well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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Not exactly!, i think he was talking about the island area and yes he’s quite right to point out that it is a disaster, the oldest part of the city given over to a council estate is pretty tragic!, he didnt say limerick is “the scum hole of Ireland”
Look! it dosent matter who made the comment, it was childish and unwarranted, anaway enough of this, theres more important things to be talking about!
Fair play to Limerick. If they go ahead with that proposal for the docks it will have a more interesting skyline then Dublin.:cool:
Sorry, I mustn’t have been clear. I’ll try and reiterate what I meant to say.
The new designs for the Island are interesting and welcome.
The Island itself should be a nice place to visit and live.
The Island has been overlooked and hasn’t seen enough development in recent years.
This neglect has increased the social problems that were already existing on the Island, hopefully this new initiave will change things around.If anyone wants to discuss the social problems, feel free to take it up on the limerick section of boards.ie, this thread isn’t the place to discuss it. (I’m Amazo on boards).
@justnotbothered wrote:
Why? There’s still nothing concrete about this proposal, I’d like to see a proper pro and con list to keeping the docks in Limerick, as opposed to building superport in Foynes, it’s not good enough to say I want high buildings, or I want to keep a 1,000 year port open, whats the benefits to either plan?
Justnotbothered, have you or anybody else seen any details from the Docklands Study “The Docklands Initiative”? It seems like the press release from the Shannon Foynes Port Company on Thursday the 24 August, could be in fact only a submission to the Limerick City Council towards the Docklands Local Area Plan (2007 – 2013). The deadline was one day later. See below.
http://www.limerickcity.ie
http://www.sfpc.ie/news058.htm
https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=52563&postcount=665Docklands Local Area Plan – Notice of commencement
Limerick City Council is commencing the preparation of the Docklands Local Area Plan for the period 2007 – 2013.
To assist in the preparation of the plan, a preliminary study “The Docklands Initiative” has been prepared. Members of the public and interested organisations who wish to have an input into the preparation of the plan are invited to make submissions on the study document and any other issues. All submissions should be made in writing to the Planning and Development Department Limerick City Council City Hall Merchants Quay Limerick or by e mail to plandev@limerickcity.ie.The last day for receipt of submissions is Friday August 25th 2006.
Copies of the Docklands Study are available for inspection and purchase at the Planning and Development Department, Limerick City Council, City Hall, Merchant’s Quay, Limerick during office hours.
Ted Russell Docks
The first image gives the actual measurements of the dock itself. Maximal length is 422 metres with a maximal width of 140 metres.
The second image is that of Bannatynes Mill. This building is a gem and it must be conserved. The image is scanned from Patrick E.F. O’Dwyer’s school book “The Irish Landscape in Photographs and Mapsâ€.
The third image must have been taken from the Clarion hotel. It shows the docks in a rather run down state. The second architectural feature worth conserving here is the Dock’s Clock. Some fifteen years ago or so, some enlightened person made a suggestion on the local press to simply move the dock’s clock onto the roundabout at the new bridge (Jury’s Inn / Riverpoint). It would be a landmark monument to Limerick’s Maritime past and it would be seen daily by thousands of people.
Any thoughts?
Census 2006 / Limerick City Boundary Extension
Galway City (12,383 acres)
Waterford City (9,879 acres)
Limerick City (5,155 acres)Former Mayor of Limerick, Cllr Diarmuid Scully goes on record with quoting a population of almost 96,000 for Limerick City if Dick Roche accepts the City Council’s application for an extension.
Map:
Grim reality – Limerick is the smallest city (Limerick Post)
http://www2.limerickpost.ie/fullnews.elive?id=49&category=news
IT MAY be the silly season 😉 but former Mayor of Limerick, Cllr Diarmuid Scully, has come up with some sobering facts and figures for the serious consideration of the citizens of the Treaty city.
The councillor, who during his mayoralty made Limerick’s application for a boundary extension a prime issue, does not shy from pointing out the unpalatable fact that Limerick is now the smallest city in Ireland in terms of land area.
Pointing out that Limerick City Council administers a land area of just 5,155 acres compared to Waterford’s land area of 9,879 acres within its city boundary and 12,383 acres in Galway, Cllr Scully says that with Cork and Dublin larger still, Limerick’s population is now just 52,560. This compares unfavourably with 45,775 for Waterford and 71,983 for Galway.
“Were Limerick to be granted the boundary extension it so sorely needs our population would jump to almost 96,000 at a stroke, thereby restoring our status as the third city in the State and surely it is in the interest of all Limerick people that this should happen,†he said.
While no ruling on City Council’s application for an extension has yet come from the Minister for the Environment, Dick Roche, and while there is no indication that he will set up an independent commission to examine the issue, many of the same arguments that are being made against the current boundary extension proposal were advanced in opposition to the 1946 application, which was eventually granted in 1950.
“Our 1946 application was fiercely resisted by both Limerick and Clare County Councils but an independent commission was set up in February 1947 to investigate and the result was that a partial extension into Limerick county was granted in January 1950, but none into County Clare,†said Cllr Scully.
He further points out that though Waterford was granted an extension in 1979 and Galway in 1985, it is now 56 years since Limerick’s last extension to its boundary.
“Many of the same arguments that are being made against the current boundary extension proposal were advanced in opposition to the 1946 application and had the application not been granted, city areas such as Singland, Rhebogue, Garryowen, Ballynanty and Ballinacurra would still be in the county†he points out.
“If the 1950 extension had not gone ahead we would not now be worrying about our status as the third city in the state :rolleyes: – we would long ago have been downgraded to a country town,†he said.
Limerick City Council has confirmed that it is awaiting the Minister’s official decision on their application.
Both the clock and the Mill building should be preserved. The Mill is a beautiful building in bad need of some work. It was a crystal factory for a few years in the late 80’s90’s if i remember. Totally wasted.
In would be great to see Bannatynes mill getting a new lease of life,its such an interesting building but has been pretty forlorn looking for quite a while now,it should definately be central to the new developments that will inevitably spring up in the docklands over the next couple of years. The future of Ranks Silo is less clear, this is the large tower type structure near bannatynes mill, the city council have indicated that ideally they would like to see the building preserved although their call has got a fairly luke warm response, especially from developers as they say the number of potential uses for the building is quite limited. Apparently its one of only 3 such structures remaining in this country, im not sure how true that is! No doubt we’ll be hearing a lot more of this!
Incidentally a restoration project was carried out on a similar building to Bannatynes mill a couple of years back, this is the old corn mill on shannon street, next to the savoy development!
Limerick Docklands
In stark contrast to the proposed Opera Centre Development, there is a least a lot more information in the public domain available for the proposed redevelopment of the Limerick Docklands.🙂
The Limerick Docklands Initiative Master Plan
http://www.limerickdocklands.com/pdfs/DLk_Docklands_Master%20Plan.pdf
Overall Site Plan (Brochure)
http://www.limerickdocklands.com/pdfs/Docklands_Brochure.pdf
Atlas Avenue Site (Brochure)
http://www.limerickdocklands.com/pdfs/Atlas_Avenue.pdf
Clock Tower Site (Brochure)
Clock Tower and Mill building look great.
I heard recently something about Limerick Corporation selling the park land along the river for development alongside the currrent Ennis/Shannon road. Is this true?
Docks sale proposal sees angry 😡 exchanges (Irish Examiner)
By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent
ANGRY exchanges flared at an emergency meeting of the Shannon Foynes Port Committee (SFPC) yesterday over the proposed sale of Limerick docks for commercial development.
The meeting was convened at the request of some board members at the weekend.
The meeting commenced at 9am and went on for most of the day.
SFPC management want to sell 44 acres at Limerick docks for commercial development to help raise €100 million for the upgrading of shipping facilities on the Shannon Estuary.
Company executives want to transfer shipping to Foynes-24 miles down river-and feel Limerick dock is surplus to requirement.
The company last week launched a major publicity drive. This involved an endorsement of the sale of the docks by former president of the University of Limerick, Ed Walsh in advertisements carried in local newspapers and local radio.
SFPC, chief executive, Brian Byrne told the Irish Examiner last week that more than 12 developers had submitted expressions of interest in acquiring property at the docks and these were currently being assessed.
He indicated that it was his intention to have proposals ready for the September meeting of his board.
It is believed that yesterday’s emergency board meeting was called for by some members who are concerned at the speed at which the sale of the docks is being expedited.
What were described as frank exchanges took place during the meeting.
Elected members of Limerick City Council have come out against the sale.
But it is believed that council management favour such a move as a commercially developed docklands would generate very significant rates income.
The mayor of Limerick, Cllr Joe Leddin, is leading the opposition to a sell-off.
In a weekend comment, Mayor Leddin challenged Brian Byrne to say if he had the backing of his board for a sale of the docks.
Following on his statement at least one board member demanded the convening of yesterday’s board meeting.
Mayor Leddin said the docks belonged to the people of Limerick.
He said: “Shannon Foynes Port Company are charged with the responsibility to manage and develop the docks on behalf of the people of Limerick. The development of Limerick dock lands is critical to the city’s continued growth. However, the quick sell-off of prime sites to developers with no agreed area plan in place for the entire dock lands are is premature and reckless.
@vkid wrote:
Both the clock and the Mill building should be preserved. The Mill is a beautiful building in bad need of some work. It was a crystal factory for a few years in the late 80’s90’s if i remember. Totally wasted.
There’s Waterford crystal, Tipperary crystal even Galway crystal but I never heard of Limerick crystal?
@Tuborg wrote:
In would be great to see Bannatynes mill getting a new lease of life,its such an interesting building but has been pretty forlorn looking for quite a while now,it should definately be central to the new developments that will inevitably spring up in the docklands over the next couple of years. The future of Ranks Silo is less clear, this is the large tower type structure near bannatynes mill, the city council have indicated that ideally they would like to see the building preserved although their call has got a fairly luke warm response, especially from developers as they say the number of potential uses for the building is quite limited. Apparently its one of only 3 such structures remaining in this country, im not sure how true that is! No doubt we’ll be hearing a lot more of this
Incidentally a restoration project was carried out on a similar building to Bannatynes mill a couple of years back, this is the old corn mill on shannon street, next to the savoy development!
Indeed the Mill on the corner of Shannon / Henry Street is a model example of good conservation. I hope it does not become too dwarfed in size by the new Hotel. What a pity a similar Mill on the corner of Cecil / Henry Street collapsed during the redevelopment of the Carlton cinema block.
Here is the alternative result of the collapse.
https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=2403&stc=1&d=1150593845
@Michael J. O’Brien wrote:
Clock Tower and Mill building look great.
I heard recently something about Limerick Corporation selling the park land along the river for development alongside the currrent Ennis/Shannon road. Is this true?
I did not hear of this sale, it must be the Condell road that you are mentioning. There is the Ted Russell Park at Barrington’s Pier and the wet lands at Westfields????
I haven’t heard what the elected members have said, and therefore perhaps this is unfair. However, if Joe Leddin has said that the docks belong to the people of Limerick, I wonder in what sense he means that?
It’s unlikely that he considers the docks to be an amenity. There’s no access for the public. There’s no use the people can make of the general area. Admittedly, there continues to be a small, though dwindling, amount of prostitution in the area, which began when the Docks were a thriving concern, but again, that can hardly be what he has in mind. Furthermore, on the question of appearances, though the Docks do have the potential to both look and feel very good indeed, they’re a mess right now. So scratch the amenity. It isn’t an amenity.
In what other sense might the docks belong to the people of Limerick? Employment? Unlike a century ago, when whole communities sprang up around the docks, at a time when the Windmill area was known as “the flag of all nations”, there is now almost no employment arising from shipping, and what employment there is will only diminish. This is a reality. Foynes is a deep-water port. Limerick is not, and that commercial fact won’t be erased by wishing it out of existence.
It seems to me that what the elected members might be talking about is some nebulous concept of “belonging” in the rare-auld-times style. Don’t get me wrong: I’m a Limerick man who grew up at a time when you could walk around the docks and watch the ships unloading (before H&S, before insurance claims), and I have an emotional attachment to the place too. In fact, I’m a lot older than Joe Leddin, so I can remember the place as a working port, but I would like to see a solution that satisfies both sides of the debate. I’d like to see a solution that promotes a rejuvenation of the area, and a further embracing of the river by the city, but not at the expense of excluding the people. I would not like to see the place turned into a rich ghetto. Surely we can arrive at an answer that lifts the docks out of their current moribund state while at the same time reassuring the citizens of Limerick?
@Michael J. O’Brien wrote:
I heard recently something about Limerick Corporation selling the park land along the river for development alongside the currrent Ennis/Shannon road. Is this true?
I hadn’t heard that. I’m pretty sure we’d have heard about it if it actually went through. There has been an awful lot of “kite-flying” about this project but whenever the persons behind this scheme are actually asked about how they’ll fund it, or when they’ll produce plans for it. The plan to my mind is a joke, but I’m worried once the idea gets out it’ll gain a currency with more serious developers.
CologneMike wrote:There’s Waterford crystal, Tipperary crystal even Galway crystal but I never heard of Limerick crystal?Ha ha. No don’t think there was ever Limerick Crystal. Can’t remember the name but it was to be made in that mill and sold in Bunratty. Can;t remember the exact details but i’ll find out from the man in the know.
vkid wrote:Ha ha. No don’t think there was ever Limerick Crystal. Can’t remember the name but it was to be made in that mill and sold in Bunratty. Can]Surprise, surprise there is a LIMERICK CRYSTAL GLASS COMPANY LIMITED (Abbeyfeale)
Plan to sell Limerick docks on hold (Irish Times)
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2006/0830/1156791262255.html
Kathryn Hayes 30/08/2006
Controversial plans to sell more than 40 acres of prime docklands in Limerick to make way for a possible €1 billion redevelopment have been put on hold, it emerged yesterday.
Last week the Shannon Foynes Port Company unveiled an artist’s impression of the redeveloped docks, which it claimed would generate more than 1,000 jobs in Limerick and inject some €50 million into the local economy.
In a detailed statement the port company said it was at an “advanced stage” of considering expressions of interest from developers keen to acquire some of the prime city centre sites.
However, just days after the company launched its major publicity drive aimed at promoting the sale and redevelopment of the docks, it emerged yesterday that all plans have been put on hold.
This follows an emergency meeting of members of the company on Monday, during which it is understood angry exchanges flared over the speed at which the sale of the dock was being expedited.
The seven-hour meeting also followed widespread opposition locally including a statement from Limerick’s mayor, who criticised the port company for releasing details of the proposals to the media before presenting them to council members.
Cllr Joe Leddin called on the port company’s chief executive, Brian Byrne, to confirm that he had the full support of his board for the initiative made public last week, which was endorsed by local high-profile personalities in advertisements carried in local newspapers and radio.
“I am disappointed, as mayor of Limerick, that the proposals which have appeared in the local and national media were not first presented to the elected members of Limerick City Council.”
Cllr Leddin has asked the port board to suspend its plans to sell off part or all of Limerick Dock and described the rush to dispose of the Ted Russell Dock as “frightening and ill-conceived“.
In a statement released yesterday, the board said it had “unanimously agreed to enter into an inclusive and comprehensive process” with the Limerick port users and Limerick city councillors. The company said it will allow sufficient time for this engagement process before considering any proposals for the Limerick Docklands.
Company chairman Kieran MacSweeney said an “information” meeting for the board will take place on September 7th and no decision on any proposal or development has been made.
© The Irish TimesWell at least its good to see that SFPA are finally taking stock instead of rushing into a proposed sale however this delay really does highlight what a shambles this whole process has been so far! I know its a hugely important project for Limerick but isnt this even more of a reason why a detailed plan needs to be drawn up, at the moment there isnt even a local area plan for the docklands area!
No doubt SFPA will kick up a fuss over this delay and in fairness any delay is regrettable but they should really have known better, of course there was going to be opposition to the project and the aggressive way they have gone about it seems to have backfired, they surely didnt believe they could go ahead without even consulting all those bodies with an interest in the scheme!
CologneMike wrote:Indeed the Mill on the corner of Shannon / Henry Street is a model example of good conservation. I hope it does not become too dwarfed in size by the new Hotel. What a pity a similar Mill on the corner of Cecil / Henry Street collapsed during the redevelopment of the Carlton cinema block.Here is the alternative result of the collapse.
https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=2403&stc=1&d=1150593845
Ya it was a real pity about that building, it used to house the Henry cecil pub, Aidan Brooks bought it up as part of his Shannon st/henry st development, it was planned to restore it for retail use however it collapsed in november 2003 during piling works on the Bank of scotland site. Not sure was any action ever taken over it but surely more precautions should have been taken! Apparently the building dated back to the late 18th Century! It added a bit of character to cecil street in a street seriously lacking in character, definately one of the more neglected city centre streets. Unfortunately the loss of interesting buildings has been an all too familiar occurance in Limerick over the years!
@CologneMike wrote:
Indeed the Mill on the corner of Shannon / Henry Street is a model example of good conservation. I hope it does not become too dwarfed in size by the new Hotel. What a pity a similar Mill on the corner of Cecil / Henry Street collapsed during the redevelopment of the Carlton cinema block.
Here is the alternative result of the collapse.
https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=2403&stc=1&d=1150593845
Ya it was a real pity about that building, it used to house the Henry cecil pub, Aidan Brooks bought it up as part of his Shannon st/henry st development, it was planned to restore it for retail use however it collapsed in november 2003 during piling works on the Bank of scotland site. Not sure was any action ever taken over it but surely more precautions should have been taken! Apparently the building dated back to the late 18th Century! It added a bit of character to cecil street in a street seriously lacking in character, definately one of the more neglected city centre streets. Unfortunately the loss of interesting buildings has been an all too familiar occurance in Limerick over the years!
https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=38660&postcount=269
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