well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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Looking at the picture of The Limerick Marina I must say I actually quite like it. Even though it hasn’t proved to be extremely popular it certainly brightens up that part of the City where the Abbey meets the Shannon. I think they should try and promote the marina in areas like Athlone and Killaloe to Encourage people to come to Limerick via the waterways. I also really like the Sylvester O’Halloran Bridge, it has a certain character to it.
It’s hard to realise just how bad a development anything on Jackson’s turret would be unless you stand n Arthur’s Quay Park and look across towards it. From that vantage you can really appreaciate the presence it has on the river.
While something should be done there, it needs to be ultra-cautious not to look out of place, anything over 3 storeys would destroy the line of the strand.
On the rubble in the river, there are plans to build a canoeing slip-way for the kayakers, and to develop a riverside park all along the strand. Not sure what stage of advancement those plans are at though.
@justnotbothered wrote:
On the rubble in the river, there are plans to build a canoeing slip-way for the kayakers, and to develop a riverside park all along the strand. Not sure what stage of advancement those plans are at though.
Great amenity for these guys. Hope the Limerick Council gets going with this project soon, as it stands, it is an unnecessary eyesore.
@Tuborg wrote:
Its the pukey orange colour!.. Cant recall it ever being red, when it opened it was definately orange. It actaually gives it an even tackier look!..
Looks like the Clarion marketing department had to sex-up the image of the new hotel with a little bit of rouge lip-stick! I wonder will the Hilton also need some cosmetics when it’s finished?
Yet another artist’s perspective of the new Hilton Hotel.
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Looks like the Clarion marketing department had to sex-up the image of the new hotel with a little bit of rouge lip-stick! I wonder will the Hilton also need some cosmetics when it’]another[/B] artist’s perspective of the new Hilton Hotel.
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https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=3231&stc=1&d=1161556619Out of the pictures I’ve seen of this development, the picture above is definitely the nicest and definitely the most like the actual development photograph (below), which I must say I really like. I’m gonna give it the thumbs up. I like the Terracotta-like colour marble they’re using on the exterior
@CologneMike wrote:
Looks like the Clarion marketing department had to sex-up the image of the new hotel with a little bit of rouge lip-stick! I wonder will the Hilton also need some cosmetics when it’s finished?
Whatever about cosmetic surgery, i think that building(Hilton) is going to need some serious maintenance in the years ahead especially considering the speed of construction, which only started in December last year. The hotel is scheduled to open in January, after just over 1 year of construction! Im no expert but surely this cant be right for a project of this size!, obviously the Hilton group are mad to open up! Will it be a phased opening or will all the facilities open in January?.. i wonder did they originally target a Christmas opening?
Jury’s hotel in Cork (basically an identical project) took 18 months to complete and they stumbled over the finishing line, 1 year seems crazy!
@CologneMike wrote:
Looks like the Clarion marketing department had to sex-up the image of the new hotel with a little bit of rouge lip-stick![/url]
Pretty positive there was nothing done to the Clarion Suites since it was rebuilt. Its been the same orange colour all along. In fairness the building itself is a hell of a lot better than the Ardhu Ryan was. Not mad on the orange myself but overall its a good addition to that side of the city .
The Hilton building is coming along very nicely and as I suspected it looks very well coming over Sarsfields Bridge towards the Ennis Road. If only the same could be said for that hideous Dunnes building by Liddy Street, which has now become Dunnes Home.@Tuborg wrote:
Whatever about cosmetic surgery, i think that building(Hilton) is going to need some serious maintenance in the years ahead especially considering the speed of construction, which only started in December last year. The hotel is scheduled to open in January, after just over 1 year of construction! Im no expert but surely this cant be right for a project of this size!, obviously the Hilton group are mad to open up! Will it be a phased opening or will all the facilities open in January?.. i wonder did they originally target a Christmas opening?
Jury’s hotel in Cork (basically an identical project) took 18 months to complete and they stumbled over the finishing line, 1 year seems crazy!
Probably has to open by then to qualify for any tax incentives. Seems a tight enough schedule alright, but they may well only open a portion of it by then so as to meet any qualification deadlines imposed by the revenue.
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from what i’ve heard the builders at the strand have been cutting corners everywhere, so I wouldnt be too doubtful if this hotel could be swarmed with problems in the future.Quote:
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I heard the opposite, that everything was being done pretty high spec.Quote:
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Well its turns out that a part of the Apartments being built on the same site as The Hilton partially collapsed during the week.Here we go! I heard it ages ago that the Hilton Builders were cutting awful corners.
@PoxyShamrock wrote:
Here we go! I heard it ages ago that the Hilton Builders were cutting awful corners.
Did you post an article stating that part of the building collapsed or is just a rumour you’ve been spreading here and on boards.ie? I live pretty near the place and know a few guys on the site (though I haven’t been chatting to them in ages) and I’ve heard nothing about it. Not saying it didn’t happen though, just wondering what the source is.
Nope, I don’t Spread Rumours, I heard it off the crane driver who is on the smaller crane. It wasn’t a major problem just a part of the top floor which was exposed to severe rain partially cracked and then cracked and collapsed. As Far as I know, it was only a fresh piece of work and the damage was fixed within a day or two.
I have utmost faith in the development on the strand and just becuase the development may be quick and a little bit of damage happened doesn’t mean it’s going to fall down as fast as it went up.I see they’ve begun attaching the reflective glass panels to the front of the new Marriott hotel on Henry Street, there also seems to be a fair bit of the usual stone tiling peeking through the scaffolding, I really hope that they haven’t revised the plans for the façade as glass was to be the dominant feature, stone cladding is an incredibly tired look at this stage! A Brise Soleil is mentioned in the application, similar to the wooden grill on the façade of the County Council offices in Dooradoyle Id imagine!
Work has also started on the steelwork for the retail element of the complex on the Bedford Row side of the site, the number of retail units have reduced from 14 to 12 as a result of the amalgamation of some units!
Permission for development for alterations to a previously permitted development (Reg Ref. P04/550), identified primarily as: the former Savoy Cinema Complex, Henry Street/Bedford Row/Stella Lane; former Bedford House, Bedford Row; former Nos. 2-7 Bedford Row; and the former premises running from the rear of No. 122 O’Connell Street (parallel with the former rear of Nos. 1-9 Bedford Row), Limerick. The development will consist of the provision of: an additional one metre length on the Bedford Row elevation The amalgamation of part of previously permitted Retail Unit No. 9 into Retail Unit No. 6 and subsequent reduction in the retail floor area of Retail Units Nos. 9, 10 and 11 by 99 sq m at basement ground floor and first floor level; an 87 sq m extension to Retail Unit No. 14 at ground and first floor level; the amalgamation of previously permitted Retail Unit Nos. 6,7 and 8 into one retail unit and a minor increase in retail floor area as a result of revised corner details on the amalgamated unit at both ground (342 sq m) and first floor level (313 sq m); re-positioning of the entrance door in Retail Unit No. 14 and the hotel entrance and permitted brise soleil on Henry street; addition of a hotel entrance on Stella Lane; change of use of Retail Units Nos. 12 & 13 at ground floor level to hotel foyer area (135 sq m) and at first floor level to private function room and lounge area (114 sq m); provision of shopfronts to all retail units; amalgamation of previously permitted Retail Unit No. 9 and 8 (part of) to create a larger Unit No. 9 (155 sq m) The proposed development results in an increase of some 794 sq m gross floor space to the permitted development at Former Savoy Cinema Complex, Henry St/Bedford Row, Limerick.
There was a piece on the Absolute Hotel on Sir Harry’s Mall in the Independent on Wednesday. Its due to open on February 1st next with 99 bedrooms, executive business suites, other “luxury†suites and also a range of spa facilities!
The “George Boutique Hotel†opened last weekend, it includes the George bar & Kitchen restaurant. They have applied for a change of use of part of the ground floor on O Connell street from Retail to café use, The remaining retail space is still up for grabs
I see they’ve begun attaching the reflective glass panels to the front of the new Marriott hotel on Henry Street, there also seems to be a fair bit of the usual stone tiling peeking through the scaffolding, I really hope that they haven’t revised the plans for the façade as glass was to be the dominant feature, stone cladding is an incredibly tired look at this stage! A Brise Soleil is mentioned in the application, similar to the wooden grill on the façade of the County Council offices in Dooradoyle Id imagine!
Work has also started on the steelwork for the retail element of the complex on the Bedford Row side of the site, the number of retail units have reduced from 14 to 12 as a result of the amalgamation of some units!
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Permission for development for alterations to a previously permitted development (Reg Ref. P04/550), identified primarily as: the former Savoy Cinema Complex, Henry Street/Bedford Row/Stella Lane; former Bedford House, Bedford Row; former Nos. 2-7 Bedford Row; and the former premises running from the rear of No. 122 O’Connell Street (parallel with the former rear of Nos. 1-9 Bedford Row), Limerick. The development will consist of the provision of: an additional one metre length on the Bedford Row elevation The amalgamation of part of previously permitted Retail Unit No. 9 into Retail Unit No. 6 and subsequent reduction in the retail floor area of Retail Units Nos. 9, 10 and 11 by 99 sq m at basement ground floor and first floor level; an 87 sq m extension to Retail Unit No. 14 at ground and first floor level; the amalgamation of previously permitted Retail Unit Nos. 6,7 and 8 into one retail unit and a minor increase in retail floor area as a result of revised corner details on the amalgamated unit at both ground (342 sq m) and first floor level (313 sq m); re-positioning of the entrance door in Retail Unit No. 14 and the hotel entrance and permitted brise soleil on Henry street; addition of a hotel entrance on Stella Lane; change of use of Retail Units Nos. 12 & 13 at ground floor level to hotel foyer area (135 sq m) and at first floor level to private function room and lounge area (114 sq m); provision of shopfronts to all retail units; amalgamation of previously permitted Retail Unit No. 9 and 8 (part of) to create a larger Unit No. 9 (155 sq m) The proposed development results in an increase of some 794 sq m gross floor space to the permitted development at Former Savoy Cinema Complex, Henry St/Bedford Row, Limerick.There was a piece on the Absolute Hotel on Sir Harry’s Mall in the Independent on Wednesday. Its due to open on February 1st next with 99 bedrooms, executive business suites, other “luxury†suites and also a range of spa facilities!
The “George Boutique Hotel†opened last weekend, it includes the George bar & Kitchen restaurant. They have applied for a change of use of part of the ground floor on O Connell street from Retail to café use, The remaining retail space is still up for grabs
If they got rid of No Name from Bedford Row they could try and make it a bit more upmarket by attracting bigger high street names onto the street, now no offence to the owner and faculty of No Name or its customers but it not exactly the nicest of shops. I’d love if a Starbucks opened on Bedford Row and get rid of the goths, metalers and scumbags who like to hang out on the street.
@Tuborg wrote:
I see they’ve begun attaching the reflective glass panels to the front of the new Marriott hotel on Henry Street, there also seems to be a fair bit of the usual stone tiling peeking through the scaffolding, I really hope that they haven’t revised the plans for the façade as glass was to be the dominant feature, stone cladding is an incredibly tired look at this stage! A Brise Soleil is mentioned in the application, similar to the wooden grill on the façade of the County Council offices in Dooradoyle Id imagine!
Work has also started on the steelwork for the retail element of the complex on the Bedford Row side of the site, the number of retail units have reduced from 14 to 12 as a result of the amalgamation of some units!
A part from this thumb-nail size image from Tom McNamara & Partners, there is very little from the work of Bourke Kennedy Doyle on the Savoy Centre to be seen. One can however make out that the height of the Savoy centre is nearly double that of it’s neighbour (Warehouse). See https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=3321&stc=1&d=1162756505 Also one can make out that the building is not fully glazed, as an area to the right would seem to be designated for stone cladding. See also https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=2281&stc=1&d=1145667308 Embedded into the building around the cladded area is a space from the first floor upwards and inwards for a tree to grow? Would it not be nice if someone from Bourke Kennedy Doyle would post here a decent size image.
Tom McNamara & Partners
Client: Fordmount Developments Ltd
Architect: Bourke Kennedy Doyle
Value: €40.00m
Description: Development of Savoy Centre – Retail, Office & Residential@PoxyShamrock wrote:
If they got rid of No Name from Bedford Row they could try and make it a bit more upmarket by attracting bigger high street names onto the street, now no offence to the owner and faculty of No Name or its customers but it not exactly the nicest of shops. I’d love if a Starbucks opened on Bedford Row and get rid of the goths, metalers and scumbags who like to hang out on the street.
I think we’ll see some changes on the opposite side of Bedford Row when the Savoy development is complete. Fordmount Developments were adamant that they would be seeking high quality tenants, although that could just be a lot of big talk, the revamped Bedford Row does however offer a fairly attractive shopping environment right in the heart of the city centre so id imagine there wont be any shortage of takers for the units! As for Starbucks, i dont think we need another dull foreign import!
Planning permission was granted in 2005 for a re-development of the central cinema (old methodist chapel) into a retail unit(s) with office accomodation on the upper floors. Nothing has happened since, although Limerick City Council did impose some fairly strict conditions on the restoration of the chapel facade so this could possibly be whats holding things up! The Bank of Ireland has a seriously deadening effect on Bedford Row and O Connell Street aswell, its a terrible under use of a prime city centre site, The BOI recently reached a sale & leaseback agreement on the property for the next 10 – 15 years! Does anyone actually know how old that building is?, looking at old maps, it replaced a number of probably georgian buildings in the 70s or 80s?..its rooftop plant rooms are an absolute disgrace! yet another horrible planning mistake!
I didnt actually realise the Hotel was going to oversail the stone warehouse so much, surely they could have been a bit more sympathetic!
@Tuborg wrote:
The hotel is scheduled to open in January, after just over 1 year of construction!
@CorcaighBoy wrote:
Probably has to open by then to qualify for any tax incentives. Seems a tight enough schedule alright, but they may well only open a portion of it by then so as to meet any qualification deadlines imposed by the revenue.
BillyTheSquid has posted this actual image of the Hilton Hotel on Boards.ie and it would seem they will open next month on schedule. Were these tax incentives the main driving force behind the Hotel boom in the city for the last year or two? When is the Marriott due to open?
See: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=52430356&postcount=3
When is the Marriott due to open?
OK I know this isn’t much info but any info is good I suppose. There are currently two cranes on The Marriott Site. Crane One (highest crane) is due to be taken down Christmas Week and Crane Two (smaller crane) is due to be down well before Patricks Day. Which would if my calculations are right give the hotel a summer opening.
Hotel market says goodbye to incentives (Sunday Business Post)
03 December 2006 By Dermot Curtin
Full article: http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=COMMERCIAL-qqqm=nav-qqqid=19279-qqqx=1.asp
It is with some relief that the hotel community in Ireland will say goodbye to the attractive tax incentives regime that is being phased out from the end of this year. While the capital allowances scheme was hugely instrumental in attracting badly needed capital investment into modernising and developing the country’s hotel stock over the last ten years, some areas of the country are now suffering from oversupply.
With the tax incentives more or less gone, the next few years should see an easing off on new supply as lending institutions become much more selective on which projects to support – any new proposals will need to demonstrate that specific demand exists for their particular project. That should help see demand catch up with supply.
@CologneMike wrote:
Were these tax incentives the main driving force behind the Hotel boom in the city for the last year or two?
Well that and the fact that there was a market there for them, there was a huge under supply of hotel rooms in the city centre especially, until very recently. Of course many hotels were refurbished and in the case of the George and the Hilton, hotels already existed on the sites in the 1st place.
In the last 4 -5 years these are the new or not so new hotels that have come on stream in Limerick
Clarion Hotel 2002
Radisson SAS (Revamped Limerick Inn) 2003
Clarion Hotel Suites (re developed Ardhu Ryan) 2006
Quality Hotel 2006
George Boutique Hotel (re developed Royal George Hotel) 2006
Patrick Punches Hotel 2006
Hilton Hotel (on site of former Jurys) 2007
Marriott Hotel 2007
Absolute Hotel 2007The former Glentworth hotel was refurbished in 2003/4, its now known as Pery’s Hotel.
Of course the most famous Limerick hotel of them all, Cruises hotel, was demolished in 1991 to make way for the Cruises street development!
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