well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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@PoxyShamrok wrote:
Does anyone have any pictures of the Savoy Complex and what will be going in there?
Planning permission 04550
Fordmount Developments Ltd.
The redevelopment of a site of 0.3287 hectares, approximately, indentified primarily as: the Savoy Cinema Complex, Henry Street/Bedford Row]five to part – ten (including roof top plant) storey over basement building,[/U] providing a mixed use scheme comprising: 95 no. residential apartments (some terraced, some with balconies) (7910 sqm (50 no. one-bedroom apartments; 37 no. two bed apartments; and 8 no. three-bed apartments)); 14 no. retail units (5753sqm located from basement to second floor level); and a 100 bedroom hotel (7658sqm incorporating metting rooms (683 sqm over two levels), kitchen (with an upper first floor area), restaurant, bar, a hotel leisure area including a swimming pool and gym, office
Architect Name: Tom Phillips & Associates http://www.tpa.ie
Apart from a black and white newspaper print (see page 25 post #609). We will probably have to wait until the complex is finished. Nothing found on http://www.tpa.ie
Below is an image of Work-in-Progress by Squid http://thelimerick.blogspot.com/2006/06/my-photos-of-limerick-taken-03062006_04.html
I hope that Arthurs Quay, the Dunnes Block and the Penneys/Burger King Buildings are here to stay for a long time!
@PoxyShamrok wrote:
I hope that Arthurs Quay, the Dunnes Block and the Penneys/Burger King Buildings are here to stay for a long time!
Reality check, you have named some of the ugliest and most obstructive buildings that were ever built along with Borwn thomas, which have all being built around the same periods. It is crappy and cheap. Serioulsy are you for real?:eek: :confused: The red brick is kind of old and not cool at this stage too.
Just some things to note. The second block of apartments beside the ones which took part of the peoples park are currently flying up. They could be finnished in about two months I think.
Punches hotel is looking well apart from where it joins to the old pub section of Punches. Also it looks like they are nearing completeion of the resurfacing work on the Ballinacura road in the area.
Dan Ryans still hasn’t been torn down yet.
Liemrick Hilton is also near its full height at this stage.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/billythesquid/Limerick2006-05.jpg
above : Limerick Hilton
Bedford Row is also coming along nicely
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/billythesquid/Limerick2006-10.jpg
Bedford Row.
Also you might be interested to know that the white elephant building at the entrance of the Raheen industrial estate, Landmark Offices, i think it is called, could finally be getting a tennant. That is if either Red FM South West or Spin South West are successful in their applications for the South West regional broadcasting licence. Both stations have expressed a desire to use the building as their main studio should their application be successful.
Spin have listed it as their first choice, however Red have listed it as their second choice should their first choice of 97-98 henry street be taken.
Yes the buildings may be ugly but the majority of people in Limerick enjoy the shops that are in them and to get rid of the buildings they are in would damage the shops business and damage the city!
Down next to Instore and Molly’s Bar close to the Milk Market there is a shell of a building thats there for around 2 or 3 years! It seems that it was started but never finished! Does anyone know what it was meant to be and why construction stopped?
@PoxyShamrok wrote:
Yes the buildings may be ugly but the majority of people in Limerick enjoy the shops that are in them and to get rid of the buildings they are in would damage the shops business and damage the city!
The plan is to rebuild them and possibly make them bigger, there at leasr a 10 acres of land left derelict and unused… that could be used etc… I don’t think the developers will delay the redevelopment. Some risks have to be taken in order to reap the benifets.
Take Dubai for example:rolleyes:
Corbally Link Road and Park Canal Restoration Project
http://www.limerickcity.ie/ [see Planning & Development / Park Canal Restoration Project
http://www.riversidecity.ie/project_parkcanal.htmAny progress or news on these projects????
Problems reported February this year 😡
http://www.limerickbiz.com/corbally_road_works.html
The second contractor chosen by City Council to build Phase Two of the Corbally Link Road has pulled out because they are too busy to complete the project, it has emerged.
Director of Transportation and Infrastructure at City Hall, Patrick Dromey confirmed at yesterday’s City Council meeting that plans to build a link connecting Grove Island to the Dublin Road would be further delayed.
Work on the longawaited €S.8 million project was due to start on February 10 last, but the contractor with the lowest tender pulled out.
The second lowest tender was then chosen, but the contractor informed Mr Dromey last Thursday that they would not be able to complete the project.“The contractors say they have too much work on, the market is too buoyant. The second contractor indicated to us that he will withdraw but has not yet put it in writing,” said Mr Dromey.
Cllr Kieran Walsh described the situation as “nothing short of diabolical”.
“We got a guarantee that it would finish this year. I am sick of this. We have been waiting on due process for almost three years, it is long enough, there is a point where due process becomes incompetence,” said Cllr Walsh, who asked if City Manager Tom Mackey’s assertion that the road would be completed in 2006 would stand.
Mr Mackey replied: “As with all major contracts, we depend on contractors. We have to follow normal procedure, and if they pull out, we have to move onto the next guy. It is not that we do not wish to see it progress, it is a serious problem and we will seek a contractor to do the work and get it done as rapidly as possible.”Plans for phase two of the Corbally Link Road include the construction of a bridge over the canal, and will stretch for 370 metres along Park Road and a further 170 metres of Park Road will be widened before it joins up with the Dublin Road.
Map of Canal
@PoxyShamrok wrote:
Down next to Instore and Molly’s Bar close to the Milk Market there is a shell of a building thats there for around 2 or 3 years! It seems that it was started but never finished! Does anyone know what it was meant to be and why construction stopped?
The plan here was for a mixed use scheme of apartments, offices and ground floor retail accomodation, the developer is ger madden who i think used to own the broadcasting license for the limerick area (old 95fm before it was shut down), as you say construction started around 3 years ago but the site has been idle for some time now, maybe he just ran out of money! Lately an bord planala rejected his plan for a hotel and apartment development just across the road from the above development on what is currently a large carpark.
As for the city centre proposal, no doubt penneys and burger king are woeful buildings and add to the drabness of this section of O Connell st, but really i dont think roches stores building is in any way out of place, in fact i think it fits in quite well in what is a prime city centre location on the junction of sarsfield st/ o connell st! TBH i would be a lot more concerned with what is behind roches stores on the liddy st side and the dunnes stores site, this area is in much more urgent need of redevelopment, its dirty, dreary ,partly derelict and a shocking waste of prime city centre space, i would be more than happy if this site was sorted out. This is a very grand plan with a proposed tunnel under arthurs quay sc and a large civic square, i just cant see this going ahead in its entirety, it’ll either be toned down or abandoned completely, this is Ireland after all, something is bound to go wrong!, what are the odds of finding a rare snail and having to put up with a gigantic hole in the city centre for years!:eek:
oh yeah! i forgot to mention! Sisk have been hired for more development at the Crescent Shopping Centre. I don’t know if its gonna be retail yet!:)
Limerick Leader
APARTMENT PLAN IS ‘ABOMINATION’ – By MIKE DWANE
DEVELOPERS seeking to knock three historic buildings to make way for a five-storey block of apartments on Clancy Strand have been told by city planners to go back to the drawing board.
The planning department has advised the applicant, city solicitor Gary Keogh, that the current planning application would be unlikely to succeed unless the height and density of the development were scaled down.
The proposed demolition of Curraghour House, Strandville and Roseville, also known as Jackson’s Turret, was raised by a number of northside councillors at Tuesday’s meeting of Limerick City Council.
“Having a block of 49 apartments on Clancy Strand is overdevelopment by any stretch of the imagination and it’s in one of the nicest parts of Limerick,” said Labour’s Cllr John Ryan.
“Was there a pre-planning meeting, and were people encouraged to apply for 49 apartments?” he demanded to know.
“That area,” said Fianna Fail’s Cllr John Cronin, “is a peaceful place where people go walking and has been unchanged in 20 years. This would totally change the character of Clancy Strand and let nobody be in any doubt about that.”
“We sometimes lose track of ourselves and say isn’t it great having all these new developments in the city. Everything new isn’t always right. If we change the character of this area, we’ll be making a serious mistake. It’s too high, it’s too dense and it’s too close to neighbours”
Fine Gael’s Cllr Michael Hourigan agreed the proposed development was “out of character” and Cllr Kathleen Leddin, Independent, said it would be an “abomination” to have a five-storey block “looking in over the back of other houses.”
“This should be turned down straight away; it shouldn’t even be considered. It would change the appearance of the area forever,” she said.
In response to Cllr Ryan, senior planner Dick Tobin said the applicant “doesn’t appear to have taken on board matters raised at that (pre-planning) meeting such as density and access.”
“He was advised that a scheme of lesser height and lower density would have a better chance,” Mr Tobin said.
28 June 2006
Link: http://www.limerickleader.ie/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=3419&ArticleID=1593888See also page 27 posts #657, #662 and #663.
I would consider the Clancy Strand to be an integral part of the city centre with a river front view. That the river has a width of 200 metres here plus a roadway separating it from the buildings on Clancy Strand. I could imagine a building height similar to that of St. Munchin’s Church (opposite the treaty stone) for this stretch of Clancy Strand as acceptable (i.e. four to five stories). See blue highlighted image #1 below. It is hypocrisy of the city councillors to be looking for a boundary extension on the one hand to build acres and acres of more semi-detached houses rather than to optimise a city centre site for 49 dwellings for the sake of 3! Think of another potential 49 vehicles commuting to the city centre daily.
Important is a coherent skyline height for this part of the Clancy Strand.
The Merits
Without having seeing any image of this development or details of size, materials to be used etc, etc. The 49 apartments (14-3 bed, 34-2 bed and 1-1 bed) in a five storey building with 1.5 floors of basement carparking, site entrance, drainage, landscaping and ancillary works. They would seem to be spacious enough and how many parked cars will be taken off the road?
The Downside
Flooding could be a problem here? Storm tides?Any thoughts?
Image #2 Location Link: http://www.riversidecity.ie/project_focus.htm
Image #3 Treaty Stone / St. Munchin’s ChurchLimerick Post
Five-storey strand development shock by Marie Hobbins (Clancy Strand)
PIVOTAL to the development of a 49 apartment complex on Clancy Strand is the demolition of a landmark house that dates back to the early 1800s.
The distinctive white painted, turreted house that is just visible behind the curve of a stone wall on Clancy Strand denotes an era of yesteryear and reputedly belonged to the builder of the quay walls on the Strand.
Although the house is privately owned and occupied, it will, according to details of a planning application just submitted to Limerick City Council, be demolished to provide additional space to an area that stretches from Jackson’s Turret to the corner of Priory Park and which incorporates a land allotment to the rear.
The distinctive house is not a listed building.
Residents of Priory Park, which was built in 1954, are outraged and haver rushed to councillors regarding the impact the proposed 49-apartment, five story development, with underground parking, would have on their bungalowed cul de sac.
Also angering them is the provision in the application for four two-storey buildings with two apartments on each floor that will front on to Priory Park :confused:
After examining the plans, Cllr Michael Hourigan told the Limerick Post that in his opinion the height and density of the buildings are totally inappropriate and out of character with the riverscape of Clancy Strand and would negatively intrude on the area, including Priory Park, not to mention the proposal to knock Jackson’s Turret.
He also questioned the impact of an additional 49 apartments on an already densely trafficked area as well as additional pressure on the water supply.
Cllr Hourigan said that once the planning application has been validated within a short period of time, he and other councillors for the Ward will arrange a meeting between any residents of Clancy Strand and Priory Park who object to the development as outlined and officials in the planning department in City Hall.
One resident speaking to the Limerick Post said that since two large residences on the section of Clancy Strand immediately to the left of Priory Park fell vacant they knew that there was every likelihood of a new development.
“We knew that on such a lovely river-side location there would eventually be a new development and we accepted that but certainly we were not prepared for a five-storey, 49 apartment block that will also impinge onto our park.”
The resident, who does not want to be named, referred to the nearby Castle Court complex of two-storey houses and apartments that have retained the facade of the former Strand Barracks.
“That development fits in beautifully with the Strand and is of appropriate size and while some of its wall backs up to one section of Priory Park, there are no windows on that wall and people’s privacy is not being invaded or their light darkened,”she said.
While it was generally assumed that Jackson’s Turret was a listed building, this is not so, according to senior planner, Dick Tobin.
When asked what is the criterion required to grant protected status on a building, Mr Tobin explained that this is secured if a building is included in the city’s development plan or alternatively if it is carried forward from a previous development plan.
“If a building is recommended for protection by a member of the public we would engage an historian to examine whether the building merited such status and then it would be up to the City Council to agree it,”he said.
“Legislation to protect buildings only came in 2000 when 300 buildings in Limerick were made protected.The legislation enables the Heritage Council to survey cities and bring forward proposals for protected structures. Last year a survey was carried out in Limerick by the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage but the report has not yet been published. In this survey they graded all 20,000 buildings within the Limerick city boundary.|”
Mr Tobin said it would be interesting to learn what grading and or recommendation the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage had produced for Jackson’s Turret.
When contacted a spokesperson for the heritage body said that they cannot comment on what if any recommendation is made regarding Jackson’s Turret until the survey is edited and published, which is expected shortly.
“However, the City Council can ignore our recommendation and the decision to make a building protected lies with the Council,”he said.
Ian Lumley of An Taisce said it is a foregone conclusion that should planning permission be granted it will be appealed to An Bord Pleanala.
Link: http://www2.limerickpost.ie/fullnews.elive?id=64&category=news
CologneMike posted
While it was generally assumed that Jackson’s Turret was a listed building, this is not so, according to senior planner, Dick Tobin.
When asked what is the criterion required to grant protected status on a building, Mr Tobin explained that this is secured if a building is included in the city’s development plan or alternatively if it is carried forward from a previous development plan.
I am familiar with Jackson’s Turret. It certainly should be a Protected Structure in my view – it is one of the very earliest buildings on that bank of the river and can be seen standing alone in a very early painting looking across the river (eighteenth Century?).
It is also a building with a distinctive and distinguished design. I once heard that it was connected in some way with smuggling on the river? I was inside on two occasions and the interior is also interesting with one particularly fine first floor room overlooking the river.
Considering what happened to Grianblah in Palmerston Park (see separate thread) its architectural quality may not save it.:(
BTY – it is directly across the river from Dick Tobins office – so presumably he knows a little about it.
Colonge Mike, the one problem with all your excellant post is that you’ve highlighted the wrong buildings. It is the buildings on the turn in the river, in front of the small park, that are being knocked.
While you’re point about housing density is a good one, it’s unclear to me that this road could take another 49 cars, or that 5 storeys would look anything other than out of place in consideration to it’s neighbouring houses. The strand in question is prone to flooding, thoguh the riverwall has been improved in recent years.
Justnotbothered, thanks for the feed back, it was a calculated guess. Are these three houses situated to the left or to the right of the Strand Barracks? Jimg was concerned about the Curragour Pub.
See also.
https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=52330&postcount=657
https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=52500&postcount=663Publicrealm, I must have a look at some of my old Limerick Journals over the weekend, google had little to offer about Jackson’s Turret.
The developer it seems, will have a few obstacles to overcome i.e. historical, skyline and might even need flood gates. See image of the Curragour falls park below.
@justnotbothered wrote:
Colonge Mike, the one problem with all your excellant post is that you’ve highlighted the wrong buildings. It is the buildings on the turn in the river, in front of the small park, that are being knocked.
While you’re point about housing density is a good one, it’s unclear to me that this road could take another 49 cars, or that 5 storeys would look anything other than out of place in consideration to it’s neighbouring houses. The strand in question is prone to flooding, thoguh the riverwall has been improved in recent years.
Clancy Strand
I have finally found the exact location of the proposed development. The aerial image shows the highlighted planning proposal. It could eventually kick-start other developments on this stretch of the Clancy Strand. I’m sure lucrative sums will be offered to the other two-storey householders. This proposed development will eventually come through the planning process in one form or other, it’s scale, height etc, etc (1,2,3,4 or 5 storey) will surely have bearings for all future development here? My main concern remains for a coherent skyline between Clancy Strand Barracks and St Munchin’s Church. High-rise or low-rise(1-2 storey) are here in my opinion non-runners. I would favour 4-5 storey residential developments.
I think your optimism is misplaced, the strand is quite a historic area, the red brick houses beside the barracks, and the barracks themselves still show the bullet holes from the civil war, one of the houses being knocked is from only 50 years after the sieges. I’d be surprised if Limerick Civic Trust didn’t start showing an interest in this soon. AFAIK, Priory Park has a pretty dedicated residents group, so don’t be surprised to see plenty of objection to 49 apartments
I don’t see what exactly 4/5 storeys would do the enhance the area, or the river. Looking at how the Claddagh area in Galway in being ruined by apartment blocks I’d be nervous of anything of their type re-appearing in Limerick, especially considering how little Steamboat Quay and other apartment blocks have given the riverfront.
As soon as the Hilton(?) is built, I think the next major development on either strand will have to around the Golden Vale sites. The land here is completely underutilised, sure Golden Vale could operate as easily from a cheaper location and sell off the land for a high price? I imagine St. Michaels might be due a windfall for their corner of the bank.
@justnotbothered wrote:
I don’t see what exactly 4/5 storeys would do the enhance the area, or the river. Looking at how the Claddagh area in Galway in being ruined by apartment blocks I’d be nervous of anything of their type re-appearing in Limerick, especially considering how little Steamboat Quay and other apartment blocks have given the riverfront.
Clancy Strand
Well some 200 years ago, 4 storey over basement Georgian buildings started to appear in Limerick, their height have always enhanced the city e.g. the Hartstonge Street block over looking the peoples park. If the right type of building design is chosen, coupled with a properly landscaped river front, a long row of trees, widened promenade, etc, etc. (i.e. creating a walking amenity / open space). Then I believe it would work. Though I share your “nervous†reservations (Claddagh district), I would like to know how you would like to see this part of Clancy Strand developed or conserved?
The growing population of Limerick is already exerting pressure on building land, the building of bungalows, detached / semi-detached dwellings require green field sites in the country side. The negative environmental impacts of this way of living is not sustainable. The trend to live in city apartments is a more balanced one. Their success depends on having appropriate open spaces nearby. I’m sure we will witness a lot of development yet on the river front (Golden Vale and St. Michaels boat Club?), I dearly hope that they get it quality-wise right.
@justnotbothered wrote:
As soon as the Hilton(?) is built, I think the next major development on either strand will have to around the Golden Vale sites. The land here is completely underutilised, sure Golden Vale could operate as easily from a cheaper location and sell off the land for a high price? I imagine St. Michaels might be due a windfall for their corner of the bank.
The golden vale site was included in the initial docklands/riverfront land use survey, i presume it is still very much part of the masterplan that is currently being drawn up, afaik it was recommended for medium-high density residential development. Theres no doubt that this will happen soon enough, since golden vale was taken over by kerry group, many of their properties in prime locations have been sold off for development and really there hasnt been much activity on this site for a good few years now so i dont really see kerry holding onto it for much longer!
Another important riverside site is the old esb offices on bishops quay, this site was acquired by the bank of scotland last year and i presume we’re going to see a proposal fairly soon, they certainly have a lot to live up to with riverpoint next door!
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