well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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@PoxyShamrock wrote:
It’s in the Granary Building on Michael Street/Bank Place. Facing the Locke Bar and the Abbey River.
Thanks again PoxyShamrock. Appreciate it. You wouldn’t happen to know who owns/runs the place do ya?
God that bypass cant be open soon enough. Took a full hour for the bus to get through Limerick last night 🙁
@Tuborg wrote:
The whole opera centre saga is quickly developing into a shambles! Of course this article is highly speculative, however if indeed a new application was submitted it would set the project back by at least a year, allowing the likes of Parkway valley and Coonagh cross to steal a march on it. At this rate the city centre will again lose out to suburban developments with the opera centre ending up with second rate retailers.:(
The quote from Dick Tobin is extremely puzzling and worrying aswell. It makes no sense and the part about the henry cecil is inaccurate, the henry cecil wasnt a georgian buiding, it was a stone warehouse! Reading between the lines here, you would have to wonder was the retention of the buildings on Ellen Street a sticking point for the previous developers? and is he suggesting that the project would be more appealing to prospective developers if this condition was removed?:mad:
(Re the Opera Centre) Dear God,here we go again! getting the mushroom treatment, “feed us all bullshit and keep us all in the dark” Can’t imagine this would happen anywhere else in Ireland – who’s winning out,?love to know! can’t help t:rolleyes: hinking there is another agenda- I guess there is! Lwr Patrick St already looks like a goast town, who paid who to move, I wonder!!l, or does anyone really care!!!!
Passing through Limerick today I noticed that one of the Georgian buildings on Catherines Street (I think) not only had plaster falling off the side but had visible holes in the wall – ie: bricks missing. Plus there were huge subsidence cracks in the front of it.
Limerick Racecourse 353 homes plan gets OK (Irish Independent)
By Donal Buckley Friday May 25 2007
THE Limerick Racecourse Co has got the green light for 353 new homes on the edge of the city at the site of the former racecourse, following the withdrawal of appeals.
Worth about €100m when it is developed, the new project will consist of 157 apartments, 54 semi-detached houses, 70 detached houses, 43 terraced houses and 29 duplex units. A neighbourhood centre will accommodate a creche, shop, coffee shop, as well as a doctor/dentist office.
Located at Greenpark, about 2 kms on the south side of the city centre, off the Dock Road and near Ballinacurra, the development will include a major recreation amenity area incorporating playing pitches, changing facilities, informal recreation areas, landscaped amenity areas, and extensive parking.
An Bord Pleanala
Full case details for 222799
Mixed use development comprising 196 no. houses and 157 no. apartments, neighbourhood centre, 725 no. parking spaces, access roads, landscaping and recreation amenity area.
Former Greenpark racecourse, Limerick.Lodged: 05/04/2007
Party 1: Limerick Racecourse Company PLC. ()
Party 2: Limerick Racecourse Company PLC. (Appellant) :confused:
EIS: No
Planning Authority: Limerick City Council
Ref: 05/14
Signed: Decision:
10/05/2007 Appeal withdrawn S.140(1)(a)Limerick City Council planning permission granted on 09/03/2007
An Bord Pleanala appeal lodged on 05/04/2007
An Bord Pleanala appeal withdrawn on 10/05/2007See previous posts: 1071 , 1073 , 1078
Below a aerial image of the Courtbrack Avenue side of the former Greenpark Racecourse.
Highrise View From Barrington’s Pier.
The Riverpoint and the Clarion buildings together are probably the most prominent symbols of the riverside regeneration to date. Two other highrise buildings can also be seen in the background i.e. the spire of St. John’s Cathedral and that telecommunications pylon on Roches Street. The latter would be no loss to the city’s skyline! To the left of the Riverpoint are two potential sites for redevelopment the E.S.B. and the Henry Street Garda Station. I could not see them been developed above eight storeys as they would be out line with the rest of the city quays skyline. To the right of the Clarion, we will probably see one or two more highrises been developed if the Ted Russel Docks gets the green light to rezone.
See previous posts 684 and 754
Original images courtesy of TOF2006
What the hell is that on the ground to the right of the Clarion Hotel? Is that the city dump or something?
Anyway nothing to see here. More wasted opportunities….actually the two ‘highrise’ buildings look out of place. That pylon in the background, frankly, looks rediculous. In fact the whole image looks rediculous – God give me strength:mad:
@darkman wrote:
What the hell is that on the ground to the right of the Clarion Hotel? Is that the city dump or something?
Anyway nothing to see here. More wasted opportunities….actually the two ‘highrise’ buildings look out of place. That pylon in the background, frankly, looks rediculous. In fact the whole image looks rediculous – God give me strength:mad:
Ah now Darkman, you are not surely going to start another “Skyscraper†discussion on this thread? Didn’t your own thread “The failure of Ireland†deal with the highrise issue thoroughly enough? Are you suffering from some sort of highrise phobia? Or are you having withdrawal symptoms, as I thought most Dubs were quite happy to see those Ballymun towers being pulled down in the very north of Dublin? Do you miss them?
Yeah, that “ridiculous†telecommunication pylon is owned by Telecom Éireann, whose headquarters incidentally is based in Dublin. They would be more than welcome to take it back to there and plank it on top of their own headquarters!
You would be forgiven for mistaking that brown heap of scrap metals on the right of the Clarion for the city’s dump! Alas this area is part of the floating docks, thus until this docklands area gets rezoned, Hegarty Metals can export from here what he likes. Though I would not mind owning that eyesore pile of scrap myself with the price of steel on the world market these days.]people like[/B] the Riverpoint / Clarion, some people don’t. It’s a matter of taste I suppose, but ridiculous they are not.
@Tuborg wrote:
The whole opera centre saga is quickly developing into a shambles! Of course this article is highly speculative, however if indeed a new application was submitted it would set the project back by at least a year, allowing the likes of Parkway valley and Coonagh cross to steal a march on it. At this rate the city centre will again lose out to suburban developments with the opera centre ending up with second rate retailers.:(
The quote from Dick Tobin is extremely puzzling and worrying aswell. It makes no sense and the part about the henry cecil is inaccurate, the henry cecil wasnt a georgian buiding, it was a stone warehouse! Reading between the lines here, you would have to wonder was the retention of the buildings on Ellen Street a sticking point for the previous developers? and is he suggesting that the project would be more appealing to prospective developers if this condition was removed?:mad:
Has there been any kind of activity from this Dublin consortium yet? Well, from my own personal experience of Dublin developers I wouldn’t hold my breath! I’ve always found them to be quite inept and routinely incompetent. Just take a good look around Dublin and you’ll see what I mean. I never use Dublin firms.
If a new application has to be submitted and this Opera Centre is set back by even one year then that could potentially be disastrous for Limerick City centre!:( What with soooo many new shopping centres springing up in the suburbs the Opera Centre will end up just another empty shell full of the same old dreary retailers that you’ve already got too much of… Sad thought:(
Rather than just hang around Marks & Spencer (if they come to Limerick of course?) and other quality department stores will simply relocate outside the city centre. And that will be yet another blow to the city:( The city badly needs quality department stores for quality shopping! Enough of all the goddamn junk!!!:mad:
@darkman wrote:
What the hell is that on the ground to the right of the Clarion Hotel? Is that the city dump or something?
Anyway nothing to see here. More wasted opportunities….actually the two ‘highrise’ buildings look out of place. That pylon in the background, frankly, looks rediculous. In fact the whole image looks rediculous – God give me strength:mad:
To say the “whole image” looks ridiculous is completely irrational. Farcical to say the least:p Where do you live bud – in a fucking cave? Ummm….you may have a point about the Clarion though, it does seem to be oddly placed…but apart from that it certainly is not a ridiculous building. It’s a top quality hotel! I’ve had many friends from all over Europe recommend a stay at the Clarion Hotel so I suggest you spend a few days there and you’ll see what I mean.
As for Riverpoint…well, that fits right in there on the waterfront just perfectly. It does have a nice footprint there for sure:) You can’t say that the Riverpoint building doesn’t have a commanding presence over that immediate area now can you? At least you should give credit to Michael Daly for at least having the bollocks, the ambition and the courage to build something like this in the first place! It’s different from everything else, it does stand out from every vantage point so for these reasons alone it does work! Perfect? No. Aspiring? Certainly. Purposeful? Who the hell knows? But these buildings do make a big statement i.e. raised the fucking bar for bigger and better buildings that will and are coming!
But what is the mark of a truly great building? That it blends into its surroundings? That it stands out from all the rest? What is it supposed to say to us? I believe the answer to this is something personal for all of us.
That pylon… well you can take that and stick it right in the middle of Grafton Street for all I care. Of course it stinks!:mad: Only a fucking MORON would put something like that right next to O’Connell st:mad:
Missed opportunities?:( The Riverpoint Complex should have been at least five to seven storeys taller:( the Hilton Hotel and apartment complex should have been at least five storeys taller:( and someone needs to put a fucking bomb:mad:under Dunnes Stores on Sarsfield Street so that that entire waterfront area can be properly developed. Another highrise complex here similar to Riverpoint would be ideal. That would kinda balance things out along the river.
@Paris Jack wrote:
To say the “whole image” looks ridiculous is completely irrational. Farcical to say the least:p Where do you live bud – in a fucking cave? Ummm….you may have a point about the Clarion though, it does seem to be oddly placed…but apart from that it certainly is not a ridiculous building. It’s a top quality hotel! I’ve had many friends from all over Europe recommend a stay at the Clarion Hotel so I suggest you spend a few days there and you’ll see what I mean.
As for Riverpoint…well, that fits right in there on the waterfront just perfectly. It does have a nice footprint there for sure:) You can’t say that the Riverpoint building doesn’t have a commanding presence over that immediate area now can you? At least you should give credit to Michael Daly for at least having the bollocks, the ambition and the courage to build something like this in the first place! It’s different from everything else, it does stand out from every vantage point so for these reasons alone it does work! Perfect? No. Aspiring? Certainly. Purposeful? Who the hell knows? But these buildings do make a big statement i.e. raised the fucking bar for bigger and better buildings that will and are coming!
But what is the mark of a truly great building? That it blends into its surroundings? That it stands out from all the rest? What is it supposed to say to us? I believe the answer to this is something personal for all of us.
That pylon… well you can take that and stick it right in the middle of Grafton Street for all I care. Of course it stinks!:mad: Only a fucking MORON would put something like that right next to O’Connell st:mad:
Missed opportunities?:( The Riverpoint Complex should have been at least five to seven storeys taller:( the Hilton Hotel and apartment complex should have been at least five storeys taller:( and someone needs to put a fucking bomb:mad:under Dunnes Stores on Sarsfield Street so that that entire waterfront area can be properly developed. Another highrise complex here similar to Riverpoint would be ideal. That would kinda balance things out along the river.
Riverpoint looks very well……thats true but the Clarion….Im not sure maybe its the ‘scrap metal’;) beside it…..and yes the pylon looks very bad tbh. Should get rid of that ASAP.
P.S Whats with using bod on certain letters in posts on this thread:confused:
Georgian buildings in grave danger -1bn remedy sought (Limerick Post)
Dick Tobin, senior planner with Limerick City Council
“The challenge is how to make these buildings useable. Parking is a big problem, but frequently there are big garden areas to the rear of the buildings which could be used for parkingâ€.
Denis Leonard, director of Limerick Civic Trust.
Detailed how the Trust had acquired, and gradually restored, the Bishop’s Palace and the Georgian House at 2, Pery Square, and the meticulous work involved in restoring plasterwork, marbelling, a fireplace, the roof and the installation of under-floor heating.
“Admittedly, a lot of work is involved but it can be done”
No 2 Pery Square
The recent restoration of no. 2 Pery Square by Thompson’s Architects / Limerick Civic Trust really sets the mark on how ideally all Georgian buildings should be restored. Realistically I could not imagine a developer or landlord investing extra money into restoration and at the same time expect a higher return to cover their investment? Maybe a Heritage Tax incentive might be the best instrument to tackle this mammoth project?
If Dick Tobin thinks that parking is a big problem then build multi-storey car parks near the Georgian districts. It would be a better solution than converting the garden areas to the rear of the buildings into car parks.
By the way, will the restoration of No. 4 Patrick Street (Catherine Hayes project) go ahead as planned, especially after the original backer of the Opera Centre has off loaded the proposed development onto other investors?
Images courtesy Thompson’s Architects
darkman wrote:Riverpoint looks very well……thats true but the Clarion….Im not sure maybe its the ‘scrap metal’]Hey darkman, make me a good offer on that scrap metal and it’s all yours;) What do you say? I’ll even throw in that pylon for ya – FREE of charge! And we’ll say no more about it;)
the city scrap metal yard in limerick that picture is very misleading you can’t really see it at ground level but i do wonder what the people in the clarion see after like a business like meeting or tourists coming from abroad hey shall we go o the window and sample the view ? what the??
They are going to redevelop that side of the city anyway and yeah the whole radio pylon thing stupid but again the picture is misleading that pylon is far away from both buildings but they need to tear it down another stupid idea of planners back in the 70’s i know lets put a radio plyon in the middle of the city…yah yah good idea
@tfarmer wrote:
the city scrap metal yard in limerick that picture is very misleading you can’t really see it at ground level but i do wonder what the people in the clarion see after like a business like meeting or tourists coming from abroad hey shall we go o the window and sample the view ? what the??
They are going to redevelop that side of the city anyway and yeah the whole radio pylon thing stupid but again the picture is misleading that pylon is far away from both buildings but they need to tear it down another stupid idea of planners back in the 70’s i know lets put a radio plyon in the middle of the city…yah yah good idea
You’ve hit the nail right on the head here mate. The mind boggles as to what tourists from all over the world are thinking looking out of those back (front?) windows?:o The building itself is just fine…but that area of docklands behind it is a disgrace! Embarrassing or what???:( It’s all great the locals lookin’ at it…but what about the tourists? Business people and visitors from other parts of Ireland? GOOD GOD:eek:comes to mind! The worrying part is that they don’t even see it:mad: And they don’t seem to care either.
I don’t give a fiddlers what that is, the bottom line here is that it should not look like that! You’d think they would have at least cleared that whole area once/during the hotel was being built/completed, right? But nooooo, lets just leave it there and make Limerick an even bigger laughing stock than it already is:mad: It just beggars belief that they can actually get away with that:confused: They should be ashamed of themselves!
Oh this is just the tip of the mountain! And what can you say that already hasn’t been said about that now infamous pylon? Don’t even get me started on that one:mad:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. CLOWNS!
“Hegarty’s Croc Of Gold” View From Docks (Westend)
The first image is a better perspective of one of Limerick’s major attractions “The Scrap Heap”. Alas if the port authority has it’s way it will move all it’s shipping downriver to Foynes, thus robbing us of something to be amazed about! :rolleyes: The second image is a sales pitch by the Shannon Foynes Port Company of what the docks would look like if rezoned but obviously enough Mr. Hegarty won’t be having any of it! Third image shows area of the docklands.
Any new developments from the Townhall?
Clarion Hotel Reception Desk
Darkmann / Paris Jack / tfarmer don’t forget to ask for
Image courtesy aposnn and Shannon Foynes Port Company
@THE_Chris wrote:
I like the big proposed tower in the 2nd pic. Its original.
Whatever “landmark” tower they end up building on that site isnt going to look anything like what you see in the promo, its a bit too crazy looking for our mediocre building standards in Ireland. The image was only released to get people excited about the docklands development, the reality is somewhat different though. The whole process is locked in a stalemate with the Limerick port users group at war with Shannon Foynes Port Company. Apparently seen as the SFPC are a state owned company any proposed sale or closure of the docks would need government approval. I can see this one dragging on for quite some time!
Report on future of docklands to be published– By CLODAGH O’LEARYAN interim report from the Limerick Docklands Consultative Forum Steering Committee into the future of docks will be published next week, the Limerick Chronicle can reveal.
The committee which is chaired by Tom Kirby of the Mid-Western Regional Authority and includes Limerick City and County Councillors, Limerick City and County Managers, representatives from the Port Users, Shannon Foynes Port Company and Shannon Development have been working for the last 12 months on proposals on how best to develop the docklands.At yesterday’s City Council meeting, Mayor Joe Leddin a member of the committee, revealed that they were “very close” to publishing an interim report.
The Chronicle can now reveal that the document will be made available on Thursday June 7 next.
But not everyone was convinced of the progress.Cllr Kiely told members he heard “signals” from bodies involved in the committee that “they want to sell off the docklands, without giving any consideration to us. That committee is a sham, if that is the case,” he claimed.
“The sooner ye scrap it, the better. Ye want the money to go to Foynes, that is plain and simple,” the irate Fine Gael Councillor said.
Mayor Joe Leddin, a member of the Steering Committee disputed Cllr Kiely’s claims.
“It is progressing well and councillors will come back to City Council to report on it. I fully accept that we must retain a working port, but there seems to be some misinformation out there and I would like to clarify that these rumours are not true.”
Cllr Kiely, jumping to his feet, referred to legal matters currently ongoing at Shannon Foynes Port Company. “We are being kept in the dark about what is going on there. It is taxpayers’ money we are dealing with,” he said.
Mayor Leddin told Cllr Kiely to sit down: “That is nothing to do with the forum” to which Cllr Kiely replied: “Of course it has.”
Acting chairman of Shannon Foynes Port Company, Cllr Kieran O’Hanlon called for the councillors to keep an open mind until the publication of the report.
“There is no inquiry going on, there are a number of legal issues. Mayor Leddin is perfectly right, it is not our policy to sell the docks, or to the close down the docks. We agreed to set up a committee who would produce a report and at the end of the day we will consider that report. We must keep our minds open until we see that report,” he said.
Mayor Leddin said that ultimately the City Council would not have a say in the future of the docklands, he said that the Shannon Foynes Port Company’s responsibility was to develop the docks how best they see fit, but he said there was no reason for panic.
“I do not think that after working with them for the last 12 months that they will turn around and put up a for sale sign over the docks. I do not see that happening,” Mayor Leddin said.
Limerick Chronicle 29 May 2007
Does anyone think that that “landmark” tower in the render looks like a handbag? I’m not kidding here folks. Seriously. And doesn’t the Clarion look like a cigarette lighter? Hummm….and does the Riverpoint look like a tube of lipstick all of a sudden? Maybe I’m losin’ my marbles but am I missing something here?:confused:
Are we gonna get the entire set…or what?:confused:
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