well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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@tomk wrote:
Just looking at the middle photo above c1964 referring to old Cannocks building. It appears that the area north of Patrick Street is water. Am I getting my bearings confused or is that not where the tourist office and a little park now stands? I’m assuming land was obviously reclaimed since 1964 to facilitate this. Any ideas when this land was reclaimed?
This area was initially filled in with rubble and the like around the early 1970s to form a large car park. A more permanent use for the site was found in 1988 with the construction of a river wall and the opening of a new park & tourist centre designed by Murray o Laoire which formed part of the overall Arthurs Quay SC scheme. Theres every chance the area will be up for re-development again in the near future.
Cheers, I actuall remember that carpark as we used to park there when went to Limerick as kids to visit Santa in Todds!! I also remember the hoarding around the Arthurs Quay contruction site when that shopping centre was being built – it had 100s of faces drawn all along the hoardings. It was quiet unusual and interesting.
There was a spectacular amount of dereliction in Limerick around the mid 60s, nowhere more so than the Aurthurs Quay area, thankfully that era seems like a million years ago now!:)
Image 1. 1960s Aerial of the Aurthurs Quay area
2. Patrick Street, long before Aurthurs Quay SC.
@Tuborg wrote:
There was a spectacular amount of dereliction in Limerick around the mid 60s, nowhere more so than the Aurthurs Quay area, thankfully that era seems like a million years ago now!:)
2. Patrick Street, long before Aurthurs Quay SC.
Any idea of what year this picture of Patrick Street was taken Tuborg? Real nice pic though.:)
Work starts on €120m shopping centre in Limerick
Retail Sector Parkway Valley shopping centre will have a lettable floor area of around 23,225sq m (250,000sq ft) and there should be plenty of interest among the major multiples in its anchor store, writes Jack Fagan
Limerick city is to get yet another shopping centre. Dublin developer Liam Carroll has just begun site work for a substantial retail complex beside the Parkway Retail Park on the Dublin Road.Parkway Valley shopping centre will cost around €120 million to develop and will have a lettable floor area of around 23,225sq m (250,000sq ft). The site for the centre and the adjoining retail park originally formed part of the Dunloe Ewart portfolio acquired by Carroll several years ago. TK Maxx is the anchor in the retail park, a long line of units fronting on to the Dublin road.
Limerick City Council’s decision to grant permission for the new shopping centre surprised many, given the traffic congestion in the area and the fact that there are already two shopping centres in the immediate vicinity – the rundown Parkway centre off the roundabout and the stylish new Dunnes Stores on Children Road.
Dublin-based property developer Pat Doherty of Harcourt Developments was the surprise purchaser of the Parkway centre last year, paying €55 million for it.The company is currently preparing a blueprint for the redevelopment of the centre which also has a Dunnes Stores as an anchor. Apart from a total upgrade and more retail space, Harcourt is also likely to provide a hotel and apartments on the sprawling site.Bannon Commercial, letting agent for the proposed Parkway Valley shopping centre, is expected to pitch for a department store operator to anchor the complex.
Marks & Spencer, not yet represented in Limerick, is likely to be a prime target for the 9,290sq m (100,000sq ft) main store followed by Debenhams and House of Frazer.
Debenhams has already moved into the former Roches Stores in the city but its operation is greatly restricted by space limitations.
There will also be up to 45 other unit shops for letting.
@vkid wrote:
Also heard there could be movement of one of the largest retailers from their current site to the Opera Centre but that isn’t confirmed so wont mention who just yet. Would make a large site ripe for redevelopment though…
Debenhams has already moved into the former Roches Stores in the city but its operation is greatly restricted by space limitations. (see article above)
Was Debenhams originally the planned anchor tennant for the Opera Centre?
The author Jack Fagan is incorrect by stating that the Limerick City Council granted permission but in fact it was the Limerick County Council. See link
He is of course right to say that the decision to grant permission for the new shopping centre surprised many, given the traffic congestion 😡 in the area and the fact that there are already two shopping centres in the immediate vicinity – the rundown Parkway centre off the roundabout and the stylish new Dunnes Stores on Childers Road.
Just to add to developments on that side of town (from Todays indo below….) It really is getting a bit mad. I know there is a huge market out there with UL and associated villages and the vast amount of housing in Castletroy/Monaleen/Annacotty/Roxboro Road etc but the amount of development there is gone nuts. By the time all these developments are complete, the ring road and Tunnel will also be complete. This will surely have an effect on the traffic in this area. The Limerick – Nenagh section of the N7 is also underway is it not?
Debenhams wasnt the name I heard either Mike 😉 but wasnt there talk of that whole block including Liddy Street and Arthurs Quay being knocked for a major retail devlopment to compliment the Opera Centre located over the current Arthurs Quay park?. Apparently the retailers in those areas were on board as well??
Pub development site has cheque books flapping
PUB premises with development prospects are among the hottest items on the market today. So the sale of a top bar/restaurant on a key 11 acre site at Limerick’s busiest interesections looks sure to set cheque books flapping.The “ready to go” serviced site on the Dublin Road is bordered by the southern ring road and the R445 Limerick city feeder road. This is the most prominent and elevated site at the southern ring road intersection, forming the natural gateway to Limerick city with in excess of 31,000 vehicles passing every day.
The nationally renowned Finnegan’s Restaurant and Bar sits on a portion of the site and forms part of the private treaty sale through Savills Hamilton King’s Cork office.
The site offers tremendous development potential with unrestricted zoning under the current Limerick Co Council Development Plan. Potential uses may include retail, office, residential, or motorway services (akin to the British model) as sought by the NRA or business park.
Currently the site has the benefit of planning permission for a 101-bedroom hotel and business suites with profile along the Cork Killarney N20/N21 road, as well as a permission to extend Finnegan’s.
The site has extensive road frontage of 440m to the Adare/Annacotty bypass and approximately 240m to the Dublin Road.
It is for sale by private treaty, with the option of a company purchase – thus achieving significant tax savings. The existing Finnegan’s business sitting on 1.75 acres is valued at €7m with the remaining 9 acres of high profile development lands, including the hotel site valued at €2m per acre.
“This represents excellent value when one compares this trophy site with similar properties in Cork and Galway and the prices they have achieved,” said Peter O’Meara of Savills HOK.
@Paris Jack wrote:
Any idea of what year this picture of Patrick Street was taken Tuborg? Real nice pic though.:)
Id imagine sometime around the mid 50s as the street is basically still intact.
@CologneMike wrote:
Work starts on €120m shopping centre in Limerick
The company is currently preparing a blueprint for the redevelopment of the centre which also has a Dunnes Stores as an anchor. Apart from a total upgrade and more retail space, Harcourt is also likely to provide a hotel and apartments on the sprawling site.Bannon Commercial, letting agent for the proposed Parkway Valley shopping centre, is expected to pitch for a department store operator to anchor the complex.
Marks & Spencer, not yet represented in Limerick, is likely to be a prime target for the 9,290sq m (100,000sq ft) main store followed by Debenhams and House of Frazer.
In fairness it was always likely that a redevelopment of the parkway site was on the cards, apartments were always going to be a major part of any plan, probably a bit of a surprise though that the shopping centre is being kept on, is there really a need for it?, especially with the new complex just a couple of hundred yards down the road. There’s basically a new city centre cropping up around the parkway area.
Personally I think it would be a bit of a disaster if Marks & Spencer were to locate outside the city centre, I don’t really see what all the fuss is about when it comes to M&S but obviously lots of people do, they are a big draw and the kind of name that the city centre needs. Surely to god given the choice, they would pitch for a city centre location, although the Parkway scheme has been marketed for the last 2 years or so now and they could have the likes of M&S on board already! Work has started on the parkway scheme but it is a large and difficult site and I couldn’t see it being completed before the opera centre barring serious delays.
I think everyone is waiting for some movement on the Dunnes Stores site on Sarsfield street, you probably wouldn’t back against them taking one of the anchor units at the opera centre which would leave them with 4 stores in the city centre alone, surely that would be unsustainable. Time for them to do the decent thing and sell up their glorified portacabin.
I wouldn’t have a clue what the square footage of the Limerick store is, in comparison to the other former Roches Stores outlets but theres no doubt, it isn’t very suitable for modern retailing with its low ceilings etc. Disappointingly the interior of the store has hardly improved at all since Debenhams took it over.
I would love to see something truly great put where the Parkway is, a kind of welcome to Limerick statement of intent but undoubtedly we’ll get something 7 stories high, of mixed red brick and glass….
Tuborg wrote:Id imagine sometime around the mid 50s as the street is basically still intact.Cheers mate. Things sure have changed down that part of town, huh? Patrick Street almost looks unrecognisable in recent times… Are there any plans for the Arthurs Quay shopping centre once the Opera Centre starts groundbreaking? Maybe re-cladding the building might be a good idea?
I agree! I, too, also think if Marks & Spencer were to locate outside of the city centre it would be a big blow for sure. Limerick City centre badly needs some of the big names such as Marks & Spencer to operate in the heart of the city and not out in the burbs. The city needs quality department and retail stores at its core! If they want an exciting and vibrant city centre then they have to make this happen!
As for that Dunnes Stores on Sarsfield street… it just beggars belief that they can get away with something like that!!!:mad: 😡 😡 Unfuckingbelievable!!!:mad: 😡 😡 That has to be one of the ugliest buildings I have ever seen in my entire life!!!:( 🙁 🙁
Just thinking of the Parkway retail centre, didn’t there used to be a bar/restaurant/nightclub in that complex? If so, is it still there? Around to the side, from the main entrance, I think?
Oh, is it true there is no cinema in Limerick City centre? I was told this recently. How come? O’Connell Street would be a great location for a cinema. I mean, you need a cinema in the city centre for gods sake. You can’t expect people leisurely walking down the street in town who simply fancy going to see a movie there and then to have to drive or jump on a bus or get a taxi out to the burbs just to see a movie, right? That’s just sooo inconvenient and annoying!:mad: 😡 😡 Are there any plans for a cinema somewhere in the city centre? Ummm…. surely with all the development and construction going on they’ll find a nice spot for a decent cinema of at the very least ten screens? That would be nice.:D
@Paris Jack wrote:
Just thinking of the Parkway retail centre, didn’t there used to be a bar/restaurant/nightclub in that complex? If so, is it still there? Around to the side, from the main entrance, I think?
No, The Park Bar closed in late 2004.
Honestly though, when you think of it, a pub in a shopping centre. Only in Ireland.
@PoxyShamrock wrote:
No, The Park Bar closed in late 2004.
Honestly though, when you think of it, a pub in a shopping centre. Only in Ireland.
And that’s a goddamn fact my friend.:D
Building Shell
01261
Developer Gerard Madden
28/03/2002 Conditional
To construct a multistorey car park with 4 no. residential units at roof top level and 4 no. retail units at ground floor level with connection to public services and associated site works
Ellen Street, Punches Row, Carr Street, Limerick.
04600
11/10/2005 Conditional OBK Architects
Planning permission for RETENTION and completion of a mixed use development comprising of 6 storeys over basement to maximum height of 23.7m above grade comprising 34 no. underground car park spaces, 5 no. ground floor retail units totalling 916.8 sq.m, 43 no. 2-bed apartments and 3 no. 3 bed apartments on first to fifth floors with associated balconies, roof garden and associated site development works including connection to existing public sewer will be provided
Ellen Street, corner of Carr Street and Punch’s Row
Does this developer (01261, 04600) know what he wants? :confused: Has there been any movements on finishing this shell? When I was home last October the developer was instead building (00449) across the road on an old site surrounded by high walls embedded in the Watergate flats complex.
00449
25/04/2003 Conditional
Planning permission for 65 apartments, offices, car parking, associated common facilities, entrances, services and site works.
Carr Street,Limerick.
Image courtesy Motormouth
@CologneMike wrote:
Building Shell
Does this developer (01261, 04600) know what he wants? :confused: Has there been any movements on finishing this shell? When I was home last October the developer was instead building (00449) across the road on an old site surrounded by high walls embedded in the Watergate flats complex.
Image courtesy Motormouth
Good God how miserable is that?:eek:
Is this the work of a master builder, or what?:rolleyes:
@Paris Jack wrote:
And that’s a goddamn fact my friend.:D
Actually there are plenty of shopping centres in England with bars in them so it’s not that unusual.
@CologneMike wrote:
Building Shell
Does this developer (01261, 04600) know what he wants? :confused: Has there been any movements on finishing this shell? When I was home last October the developer was instead building (00449) across the road on an old site surrounded by high walls embedded in the Watergate flats complex.
Not having much success as a “developer” is Gerard Madden, back in 2004 he had plans for a mixed use development across the street from that shell you refer to!
P04/601
Planning permission for mixed-use development of 5 storeys over a two level basement comprising of 4 floors of offices totalling 6430m2, 7 no. ground floor shop units totalling 1235m2, a 56 bedroom budget hotel with reception area and 163 car parking spaces and associated site development works including connection to existing public sewer will be provided.
Site Address]Ellen Street/Robert Street, Limerick
Applicant: Gerard Madden
Unfortunately for him it got slaughtered by the planners!
Planning Assessment:
The applicant’s response to the request for clarification of further information is a request for a determination of the application. As outlined in the original report the application is seriously deficient in detail and in the absence of such details it is considered that the application would not be in accordance with the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.Recommendation:
I recommend that permission be refusedThe applicant has failed to demonstrate that the proposed development would not adversely impact on the adjacent protected structures and as such the proposed development would materially interfere with the setting of these building and therefore would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.
Having regard to the location of the proposed development adjacent to the architectural conservation area and 2 protected structures it is considered that having regard to the poor quality design and general scale and bulk of the building that it would adversely impact on the streetscape of the area and detract from the setting of the adjacent protected structures. The proposed development would therefore be contrary to the objective of high quality design in the city centre and as such would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.
The proposed development will adversely impact on the adjacent commercial buildings located on Little Ellen Street by reducing the level of nature light available. The proposed development would therefore depreciate the value of these properties and as a result would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.:o
The site in question is to the rear of St. Michaels church and literally across the street from the proposed opera centre, its currently used as a surface carpark. It could really do with redevelopment as that part of town has a real gloomy feel to it at the minute, of course any proposal would have to be an improvement on Mr Maddens fairly dismal effort.
The “shell” meanwhile has been idle for 2/3 years now with no sign of work restarting anytime soon, I think he should just pack it in at this stage.
Below is an image of the discussion area, unfortunately the site of the building skeleton is obscured but you can make out the site that was subject to the failed application just across the street.
@tradcentric wrote:
Actually there are plenty of shopping centres in England with bars in them so it’s not that unusual.
That’s absolutely true, of course, as there are many all over the world. Just some light-hearted banter is all mate. ~ ~ 😀 ~ ~
@Tuborg wrote:
Not having much success as a “developer” is Gerard Madden, back in 2004 he had plans for a mixed use development across the street from that shell you refer to!
Unfortunately for him it got slaughtered by the planners!
The ABC’s for Planning Permission
Maybe the developer should invest in a do-it-yourself manual like “Planning Applications for Dummies†He is really making a meal out of it! :rolleyes:
I think this piece just about sums it up!:)
The applicant’s response to the request for clarification of further information is a request for a determination of the application.
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