well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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Apologies for the size of the image but you get the general idea, its the area marked in light blue btw! As you can see its already quite a built up area!, Punches hotel opened last year and behind it is another large site that is currently up for sale and destined for future development. Surely its also only a matter of time before the former Texaco service station beside the hotel is snapped up!
Its not hard to see why this area suffers from serious gridlock either, with a number of junctions in close proximity!
The 2nd image is from a time when things were slightly quieter around Punch’s Cross! Taken from Limerick A stroll down memory lane, vol.5, courtesy of limerickblogger.org.
Defence Minister Willie O’Dea and Cllr Pat Kennedy, Independent, were among those who backed local opposition to the original plans on grounds it constituted overdevelopment in what they said was a largely residential area.
The only reason willie o dea took an interest in this is that one of the objectors is an employee of his. he would have gotten away with it too were it not for those pesky reporters at the leader.
L I M E R I C K C I T Y P U B L I C R E A L M S T R A T E G Y (O c t o b e r 2 0 0 6)
dv on Limerick city boards.ie has found a very interesting document at 🙂
Optional proposals for provision of pedestrian link around the base of the King John’s Castle.
Waterfront pedestrian link is important in this location to complete the circulatory City Riverside Walk between Merchant’s Quay and Thomond Bridge.
Essential for proposals to maintain the historical integrity of the Castle.
The new walkway should connect conveniently either end and be accessible for people with disabilities.
See also: https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=62565&postcount=1046
Would they not leave the castle alone? 😡 It’s about the only bit of medieval Limerick left (along with St. Mary’s Cathedral) with any sort of structural integrity. And no, that “medieval house” or pub or whatevet it is they built on the Island a few years ago doesn’t count. It’s bad enough that they ran bulldozers through it in the 50s but the newer “interpretative centre” is highly innappropriate and unsympathetic also in my opinion. Now they’re proposing to compromise the remaining decent view of the Castle (from Clancy’s Strand or Thomond gate) with a boardwalk? Maybe they should just get rid of the river wall altogether since it’s getting in the way of a proposed tourist route. :rolleyes: Let’s face it, the council have the opposite of the “midas” touch when it comes to the historical fabric of Limerick. I dread to think of the state St. Mary’s Cathedral would be in if it had been in the council’s hands for the last 50 years.
@jimg wrote:
Would they not leave the castle alone? 😡 It’s about the only bit of medieval Limerick left (along with St. Mary’s Cathedral) with any sort of structural integrity. And no, that “medieval house” or pub or whatevet it is they built on the Island a few years ago doesn’t count. It’s bad enough that they ran bulldozers through it in the 50s but the newer “interpretative centre” is highly innappropriate and unsympathetic also in my opinion. Now they’re proposing to compromise the remaining decent view of the Castle (from Clancy’s Strand or Thomond gate) with a boardwalk? Maybe they should just get rid of the river wall altogether since it’s getting in the way of a proposed tourist route. :rolleyes: Let’s face it, the council have the opposite of the “midas” touch when it comes to the historical fabric of Limerick. I dread to think of the state St. Mary’s Cathedral would be in if it had been in the council’s hands for the last 50 years.
I agree with a healthy level of suspucion and cynicism but the fact remains the river and the castle are neglected when it comes to tourist amenities, and we should commend the council for looking at ways to make them more open to tourists. Is the boardwalk the right way of doing so, or perhaps, what impact will the boardwalk have on the castle? King John’s Castle should be nationally famous and yet very few people outside Limerick would even know about it.
Also, I would like to see an intergrated plan for the medieval Island that remains, what is the future of Nicholas street, once the main street in Limerick, now one of the most run-down, and what steps are being taken to envcourage proper development?
Mike, I can’t share the plans for the Boat club and it was silly of me to mention I’d seen them.
@vkid wrote:
Interested to see the below was granted permission as well. Is this across the road from the demolition of Java’s, the taxi building and Moynihan Shoes on the corner of Thomas Street and Catherine Street or is it further up Catherine Street?. My previous post on demolition of Georgian buildings may have been premature.
Permission is sought for demolition of existing premises and construction of 3 no. retail units on ground and basement level with 16 no. apartments above on first, second, third and roof level and all ancillary site works
38-41 Catherine Street,
Limerick.38-41 Catherine Street is four blocks further up and is opposite the former Mid-Western Health Board.
There is a planning application in process for across the road from Java’s Café. See image, cream coloured building with the green canopy-awnings on the right.
Applications 077 and 07144 (due date 21/03/2007)
Thomond House,
72-73 Catherine Street,
Limerick.Permission for (1) Demolition of existing building with the exception of (A) the front facade to No. 73 which is to be retained and upgraded and (B) the vault storage areas under the public footpath/road area to be also retained. (2) The erection of 5-storey building over basement consisting of cafe/bar and storage unit at basement level, retail unit at ground floor level, 10 No. apartments on the upper 4 floors complete with communal roof garden. (3) Provision of new foul/storm drainage and watermain connections and associated site works.
You mention the demolition of Java’s, (See image, red building with red canopy-awning on the left) the taxi building and Moynihan Shoes which would mean a development covering 44-47 Thomas St. & 1-5 Catherine St. is in process? If so any details on to what is to be built available?
The image is the proposal for the pedestrianisation of Catherine Street / Thomas Street junction. Hell and chaos 😮 if all three projects are the developed here at the same time!
On the market are the buildings 34, 35 and 36 Catherine Street next door to the development at 38 – 41 Catherine Street.
Description:
34 Catherine Street comprises a two storey property which was formerly used for residential purposes in need of refurbishment / redevelopment, comprising approximately 252 sq. metres. There is a large yard area to the rear of 34 Catherine Street which is accessed directly from Catherine Street comprising approximately 260 sq. metres.
35 Catherine Street comprises an end of terrace 3 Storey Georgian Property in need of refurbishment, comprising approximately 263.91 sq. metres. A small yard is provided to the rear of 35 Catherine Street comprising 23.96 sq. metres
36 Catherine Street comprises a mid terrace 3 Storey Georgian Property in need of refurbishment, comprising approximately 261 sq. metres. A small yard is provided to the rear of 36 Catherine Street comprising 66.23 sq. metres.
See Power and Associates Auctioneers:
Incidentally a planning application for 34, 35 and 36 Catherine Street was appealed in 14/05/2004.
0317
Cara Housing Association
For the demolition of Nos 34,35 and 36 Catherine Street, and their garden out buildings and garage, and for the construction of a four storey transitional residential apartment building with communal offices, kitchen, diningroom and back-up care facilities.
Photo Billy the Squid
Cheers Mike. No major disappointment to see the Voodoo Rooms/High Stool gone which is a pretty big site. It’ll be interesting to see what happens the other section. It is now sale agreed As far as I know the house on that corner facing onto Mallow Street was also sold a year or so ago and remains empty. The plaster on the wall facing Catherine street is no crumbling away and the building looks in poor shape. Also Kind of curious to see what the plans are for the Java’s area (Java’s demoliton seems to have started) and also across the road where O’Riada’s bar is now but images are non-existant it seems.
Just saw this permission also granted. Very big site and development by the sounds of things. Since the racecourse has moved to Patricks well it has been a big green space doing nothing. I assume this is inside the city boundary?0514 The Limerick Race Company Plc.
Greenmount Park,
Patrickswell,
Co. Limerick.
Planning permission for development of mixed-use scheme at the former Greenpark Racecourse. The development includes a residential scheme which will consist of 353 residential units; consisting of 112 no. apartments, 17 no. maisonette apartments, 54 no. semi-detached units and 70 no. detached houses, 43 no. terraced houses, 29 no. duplex units and 28 no. apartments below duplex and playgrounds. The application also includes a neighbourhood centre incorporating; a creche, retail unit, coffee shop, doctor/dentist office. The application includes parking for approximately 725 vehicles at ground and basement level, ancillary site works, access roads and hard and soft landscaping. The application also includes the provision of a major recreation amentiy area incorporating playing pitches, changing facilities, informal recreation areas, landscaped amenity areas, ancillary parking (approx 100 vehicle spaces), a playground and hard and soft landscaping. An EIS applic. SEE ATTACHED SCHEDULE Former Greenpark
Racecourse
Limerick@vkid wrote:
Just saw this permission also granted. Very big site and development by the sounds of things. Since the racecourse has moved to Patricks well it has been a big green space doing nothing. I assume this is inside the city boundary?
(0514) It has taken two years to be granted planning permission. Access via Dock Road and South Circular Road, with the southern dual-carriageway not too far away.
I have seen this image below on the Cunnane Stratton Reynolds web site. Not much to go on!
http://www.csrlandplan.com/sh806x4962.html (Green Park)
Image # 1 Screenshot of planning map for Planning Application (0514)
Image # 2 Greenpark map taken from the Limerick Docklands Initiative (Murray O’Laoire)
I have heard recently in the media that there is talk of a shopping center and possibly a cinema being built in the area and would really appreciate any information available.
Thanks in advance.
@Irishjon25 wrote:
I have heard recently in the media that there is talk of a shopping center and possibly a cinema being built in the area and would really appreciate any information available.
Thanks in advance.
I remember reading of a major commercial shopping centre being proposed for the Green Park but in the planning application the proposal is for a neighbourhood centre. Practically with the nearby Cresent Shopping Centre and the future access to Coonagh Complex via the tunnel it would not have been sustainable to build another shopping there?
I also overseen a third proposed access road in the map above to the Green Park via Courtbrack Avenue. Though I have not ventured down there in years there would seem to be a number of apartment schemes being built there and they would complement the Green Park development. (See Attachment below) In my opinion good quality apartments with open recreation spaces is the proper use for such a large land bank within the present city boundary, instead of building acres and acres of semi-detached houses way out in Annacotty.
Alandale apartments: http://www.mcinerneyhomes.ie/munster/alandale.htm
Permission Granted for this..
30 Sloeberry Developments
C/O Healy & Partners Architects,
Barrow House,
Michael Street,
Permission is being sought for the following items: (1) The change of use of the former office accommodation in the Roche’s Hanging garden building to bar and restaurant use. (2) The change of use of the Mercantile building, fronting onto Henry Street from offices to retail/commercial use. (3) The insertion of a bar, restaurant and night-club at ground floor and mezzanine level. (4) The provision of new build office accommodation at 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th floor levels. (5) Reinstatement of the arched façade of the former Roche’s hanging gardens building. (6) The provision of basement parking, with access from Post Office Lane. (7) The provision of a new pedestrian link from Post Office Lane. (8) The demolition to three no. existing buildings on the site. (9) The provision of a sub-station and all associated site services on and under land. The proposed site lies within the curtillage of protected structures: (R.P.S. 306, GPO).Some serious amount of stuff underway or just about to start in Limerick at the minute…
Opera Centre – due to start
Coonagh Cross Shopping centre – underway
Ennis Road Retail Park underway
Marriot Development on Henry Street – underway
Bedford Row redvelopment – underway
Thomond Park underway
Riverpoint phase 2 undeway
Henry Street Development for Govt Department/fronting the Crescent – started
Boutique Hotel on Barrington Street – started
Limerick Private Hospital on Dock Road – started
Blackberry business Park on Dock Road – started
Greenpark Racecourse development
Aldi/8 Storey Hotel complex on Dublin Road, – started
Parkway Valley across the road – seems to be started
Roxboro Shopping Centre redevelopment – at planning
Hilton Devleopment and Strand Apartments – started nearing completion
Thomas St/Catherine Street (several developments underway or just about to start)
Pedestrianisation taking shape
and thats not to mention all the smaller little developments like the devlopment just beside the Brazen Head, Flannerys pub on Denmark Street, Apartment development across from St Munchins etc…William Street and Liddy Street need some attention fast though!!
I agree with a healthy level of suspucion and cynicism but the fact remains the river and the castle are neglected when it comes to tourist amenities, and we should commend the council for looking at ways to make them more open to tourists. Is the boardwalk the right way of doing so, or perhaps, what impact will the boardwalk have on the castle? King John’s Castle should be nationally famous and yet very few people outside Limerick would even know about it.
Sticking a “medieval looking” boardwalk along the one bit of the castle which probably hasn’t changed in over 800 years is not the way to improve the amenity value of the castle. “Medieval” and “boardwalk” are two words which should never appear near each other. That view of the castle has been a Limerick icon for hundreds of years; it has appeared in countless books, publications, logos, etc. F*cking with it amounts to a form of iconoclasm. Talk about familiarity breeding comtempt!
The reason tourists (and Limerick people generally) don’t visit that part of the city is not because the castle or river is in the way; it’s because there’s nothing (besides the castle) of interest on or around Nickolas Street. Addressing this issue – promoting attractions like restaurants, nice pubs or interesting shops – in the area without further damaging the fabric of the castle would be a far more worthwhile use of the council’s time.
jimg wrote:Sticking a “medieval looking” boardwalk along the one bit of the castle which probably hasn’t changed in over 800 years is not the way to improve the amenity value of the castle. “Medieval” and “boardwalk” are two words which should never appear near each other. That view of the castle has been a Limerick icon for hundreds of years]I agree to a large extent, but I’d still like to see definate plans for the boardwalk with dismissing it entirely. Afaik it’s proposed that there will be a boardwalk on both sides of the river for that stretch.
On Nicholas st, I really feel the Council should do what Galway’s council did 15 years ago wrt to Shop street and offer reduced or no rates to certain types of businesses willing to start there. Sure it’s a dive now, but with proper restoration and the right kind of pub/restaurant/shops it could be a whole new tourist area.
Rossbrien Interchange (Original Proposals)
The original proposals for the Rossbrien Interchange where the Dublin (N7), the Cork (N20), the Galway (N18) under construction and the link road towards the city centre meet have me bewildered, as seen in the image below. The shape of the junction would leave one to believe that certain traffic movements are not possible.
1. Travelling from Galway (N18) in direction of Rossbrien Interchange.
- Left turn off towards City centre (Link Road) is possible
- Straight on towards Dublin (N7) is possible
- Turn towards Cork (N20) is not possible
2. Travelling from City centre (Link Road) in direction of Rossbrien Interchange.
- Left turn off towards Dublin (N7) is possible
- Straight on towards Cork (N20) is possible
- Turn towards Galway (N18) per Loop is possible
3. Travelling from Dublin (N7) in direction of Rossbrien Interchange.
- Left turn off towards Cork (N20) is possible
- Straight on towards Galway (N18) is possible
- Turn towards City centre (Link Road) is not possible
4. Travelling from Cork (N20) in direction of Rossbrien Interchange.
- Left turn off towards Galway (N18) is possible
- Straight on towards City centre (Link Road) is possible
- Turn towards Dublin (N7) per Loop is possible
Mid West National Road Design Office
Tolling Documentation: February 2004
http://www.nra.ie/PublicPrivatePartnership/TollingDocumentation/file,780,en.PDF
Newsletter Autumn 2006
http://www.midwestroads.ie/LSSR2/Pdf/Limerick%20Tunnel%20PPP%20Autumn%2006%20Newsletter.pdf
Newsletter Spring 2007
http://www.midwestroads.ie/LSSR2/Pdf/Limerick%20Tunnel%20PPP%20Spring%2007%20Newsletter.pdf
Rossbrien Interchange (New Proposals)
Fears that traffic changes could isolate three estates (Limerick Post) 15.03.07
CONCERN that proposed changes to traffic flows on the Southern Ring Road, due to come into effect when the tunnel project is completed, will leave the communities of Southill, Rathbane and Roxboro cut off from the main road from main arteries, was conveyed to City Hall officials by Cllr Diarmuid Scully, this week.
The councillor said that if a plan to prohibit motorists’ access to the Childers Road from the Southern Ring Road at the former Krups exit goes ahead, it will mean that instead of Carew Park motorists being able to turn off at the exit 400 metres from their housing estate, they will instead have to do so at either the Dock Road or the Dublin Road and drive across the city to get home.
Making his points to the Transportation Committee, Cllr Scully said:
“This would have a severe negative impact on businesses in the area including the new Quality Hotel, one of whose principle selling points is the ease of access to the hotel from the Ring Road., but that access would be gone under these proposals.
“The LEDP, the Roxboro Shopping Centre and the Galvone Industrial Estate, will be similarly affected,” he said.
Stressing that the social impact of cutting off the Southill area from the Ring Road is a worrying concept, the councillor told director of services, Pat Dromey, that all of the regeneration plans for Southill had been predicated on attracting investment into the area by taking advantage of its excellent geographic location on the main access routes to Dublin, Cork and Galway.
“In cutting that access, we will be condemning Southill and nearby estates to decades of isolation and continued economic and social exclusion – we must see that the engineers take account of the communities living in the areas through which their roads pass”.
Conceding that while there may be sound engineering reasons for ending the access from the Southern Ring Road to the Childers Road, he said that the social arguments against this course of action far outweighs them.
In response, Mr Dromey said that City Council would not be adverse to re-examining the overall plans and said that a special meeting to further discuss the issue will be held.
New proposals where the link road to the city centre is to be omitted from the Rossbrien Interchange. Which in effect would turn it into a T-Shaped Junction. Traffic from Cork wishing to access the city centre will then have to travel first in the direction of Galway (Dock Road Interchange) or in the direction of Dublin (Ballysimon Interchange). I would imagine that the Quality Hotel will be taking legal action for being left cut off from it’s potential passing trade! After the Ballysimon Interchange mess I fear a potentially bigger mess is being made here.
Image from dave 123
Greenpark plan set to face appeal (Limerick Leader)
By ANNE SHERIDAN 15 March 2007
http://www.limericktoday.com/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=3419&ArticleID=2126441
RESIDENTS in Ballinacurra are to object to An Bord Pleanala against the new multimillion euro housing development at the site of the former racecourse at Greenpark. The 353-unit residential development by Mark McMahon, chairman of Limerick Race Company and managing director of McMahon Timber, has been granted planning permission from Limerick City Council, despite 43 objections.
Mayor of Limerick Cllr Joe Leddin told the Limerick Leader he was annoyed that the planning officers did not inform the ward councillors that the development, which has been in the pipeline since 1999, had been granted planning permission on March 9.
Cllr Pat Kennedy said he was “very concerned that there’s a proper and harmonious development at the former racecourse”. He added: “I would expect that any conditions attached to the application would be adhered to and we will be keeping a close eye on matters. We are very concerned that the amenities are well planned and recreational facilities are provided. I will be talking to the residents association in the coming days and whatever their views, I will be supportive of those.”
According to one city councillor who did not wish to be named, there will be an appeal to An Bord Pleanala by residents.
Further planning applications for the 125- acre site, of which 38 acres are owned by the city council, are also anticipated. “We have already turned down a pre-application for a shopping centre. There has been a lot of too-ing and fro-ing over this development but it’s inevitable that something is going to be developed there because it’s one of the largest green sites in the city,” said Cllr Jim Long. Cllr Maria Byrne and Cllr Long agreed that the main concerns for residents who contacted was traffic congestion, which has now been resolved. “It was believed that traffic would be diverted onto the South Circular Road but that is not the case; it will be routed to the roundabout at the Dock Road,” said Cllr Long.
Cllr Byrne said the residents assocation have been in discussions with the racecourse company for a number of years and this “seems the best deal”. The mixed-use development includes a residential scheme and a neighbourhood centre incorporating a creche, retail unit, coffee shop, and doctor or dentist’s office, as well as parking for 725 vehicles. A major recreation amentiy area incorporating playing pitches, informal recreation areas, landscaped amenity areas, and parking for a further 100 vehicles, are planned. The number of affordable housing units as part of the development has not yet been disclosed.
Where will the future residents of the Greenpark shop? (Cresent or Coonagh shopping centres)
It will be intersesting to see if the Greenpark development will get a direct access route to the Cresent Shopping Centre via the South Circular Road / Dooradoyle Road. The former Greenpark race track is only a couple hundred metres as the crow flies from the shopping centre. Otherwise the residents who will live in the Greenpark close to the South Circular Road will have a very long roundabout way to the Cresent shopping centre via the Dock road. The planned Coonagh shopping centre on the other riverside will be easier for them to access!
APPROACH ROADS (City Public Realm Strategy)
Preliminary Design Stage
Approach Road proposals are described in the Limerick City Public Realm Guidelines and are intended to improve the appearance of the urban and suburban approaches to the City.
Suburban Roads: 5.7 Km
Urban Roads: 13.9 KmMain issues
- The main approach roads provide the first impressions of Limerick City and need to present a more consistent treatment in order to improve its overall appearance.
- The intervening streets could be considered to follow similar design themes as proposed for the main approach roads.
- There is a general change in character around the outer limits of the City between urban and suburban areas that can be reinforced through surface treatments, signage, street furniture, and possible gateways.
Curious to see how well the two the Limerick Councils can co-operate on introduction of bus lanes. The city council will have a more difficult task with the Ennis Road and the O’Connell Avenue residents over their potential loss of street parking.
Medical Care Sector (Updates)
https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=63773&postcount=1085
University of Limerick gets medical school (Irish Times) 🙂
The University of Limerick (UL) has been given Cabinet approval to establish a graduate medical school, in what will be seen as a significant coup.
The new faculty will allow graduates from other disciplines to train for careers in medicine.
UL will admit the first 30 students to the four-year programme in September this year. The intake will increase to more than 100 students the following yearHanafin approves UL medicine graduate course (Irish Examiner)
The university plans a €30 million capital programme to facilitate the programme, including a medical building which should be open in 2009.
Blackberry Medical Facility: €60m hospital contract (Irish Independent)
BOWEN Construction has been appointed to build the €60m Limerick Private Hospital being developed by Blackberry Properties in Limerick city. Construction is under way on the 94 bed hospital, scheduled for completion in 2008 and providing healthcare services to more than 500,000 people living in the mid-west region.
Bowen Construction is one of Ireland’s leading construction companies with extensive experience in the medical sector, having also worked on the extension at Our Lady’s Hospital for Sick Children in Crumlin, the Bons Secours Hospital and St James’s Hospital in Dublin, Shanakiel Hospital in Cork and Tralee Healthcare Centre in Kerry.
Medical Care Sector
Private hospital ‘set for Regional site’ Limerick Leader
By NORMA PRENDIVILLE and MARTIN BYRNES 24 March 2007
LIMERICK could have yet another private hospital within three years, built on the same grounds as the Regional Hospital in Dooradoyle, if the Government’s private hospital initiative takes off.
Later this week, the Minister for Health, Mary Harney, is expected to name the eight hospitals around the country where private hospitals will co-exist on public hospital grounds and, according to the PD’s Senator Michael Brennan, the Mid-West Regional Hospital is on the list.
The HSE (Mid-West) declined to name the consortiums which have made a bid for the Dooradoyle site, saying the tendering process was not yet complete. But Minister Harney is expected to name the successful bidders and, according to her party colleague, Sen Brennan, she has promised there will be no “sweet-heart” deals.
The private or “independent” hospital initiative has been the focus of Opposition anger in the Dail this week but Sen Brennan has strongly defended it and has condemned the Labour Party in particular for threatening to halt the scheme.
“It seems to me that Pat Rabbitte’s Labour Party is opposing private hospitals just for the sake of it. Maybe they would also like to close the National Treatment Purchase Fund and ban the State from purchasing badly-needed treatments for 50,000 public patients who used to wait very long times.”
Senator Brennan said it was high time to start changing the system of reserved, subsidised private beds in publicly-funded hospitals.
“When the private sector is willing to finance the facilities, to manage the service, and to fund the running costs 100 per cent, why stop it? What compelling reason is there for the state to insist that the public sector must pay all the capital cost of reserved private beds in public hospitals and more than half of the running costs?” he demanded.
But Labour’s Jan O’Sullivan has hit back, arguing strenuously that “none of these contracts should be signed in advance of a general election”. “We don’t believe any of them should be rushed through,” she said. “As far as we are concerned, it is pushing the two-tier health system even further down the road.”
The health system should be about treating people on the basis of need, not on the basis of money, Deputy O’Sullivan argued and she questioned the use of tax-breaks to finance the further development of a two-tier system.
She had particular concerns about the Limerick proposal, she said, pointing out that there had been plans at different stages to locate a new Maternity Hospital and/or a new orthopaedic unit on the site. It was vital to retain sufficient land for public hospital needs, she argued.
But Sen Brennan has countered that the proposed deals will benefit the public sector. “The lease of land will be on fully commercial terms. No public land will be given away.
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