful silo thingie? it’s the greatest building in limerick. Not to mention the bannatyne mills building which is a protected structure.
@PVC King wrote:
Is it correct that an average of €] needs to be spent?
€ 1,000 million / 500 houses = € 2 million. Yes that’s correct! Full marks PVC King! 😀
To quote Dick Tobin (Link)
Dick Tobin, senior planner with Limerick City Council, revealed there are 500 Georgian houses in the city that may not have a long future, due to very shaky foundations.
“It would take approximately one billion euro to restore these buildings. We would be looking for over 400million euro from the Government – but authenticity is valuable.
“The challenge is how to make these buildings useable. Parking is a big problem, but frequently there are big garden areas to the rear of the buildings which could be used for parking and exterior lifts could also be an option”.
Seriously though PVC King, no exact details were given as to how they arrived at these figures. Do they plan to acquire these buildings first and then conserve them to the standard of No. 2 Pery Square above? (See post 1233 above) Build underground car parking under the rear gardens? Installing exterior lifts?
Below an example of Georgian buildings disappearing over the years. They were replaced by Cahill May Roberts Pharmacists warehouse (Bank Place) probably in the 1960’s.
You really would have to question whether the will is there to go ahead with such a massive conservation effort, where is the money going to come from?, certainly the private sector arent going to get involved to a large extent. Only lately we’ve seen the opera centre project grind to a halt because it seems the developers cudnt be bothered stumping up the cash to repair a couple of georgian buildings on the site, it looks like the new consortium dont have much of an interest either, the other week Limerick senior planner Dick Tobin basically said that the georgian buildings on the Ellen Street side should be sacrified to accomodate the development!:rolleyes: The opera centre is needed but there is no reason why the buildings cant be saved.
Limerick has a horrible record when it comes to conserving its heritage, the attitude always seems to be “ah sure theres plenty more left!” O Connell Street used to be one of the most complete georgian streets in the country, now its full of plastic boxes from the 1960s and 70s!:(
If it wasnt for the Limerick civic trust, the city would be in a lot worse shape, If right was right, they would be in charge of all conservation projects in Limerick. Earlier this year part of the rear of 1 Pery Square collapsed while a private developer was carrying out works to convert it into a new boutique hotel, work only resumed after a full investigation was carried out!
@CologneMike wrote:
Below an example of Georgian buildings disappearing over the years. They were replaced by Cahill May Roberts Pharmacists warehouse (Bank Place) probably in the 1960’s.
Its basically a case of how many examples can you think of! Below is a shot of O Connell Street from the early 1950s, a large portion of the left hand side of the street was demolished in the 1970s for the construction of the Bank of Ireland offices.
The 2nd image shows the AIB and George hotel, a georgian terrace stood on this site until the 60s when these dinosaurs were built, it kind of says it all really!
(Photo from LimerickBlogger)
Technically nothing to do with the Fitzgerald report, LCC has had its own demolition programme for condemned council property in operation since the beginning of the year. Still no harm to see a start being made!
IN WITH THE NEW AS CITY CHANGES FOR THE BETTER – By DAVID HURLEY
BULLDOZERS moved into Delmege Park in Moyross last Thursday morning to knock a block of houses which will facilitate regeneration plans for the area, as recommended in the John Fitzgerald report. The five houses were the first to be knocked in Moyross as part of a demolition programme which has been under way across the city since January.
Limerick City Council say a total of 87 houses will have been knocked by the end of July. To date 45 houses have been demolished in O’Malley Park, Ballynanty, Carey’s Road and in Keyes Park.
“We have known this regeneration programme has been coming for some time and we are simply trying to prepare the way for it where there is a possibility of clearing blocks of houses and demolishing them,” said the director of housing with Limerick City Council, Kieran Lehane.
Mr Lehane added: “I’m heartily sickened at constantly seeing photographs and video footage in the national media of houses with bits missing off them. I know those things exist but there are also very nice parts in places such as Moyross and O’Malley Park.”
The newly appointed chief executive of the two Government-backed regeneration companies, Brendan Kenny, said: “If houses are burnt out or derelict then you are better off without them and I would welcome the moves being made, especially in anticipation of the work that will be done by the regeneration companies.”
Local residents in Moyross also welcomed the knocking of numbers 100 to 104 in Delmege Park. Pineview Garden’s Resident Tina O’Gorman said: “We are delighted, those houses were only burnt out anyway so it good to see them go.” Lorraine Troy, from Craeval Park, added: “It is great that they are gone, as long as they put something there and they don’t leave it as waste ground. We need a new park in Moyross because the one that’s there is not big enough for all the kids.”
Other residents said they welcomed the knocking of the five houses but added they had “doubts” it would have any effect.
Mr Lehane also confirmed that some of the houses included in the demolition programme had been privately owned. “If the opportunity presents itself to clear a block of houses we will facilitate people who wish to leave the estate by way of transfer. We did buy back some of the houses and we have had to enter negotiations with tenants as well,” he said.
It is understood no that development works will be carried out on the vacant sites until the regeneration companies are up and running and there has been consultation with the community.
Limerick Leader 02 June 2007
Former Grand Central Cinema Site (Bedford Row)
Building updates courtesy of Billy the Squid see link
River Point
Nearly all the scaffolds are down at the River Point second phase.
The apartments sure command fine views of the Shannon.
More building updates again see Billy’s blog
If the old ESB building and the Garda Station on Henry St have a job done on them, the Riverside will be a different place! The old ESB seems to be totally vacant now. Any rumours of plans?
i assume you’re talking about the far side of the river in the photo of the view from Riverpoint?
The city centre is one side of the river, the other side is mainly residential except for the Hitlon Hotel.
The construction on that side is an apartment complex beside the hotel@Maskhadov wrote:
houses in a city center ? what a joke
Semi-detached at that, even priory park on Clancy Strand boasts a bungalow skyline! Whereas in the outskirts of the city (Annacotty), seven kilometres away there are apartments built on the banks of the Mulcair river (Shannon tributary). Though as Vkid points out the commercial city centre is on the right side and on the left it’s residential. See post second image.
Needless to say low density building is no longer environmentally sustainable in Ireland and a waste of scarce resources near city centre cores. Speaking of low population density building, well nearby the Bishop’s house has come onto the market with it’s 6.4 acre backyard. It would be an even bigger joke if they are speculating that Aidan Brookes might buy it for private use (i.e. space to graze the children’s Shetland pony).:rolleyes: Though anyone who plans to build a sensible density apartment development here will run into hefty opposition by the NCR residents (hiring of a helicopter to control the Ardhu House redevelopment).
€20m price tag for Bishop’s home (Irish Times) Kathryn Hayes
The former home of the Bishop of Limerick Dr Donal Murray has been put on the market with an estimated price tag of €20 million. The Georgian residence situated on a 6.4 acre site went on sale yesterday, with tenders to be opened early next month.
Located on the North Circular Road, one of Limerick’s most sought after address, “Kylemore” is for sale in three separate lots. Lot 1 is the house on one acre with a guide price of €5 million plus]refurbishment of St John’s Cathedral[/B].
One of the obvious favourites to purchase Kylemore, according to local speculation, is millionaire property developer Aidan Brookes whose family home adjoins the Georgian residence.
Colonge Mike, give me a call next time you’re in Limerick and I’ll take you for a drive to rush hour traffic outside the Bishop’s House. There is no way the NCR in it’s current state can support major building at that point. As it stands there’s 5 schools feeding on that road, not to mention the residental and throughway traffic.
@justnotbothered wrote:
Colonge Mike, give me a call next time you’re in Limerick and I’ll take you for a drive to rush hour traffic outside the Bishop’s House. There is no way the NCR in it’s current state can support major building at that point. As it stands there’s 5 schools feeding on that road, not to mention the residental and throughway traffic.
Quite the contrary, the 6.4 acre Bishops House site would be ideal for a family orientated apartment complex with under ground car parking and mature landscaped gardens.
The Obvious advantages for building apartments here
(1) Living and schooling locally.
Three schools right next door i.e. 100 – 200 metre walking distance. That means people living locally would have first preference to the local schools and not the reality of having a majority of pupils travelling per car from outside the catchment area. For example I see Chieftains have plans for 200 homes in Clonconnane (behind Coonagh Shopping Centre) five kilometres from the city centre. I wonder how many parents from there will shuttle their kids per car to the Ard Scoil Ris / Salesians?
(2) Working in the city centre.
The River Point for example is only 1 kilometre walking distance away. Walking would be hands down quicker than driving! The city needs family friendly apartments. To date developers have constructed apartments mainly for childless couples, singles or students. This site would be an excellent opportunity to build on such mature parkland grounds.
The chaotic traffic congestion around all city schools is very much the same. Maybe the school yards should introduce a drive-thru-system :rolleyes: like McDonalds McDrive with one entrance, then splitting into ten assembly lanes and merging back together to exit.
If you want to discuss decent tailbacks then collect me out in Annacotty ]and[/B] by the time we are in town (via Dublin or Ballysimon road), I will guarantee you that the alternative of strolling from the NCR into the city centre is a much better option.
@vkid wrote:
If the old ESB building and the Garda Station on Henry St have a job done on them, the Riverside will be a different place! The old ESB seems to be totally vacant now. Any rumours of plans?
Damn right! I’m assuming you’re talking about a wrecking ball, right?;)
That second phase of RiverPoint looks really good! Now how often can you say that about a development in the city centre eh? The apartments sure do have a fine view over the Shannon alright, very attractive indeed, but they really need to do something with all that red (brown?) crap to the buildings right, and rear! It looks absolutely appalling!:eek: This will of course no doubt impair…even disfigure the overall demeanour of the building for some people. What a fine backdrop eh?:rolleyes:
Anybody have any info about the apartments in the phase two building? Number of bedrooms, price estimates, etc. Are there any apartments in the tower itself? Or is this building entirely just office space?
While that sounds great in theory Mike, the reality as you know and I know would be very different. Look at the number of cars that are disgorged from the small fernbank housing estate every morning, sadly, proximity to the city centre doesn’t seem to mean that irish people will actually walk anywhere, or perhaps, that too few people are actually left working in the city centre.
On the point of Annacotty, surely the biggest crisis there is the cars coming in from Nenagh, Newport and Castleconnell, commuter rail is an absolute must along that line imo, as well as the long planned north bypass of the city.
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