well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?
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@ShaneP wrote:
In the mean time I think it would be a great idea if the city council along with local restaurants and perhaps someone like the Belltable Film Club could organise outdoor films during the summer in the park.
Great idea. Speaking of films, does anyone know what in tarnation is happening with the Theatre Royal? It is over 2 years since a group, under the auspices of The Belltable, won a 750, 000 Euro grant from the Cultural Cinema Consortium (arts council). As I understood it at the time, the plan was to use this money to transform the Theatre Royal into a permanent Art House theatre. Nothing at all seems to have happened since then.
This is from the Arts Council website:
“In July 2003, under Phase One of the Consortium’s capital investment scheme, it awarded capital investment funding valued at €750,000 each also to Kino in Cork and Belltable’s Filmhouse in Limerick for development of art house cinema.” linkThat page also announces funding for Solas in Galway, and the Light House in Dublin.
So what’s happening with the Limerick money? I know the Belltable Film Club was being run out of the old Central Studio but has now retreated to the Belltable itself as that building is soon to be partially demolished (see above). Is the money simply being used to run the film club itself? Are there now no plans to transform the Theatre Royal?
Anyone have any idea what’s happening?
I think there’s been a lot of talk in recent years about relocating the Belltable which probably includes the film club, but seeing as no action has taken place on that issue, it follows that nothing has happened with the film club, which is a pity as I think Kino in Cork has gotten off the ground and the IFI in Dublin is a very successful facility, and a fairly impressive building too – lets hope the funding will still be available when they get their act together!
Ok,
I don’t see why Limerick would waste an opportunity like this, Hopefully the arts project goes ahead, it will give something back to the city , especially when the city centre has no cinema!
Relation to Arthurs quay park
I agree with you Shane, about the views and landmark site, but I’d prefer some sort of a look out building or theatre/ opera house to signify the importance of the river etc.What do you think of that idea?
Now I wouldn’t like to see an office tower or a hotel there but I just don’t think the park is working, the park is dead to me; it’s been always quiet when visited it.
If they carried out some work and try alleviating the problem and livening up the place and putting some annual festival there for one,For two, they should have direct guides/directions all over the city for the various fields of Interest, such as Arthur’s Quay.
Just recap on something I said previously about the city centre, there are no signs in detail for tourists
and people to get directions on thr streets of the city centre, Now real full plan or howw to get to certain places, let’s say O’Connell’s street to King johns Castle or Pery Park?
Turborg,
thanks for your pics Its give us clarity and an idea to the extent and scale of the new city development. 🙂
Glad to see buildings been protected. Good planning sense 🙂
On the last pic of yours,
I spotted some board woks and canal boat bays(whatever you call them)been built all up the Abbey river quite exciting to see the river is been developed for recreationaland pleasure.I believe its part of the Park canal project.
The Edward st dev, I must admit the more i see it , the more Iike it,
the is a few sites in around there that will popp up and will balance out this dev .
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Here's a pic of the tourist office (when it was just built)
[/align:2bfaqbyx]also anyone interested to know about a few bridges in Limerick
link>http://www.limerick-leader.ie/issues/20050903/editorial03.htmThe Connahgcross SC pics,
It will be opened in 2008 par with the Shannon tunnel opening date.The site plan and land layout
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main entrance and external building
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Foodcourt
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http://www.coonaghcross.com/downloads.htm
http://www.coonaghcross.ieI think the external building is awesome…
Be jaysus – great pictures – it’s fairly dramatic looking alright – are the shop signs on the website images aspirational rather than reality, cause i’m sure i spotted a sign for Niketown there somewhere. Niketown….. in Limerick….and not in Cork… or Dublin for that matter. Is Coonagh Cross the new Heaven or something like? And H&M in the Crescent – think Limerick’s your only man for all your tracksuit and trendy cardigan needs. (apparently that’s what’s cool for school this season)
🙂 @ShaneP wrote:
Be jaysus – great pictures – it’s fairly dramatic looking alright – are the shop signs on the website images aspirational rather than reality, cause i’m sure i spotted a sign for Niketown there somewhere. Niketown….. in Limerick….and not in Cork… or Dublin for that matter. Is Coonagh Cross the new Heaven or something like? And H&M in the Crescent – think Limerick’s your only man for all your tracksuit and trendy cardigan needs. (apparently that’s what’s cool for school this& season)
Yep, very exciting indeed,
A lot of retailers are coming to Limerick, Including Tk max and more big names coming to the parkway retail park extension! Soon to get started once the planning goes through.The Crescent will be awesome when’s its finished.
But sadly Limerick lacks M&S]Childers Road Retail Park [/B] – Phase 2 & 3
Construction is underway for Phase 2 of the Childers Road Retail Park in Limerick. KFC and Pizza Hut have taken units which are due to open in November 2005.
And B&Q are opening tomorrow, Thursday 8th september
Argos and Arcadia have taken units for the third Phase of the development which will begin in August 2005 and will see the park’s size increase for 258,000 sqft.Working on pics…
BTW,
Out of curiosity, Dunne’s have not only has it’s store in the Parkway shopping centre
(Which is currently being revamped)
They have new store on the Childers rd, and is huge!
Yet again they have stores approximately 2 minutes from each other.Sounds like deja vous. E.g. the city centre debate with Sarsfield Street
Anyone have any idea whats in the plans for this building, WB.The name of the building in the picture attached is: Sarsfield House, I think it was built in the late 70’s and is the main office of the Revenue Commisioners. I know its not exactly stunning and I wouldn’t be shedding too many tears if it disappeared, but I do actually fing it somehow lilkeable, on account of its scale. It’s fairly imposing?
Thanks for notifying me the name of the building;
.I suppose your right on the building.
I wouldn’t miss it much either.But one hand for a building that old it’s not a bad design either.
Now that you mentioned building, I did come across something online stating that a lot of the offices are now vacant.I was alsomixed up with Saesfield hall so that caused me confusion
But now that i mention that to , I’m shocked that that building got the price of 10.8 mlllionlink:http://www.unison.ie/classifieds/property/commercial/stories.php?ca=151&si=1459476
“Relation to Arthurs quay park
I agree with you Shane, about the views and landmark site, but I’d prefer some sort of a look out building or theatre/ opera house to signify the importance of the river etc.What do you think of that idea?”
Is the idea of highlighting the importance of the river really be best served by destroying one of the city’s few large public spaces and hiding the river behind a large building where only a select group of users are able to enjoy it? I think it would be best to utilise the potential of the surrounding sites in raising the profile of both the park and the river, ex. refurbishment of Arthur’s Quay S.C and perhaps the development of a new Belltable Arts centre at Sarsfield S.C , which could have foyers overlooking both ammenities and be linked in it’s over all design to its surroundings by means of a semi enclosed public space from the park, thru’ the centre and up to the level of Sarsfied Bridge.
Interstin idea Shane, It takes a while to work it out though, but i have the idea in mind! i’ll give more feedback
more feedback later
Just to start a based topic,
There has been many talks and development on new builings and retail malls and regeneration etc.What about Living over the shop scheme and Apartements in the city?
what’ the market situation in the city and how much units are going up?any major apartements dev, popping up at present?
To start from something , there has been a planning appication for 20 apartements on Mary st, wonder if this is significant???
Cant make up my mind about the coonagh cross centre, im not really a big fan of shopping centres like these, theres always something very bland and monotonous about them, they all seem to look the same and when you’re inside in one you could almost be in any shopping centre anywhere, they all look the same to me, in fairness to coonagh cross at least they’ve included a public park in the plans, similar to the park planned for the parkway valley centre only smaller!
There has been very little news recently about planning decisions for these 2 shopping centres, the application for the parkway valley was submitted last christmas and not a lot has been heard about it since, the project is located in both limerick city and limerick county councils jurisdictions so obviously a good deal of consultation has to take place, this is a big call for both of them as such a large development in a sensitive area needs to be studied in serious detail, i personally dont think the present road infastructure on that side of town can take the extra pressure, i mean you’re going to have a large shopping centre and office and business park in the one site, thats gonna mean a lot of extra cars, im not sure if the proposed centre is going to have access to the new castletroy link roads?
Id be concerned that a lot of the new retailers looking to set up in limerick are mostly only interested in suburban shopping centres, for me you cant beat the city centre for shopping, it should be THE place for core retailing, the problem is rents and parking costs are too high because the city boundary is too small, limerick county council is cleaning up with rates from the likes of the crescent, raheen industrial estate and the national technological park!, also there is a lack of vacant, suitably sized premises on o connell street especially! If right was right the likes of supermacs and burgerking should be booted out of the street to make way for proper retailers and theres a lot more examples other than these!
Theres still no word on the anchor for the royal george site, a lot of rumours still say its marks & spencer, this would be a big boost especially as a number of retailers feel they have no option but to move to te suburbs as their existing units just arent big enough, hopefully hmv and river island wont close their city stores when they open outlets in the crescent!
Its a real pity about o connell street though, it isnt a patch on the street it was in times past, commercially or architecturally 🙁
🙂 Limerick hasn’t got a major SC since the Crescent in terms of size.
This centre will give more choice and completion.
As you have mentioned the Parkway river valley is another proposal, an interesting one too
And the plan was part of a retail strategy for the Caherdavin area,
Likewise so is the parkway centre etc.These centres are carefully planned out to be major regional centres outside of Limerick core area
But like most out of town shopping centres comes with pros and cons.To back up the Coonagh cross centre
It makes sense to have a major centre that’s serves most of that side of the city. (Caherdavin)
When you think back to a few years ago, you only had the likes of the Dunne’s and a few local SC
There is nealy 45,000 people living across the Shannon (Clare side)Now with the Jetland and Coonaghcross located excellently near all major routes, rail line, having a direct route to the city centre, The Shopping centre will open the same time as the Shannon Tunnel (without delay) and also even a public park as you said.
There also plans for a Cinema there (pity there wasn’t one for the city centre)
In my opinion they’re thinking right for that area , and is all part of the local area plan.
I think it will work.
Your point on the architecture of the centre, I totally agree, as there are the same as most new Shopping centres, but the real verdict is when you step your foot inside when it openness.Another strong point is people living at this side of city won’t have to worm and traverse through the city to get to the parkway and raheen areas for shopping, which is not logic! As you have to cross the Shannon
These centres are carefully planned out to be major regional centres outside of Limerick core area and act as a counterbalance to the city centre,
But like most out of town shopping centres comes with pros and consIts worrying, to see the scale and pace of development all around the rim of the city.
But it can’t be affecting the city if there is so much investment and confidence pumped city centre.
No matter what you will always get footfall in the city centre as a lot of people still wish to shop where does buzz and get the local stuff this is where the. “Atmosphere” is.
Any visits I have made to Limerick and CBD area recently, was a hive of activity, cranes, aliveness and people everywhere! That can’t be a bad sign!
As regards to the city centre upkeep
The council have finally put their feet down and getting their act together and focusing on the city centre once and for all
(Here’s a link for the rates dilemma that affects the city.)
http://www2.limerickpost.ie/fullnews.elive?id=66&category=newsThey are concentrating on getting the city into a more pedestrian friendly and totally repaving and cleaning up the streets.
They are well in the advanced stage.O’Connell’s is due to start very shortly
Plans are set for Williams’s st, finally
Bedford row has started its pedstrianisation (will open with the Bedford row redevelopment)
Tress and hanging baskets, outdoor seating and stonework, will decorated in all the city centre’s streets.
Catherine Street and Thomas Street, Patricks st, Davis st, Pery st , glenthworth st, Denmark st and other laneways and sides streets will also be enhanced.Bus lanes are due to start on O’Connell’s street as part of the city council public transport plan.
The street is to be designed for Public transport and taxi (like O’Connell street in Dublin)
A link to a current bus lane proposal as part of the overall the public transport plan
http://www2.limerickpost.ie/fullnews.elive?id=45&category=newsAgree with you about O’Connell’s street.
But when this project is completed along with new regeneration of Ellen and Rutland st areas it will bring down the rates, further benefiting the city centre.All good news for Limerick
Shane where did you get your images of the Pedstrianisation plan?
I have one her that you posted,
just want to highlight it agan,
If you could you get more it would a great help ,as i can’t seem to find any sources
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Anyone got updates/news on the Shannon rail link ?
News flash,the fanmuos Dillions garage on the dublin rd has been sold, and will be refurbished and extended with further retail units
B&Q are opening todayHere’s a map to show all the scale of this Huge shopping complex at Ellen st and Michael st area
Quite big noe that o look at it. 🙂
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[/align:7opx9nh4]Personally, I don’t find the whole shopping centre experience that interesting either, they’re either mobbed or dead, with no in between and shops tend to be at the bland end of the spectrum. It’s easy enough to criticise all things suburban as it is at the moment and the idea that Limerick and most other places in Ireland will have little to differentiate themselves from New Jersey or Arizona (the way things are going) is fairly depressing. Hopefully things can change soon.
It is good, in some respects to see larger international chainstores like H&M etc coming to the mid west, however If the experience of Dundrum S.C. is anything to go by we’re in for a big dissappointment. Most shops there, fail drastically in comparison to the major chains flagship stores in places like London and New York – kinda get the feeling they send all the left over rubbish stock to Ireland and sell it at inflated prices to celtic tiger cubs.
It would be best if a more proactive approach was taken by the city council and others in identifying potential sites for large retailers to locate in a scattered manner throughout the city centre, rather than being bunched together in large inaccessible forgettable warehouses. Such a strategy would mean that these big chains could get people into the city who would then be inclined to support smaller indigineous businesses nearby.
Here’s a link to the retail strategy for the mid west –
http://www.limerickcity.ie/services/planning/documents/Final_Regional_Strategy_February_03.pdf
Great bed time reading!! I think the over all gist is that the Limerick area can support another 80000 sq. m. of retail space by 2011. The main facts are on page c.29/30 and 79. Have fun!
Where did the red line on your map for the new centre in town come from Dave123? It’s a huge area and seems to indicate that the Watergate Flats will have to be done away with along with many other newish developments?
As for the living over the shop scheme – haven’t heard too much about it but here’s a copy of some promo material i got (along with the pedestrianisation stuff) from the LImerick Co-ordination Office) a while back – John’s Square was included too.
Thanks for that Shane, I wonder if the Living over the shop scheme is successful as it failed in other towns from my what I have heard.
Also I really like Bakers place gives off a continental feel to the area not to mention the stunning mix of architecture and old and new!
I enjoyed reading the retail strategy of the Midwest, but
There a few things that are outdated, even considering its only two years old
But quite structural and detailed though!Nenagh is to get 2 new shopping centres, (tescos, Supervalu and revamped O’Connor’s) and retail warehousing park (Streame)-which will ahve an adcvanced factory, 400 houses, creche, retail warehousing,public park,playground,shops(supervalue) and other entertainment (cinema)etc
The old O’mears hotel site is currently making way for a new street, called quintan’s way which will link Friars street and Peasr st up to 12 mixed units going in there which will be a great boost for the town and region , which is a familiar thing that happens in Limerick and Ennis regions. just thought i could add this bit of information, considering the connections with Limerick 😀I marked the red line in. and that’s just to show the whole area of the development, not necessarily every inch of it will be developed within those lines as its a rough estimate.
But having said that block is massive
Also some more exciting news 🙂
Strand Hotel starts soonBy CLODAGH O’LEARY
IT was confirmed this Thursday that construction of €75 million development on the site of the former Strand Hotel will begin in two weeks.
An Bord Pleanála announced this week that residents had withdrawn their objections to the development, leaving Damesfield Ltd, fronted by Galway-based John Lally, free to commence work there.
Project manager of the development for Damesfield, John Moran told the Limerick Leader that provisional work had commenced on the site already.
“We are currently on site, removing the basic construction, and we hope to begin work there in two weeks,†he said.
“First, we will have to remove the existing hotel building and then we can proceed with constructing the new hotel, followed by the apartments,†he added.
The development on the Ennis Road site will see the construction of a 184-bedroom 4/5 star hotel, with a 450-seat banqueting/conference hall, 136 one, two and three bedroomed luxury apartments and a 400 plus capacity underground car park on the site.
“We expect work on the hotel to take about 12 months, and the underground car park will also be finished by then,†he said.
He added that the apartment block would be in place by Spring 2007.
Planning permission for the development was granted by the City Council on May 6 last, but residents in the adjacent Strand Court apartments were unhappy with the potential traffic problems and appealed the decision on May 27.
However, residents wrote to An Bord Pleanála last week informing them they wished to withdraw their appeal.
Originally, the plan allowed for 157 one, two and three bedroom apartments, but one of the conditions of permission was that the number be reduced to 136.
“We think that the planning conditions agreed on with Limerick City Council addressed the concerns of most residents, particularly in relation to the car park and the height of the apartment block—we lost 19 apartments from our original plan, and a full storey off one building,†said Mr Moran.
“We agreed with the Council to a shared car park. During the day, the hotel would have a lot of people coming in and using the car park, while apartment residents were out. Again, this would mean a reduction in the number of cars parked in the area. And the changes to our plan mean that 20 spaces would be freed up in the car park,†he said.
But before construction work commences, the historic Mayors’ Memorial will be temporarily removed from the site to prevent any damage.
The monument, on the corner of O’Callaghan Strand and the Ennis Road, was erected in honour of two Limerick mayors—Seoirse Clancy and Michael O’Callaghan, who died in 1921.
“Some of the plaques will be sent away for restoration before being reinstalled in the new memorial which will be unveiled with the new hotel in August/September 2006,†a spokesman for Damesfield said.
how many stories is the propsed hotel, im a bit confused as there are qiute a number of hotels going up that way?
has anyone seen or been in the new B&Q on the Tipperary road
also heres an interesting link about Limerick
http://www.limerickpost.ie/dailynews.elive?id=6677&category=Daily-Sat
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Does this look familar? maybe not ….
It appears that Limerick was fond of tall buildings even in the olden days!
and this is definatly deja vous ! 😀Its the same site as where the Riverpoint is soaring today 😎
Another vital link for and development in Limerick etc. http://www.limerickcity.ie/services/planning/devplan/dp_p1_chapter_10.pdf@ShaneP wrote:
Personally, I don’t find the whole shopping centre experience that interesting either, they’re either mobbed or dead, with no in between and shops tend to be at the bland end of the spectrum. It’s easy enough to criticise all things suburban as it is at the moment and the idea that Limerick and most other places in Ireland will have little to differentiate themselves from New Jersey or Arizona (the way things are going) is fairly depressing. Hopefully things can change soon.
You’ve seen one shopping centre, you’ve seen a mall…….
Limerick Leader wrote:Questions are raised over 12 areas left out of county planMORE than a dozen County Limerick villages have not been included as designated development locations in the County Development Plan.
Deputy Dan Neville said that this meant that people who wished to build houses in these centres will be refused unless they satisfed the rules relating to open rural areas. That means that only local rural persons or returned locals would be considered, he said.
He also said that he failed to see how the planners had decided on where was in and where was out.
“I know of one applicant who wanted to build on a site between a school and a church, and directly across the road from a community centre, but was refused,†he said. “I welcome the inclusion of Kilcornan, but why not Ballysteen, with a church, a school, a post office and playing facilities?
“Croagh is in and I welcome the developments there, but why not Kilfinny? Athlacca is included, but not Dromin. Strand is in, but Monagea is out,†he said. He listed other villages which, he said, should be encouraged to develop. These included Granagh, Grange, Coolcappa and Kilcolman, Colmanswell, Bulgaden and Martinstown, Effin, Rockhill, Cappagh, Cloncagh and Manister.
Deputy Neville said that maps of the more than 80 villages which had been included in the plan had had boundaries shown which indicated the planners’ preferred development area in each case.
He called on the county manager, Ned Gleeson, to bring a motion before Council to reinstate those places which had been regarded as recognised villages until now, and to actively promote suitable residential and other development in them. “It is the policy of all councils and is that of the Minister to encourage village development, such a at Croagh, to ensure the viability of the church, shop, school, sporting and other facilities,†said Deputy Neville.
The Council’s chief planner, Jimmy Feane, said that the indication of settlement boundaries in villages was a new departure, and was quite in keeping with Council policy to encourage the development of villages.
“We identified those places which already had the nucleus of a settlement in which people might be encouraged to live]
Any thoughts?
I would like to see people discuss why this was the correct or incorrect decision in each case; it is a pretty interesting article raising a very valid concern considering the dispersed development pattern that afflicts the county.
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