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  • #750511
    Paul Clerkin
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    @CC105 wrote:

    Agreed the building could do more to face the city but hopefully the new city will be built up around it.

    How? They’ve largely just rebuilt the entire area.

    #750512
    CC105
    Participant

    @Paul Clerkin wrote:

    How? They’ve largely just rebuilt the entire area.

    Hopefully when Spencer Dock is finished and the other plots between it and the remodelled Point Depot are
    built on, the U2 tower will be more joined up with the city.
    Now I am dreaming but if that highrise island mooted a while back was built and the port moved then who knows.

    #750513
    DJM
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    Sweet Jesus!!! Zaha Hadid’s design is absolutely horiffic. Hawkins House MkII for the 21st century. Absolutely love Foster’s design though. Top marks 🙂

    #750514
    ake
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    anyone else have a problem with the crookedness? you can’t see the other part from practically anywhere but the east link bridge.

    #750515
    massamann
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    My opinions on the two designs are switching. Seeing these latest renders, the Leaning Tower aspect of the Foster design becomes much more obvious. And I’m not sure that it works. It’s not counterbalanced by anything; it doesn’t interact with anything. It looks like it’s about to topple into the river, like a drunk stepping off a curb.

    On the other hand, the Hadid renders look far more dynamic than I had originally thought. The ratio of the tower is still a little deep for my liking, and the colours chosen a little too grey, but it certainly is iconic (for good or bad).

    Now though, like practically everybody else in this thread, I just want them to get on and build something. We’ve had our talks, we’ve had our competitions, there’s no right or wrong answer. Just get on with it….

    #750516
    ForzaIrlanda
    Participant

    I have to say I’m glad that Hadid’s design wasn’t chosen. It’s really weird looking. And that bit that slinks along and joins up with the tower element of the building looks stupid the way it juts out over the road/river ( I dont know how far out it goes).

    #750517
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    have to take back my initial comments on Hadid’s proposal based on the original render …

    Quite like it from the top left shot –

    Still overall though, a lot of bulk & brawn from many angles & I don’t think it has the height to carry it off.

    Good to see fosters from down the quays,

    I’m convinced it needs to rise to its pinacle @ 180m to work.

    #750518
    Urban_Form
    Participant

    Here’s some more

    #750519
    massamann
    Participant

    You’re killing me here…. 🙁

    #750520
    BTH
    Participant

    Great renders but the buildings not getting any better looking…

    #750521
    cokedrinker
    Participant

    the images of the hadid proposal are of terrible quality… are they photographs of newspaper images?
    I like the view of the tower from the point theatre… the physical model in the bottom right of the last images is nice… but the horizontal element does kind of ruin it

    #750522
    -Donnacha-
    Participant

    @ake wrote:

    anyone else have a problem with the crookedness? you can’t see the other part from practically anywhere but the east link bridge.

    It’s like a picture that hasn’t been hung properly… I find myself tilting my head to one side as I look at it. And as people have said, there’s no visual counterpoint to it. Not sure if the poker-straight watchtower on the other side will make this better or worse.
    Has the DDDA actually sat down with a render of how both will look alongside each other? Does such an image even exist?
    I like it apart from the tilt, though. Hate the Hadid.

    #750523
    PTB
    Participant

    Has anyone pictures of the Vinoloy Propsal?

    And does anyone know what the fuck is the glittery glitzy finish on the outside of the building?

    #750524
    jdivision
    Participant

    There was one in Irish Times. Only one I’ve seen

    #750525
    vkid
    Participant

    @Paul Clerkin wrote:

    image and a detail from it…..
    doesn’t show much more that we can make out from the other renders

    courtesy of The Sunday Business Post

    every time i look at those images it looks more and more like the tail of aircraft heading away from the city. 😀
    or a pre-packed sandwich from centra

    #750526
    SOC
    Participant

    For those pedantic members who take exception to the odd typo in my last posting, please note that this article is directly from today’s Sunday Tribune.

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    Garry Miley

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    THE Dublin Docklands Development Authority was established in 1997 to plan the urban-renewal of the vast, derelict area of Dublin’s old port.

    Because the government recognised that our unsophisticated planning system would prevent anything from being built in the Docklands area ever, they came up with a new system where applications for development within the area could bypass the usual localauthority application/objections/Bord Pleanala route.

    The DDDA planning system could hardly have been more different from the one which applied (and more or less still applies) to the rest of the country. The way things work within the DDDA area is that planning approvals are really just a matter of routine, provided the proposal doesn’t stray outside the terms of an overall master plan.

    The DDDA planning system . . . copied from approaches found abroad . . . wasn’t refined enough. So this is what happened: in 2002, an architectural competition was held by the DDDA to design a new skyscraper . . . the U2 Tower . . . for a prominent site within its area. A winner was selected. But by 2005 everyone realised the winning scheme was too small to be economically feasible. So the building was redesigned to the point that, when finally built, it would be the tallest occupied structure in Ireland.

    Because the bewildering planning process that applies to you, me and everyone else in Ireland doesn’t apply to the area within the Docklands, the tower redesign was approved with the minimum fuss. No protracted Bord Pleanala hearings, no Prime Time Investigates.

    At the start of this year the DDDA invited developers to tender on the approved, enlarged building. But on 12 October, when the ‘provisional’ winner of the tender competition was announced, the design of the building had, somehow, mysteriously, completely and utterly changed.

    Instead of the design-competitionwinning-but-enlarged proposal which had been approved by the nodding of a few DDDA heads in 2006, we were now to have a totally different building which no one had ever seen before. A Norman Foster. In making the announcement for the radically changed design, the DDDA . . . knowing they wouldn’t be hindered by planning setbacks . . . predicted the Foster Tower would be completed by 2011.

    Now, since the 12 October announcement of the ‘provisional’ winner, newspaper and internet chatter has focused on the kind of business-page minutiae which only investment portfolio anoraks really care about: will sore-losing developer X sue the DDDA over some possible breach of fine print/conflict of interest/competition regulations? Or will X hold their whisht in the hope of having a crack at some new money printing project the DDDA have up their sleeves for further along the river?

    What I can’t understand is why the media, the opposition parties, the local community and everyone else whose been following the game has managed to avoid asking the central question, which is: how can it be, in a country where the average citizen can spend years of their life waiting for An Bord Pleanala to refuse planning permission for an inconsequential house extension, that the emirate of the Dublin Docklands can publicly present the soon to be tallest building in the state . . . a below-par McFoster . . . as a fait accompli through some shoddy, press-leaked 3-D images?

    Am I the only one who thinks this is strange?

    #750527
    Mick
    Participant

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    Spot the difference!

    I wonder if anyone in the Ballymore/U2 team realised that they were being sold a second hand pup?

    Foster’s design for Deutsche Bank in Sydney is ten years old. Did no-one at the DDDA or any one of the eminent architects on the judging panel notice the remarkable similarity?

    Hardly the breath-taking innovative design we were told we were getting, more a case of here’s one I prepared earlier.

    #750528
    jdivision
    Participant

    @SOC wrote:

    For those pedantic members who take exception to the odd typo in my last posting,

    Hold on a second. You changed the copy to say that Riverside II had bid e75 million when in fact they had bid more than e100 million. That’s not being pedantic and it’s a lot more than a typo. You changed the copy and made it incorrect.

    #750529
    CC105
    Participant

    Have to wonder why the government does not use section 25 or similar status for critical infrastructure, off thread here but lots of critical comment on infrastructure in the Sunday Business Post today.

    #750530
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    @jdivision wrote:

    I don’t think it is. I think they’re talking separately about the two projects. The sentence structure isn’t great though

    Sky News and sentence structure?

    My favourite mistake in recent times was when a press conference was organised regarding plans to clone embryos- the scrolling bar initially said: Cloned embryo plans news conference shortly, subsequently amended to read: Cloned embryo plans: news conference shortly.

    😀

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