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  • #750491
    darkman
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    alternative image of the design has been obtained by users of architectural discussion forum

    hehe its gone now.

    #750492
    jdivision
    Participant

    SOC’s article printed above is not the actual article. This is. SOC if you’re going to use media articles please reproduce in full and don’t alter it to make it incorrect.

    Winning bid for U2 tower is almost €30m under highest offer
    28 October 2007 By Neil Callanan
    The winning consortium for the U2 tower is believed to have bid almost €30 million less for the site than the highest bid submitted.

    The Riverside II Partnership is understood to have bid at least €100 million for the site, while Sean Dunne is understood to have bid about €75 million.

    The Geranger consortium which comprises Ballymore Properties, Paddy McKillen and U2 band members and management is believed to have bid a figure of slightly more than €70 million for the site. McKillen is believed to own only a small slice of Geranger, whose bid is said to have been a relatively straightforward cash offer.

    The Dublin Docklands Development Authority (DDDA), which ran the competition to select a developer of the tower and a new design (the third) for the building, said it could not comment on the price offered by Ballymore and its partners and how it matched up against other bids.

    ‘‘The tender process is ongoing,” said a spokeswoman.

    ‘‘This is commercially sensitive data which cannot be released at this time.”

    It is estimated that the U2 Tower scheme will cost over €200 million to design and build. Construction is expected to start in 2008 and be completed by 2011.The winning bid comprises a 120-metre tower with a hotel, shops and apartments designed by Foster + Partners.

    At the top of the tower will be a suspended egg-shaped pod which will house U2’s studios.

    So far, the DDDA has only released a night time render of the building. Night time images are notoriously difficult to judge a building’s quality by because, among other things, they don’t show the materials used or shadowing impacts.

    When asked why it has not released daytime renders, the DDDA said ‘‘that the release of images is a matter for the docklands authority. All images will be released at the end of the tender process.”

    However, an alternative image of the design has been obtained by users of architectural discussion forum https://archiseek.com and posted on their website.

    The new tower design was described by the DDDA as ‘‘inspirational’’ and ‘‘one of the most significant architectural projects to be delivered in the regeneration of the Docklands area’’.

    DDDA chief executive Paul Maloney said the ‘‘submission exceeded the expectations of the brief with the emergence of a breathtaking design uniquely suited to this prominent docklands site’’.

    From certain angles, the tower bears a resemblance to Deutsche Bank Place, the bank’s headquarters at 126 Philips Street in Sydney in Australia, which was designed by the same architects.

    The losing members of the shortlist are believed to have met last week to discuss their options. They each spent at least €1 million, according to one well-placed source, and one of the bids cost as much as €2.5 million.

    When the shortlist of developers was announced, the DDDA’s press release omitted to mention U2’s involvement with Ballymore in the process.

    U2’s involvement with Geranger was, however, made known to all bidders prior to bidding, the DDDA spokeswoman said.

    It only became publicly known that U2 was involved with Ballymore when the authority’s legal representatives, A &L Goodbody, wrote to the other bidders, stating that the band and its representatives had not had any role in drawing up the rules for the contest. That letter was then leaked to the media.

    To ‘‘underpin the independence’’ of the assessment process, the authority felt it necessary to appoint Chris Wilkinson of Wilkinson Eyre Architects, Shih-Fu Peng of Heneghan Peng Architects and Michael O’Doherty, former principal architect at the Office of Public Works, to advise it on the bids.

    They decided that the Foster design and the Geranger bid was the best submission for the site.

    #750493
    darkman
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    Some of the media seem to be mixing up the Clarence hotel revamp and the U2 tower.

    http://www.designbuild-network.com/news/news2866.html

    Architects Slam Foster’s U2 Project

    24 October 2007 16:17

    The Foster + Partner’s design for U2 tower has met criticism online, according to online peer review site Archiseek, which found one third of surveyed members did not agree with the end design.

    The plans to redesign Dublin’s Clarence Hotel into Ireland’s tallest building should not be allowed to go ahead, architects say.

    The skyscraper will feature a skycatcher atrium that resembles spaceship that will be visible across the city.

    The Clarence Hotel is owned by Bono and The Edge of U2.

    Dublin City Council is looking into their application to demolish four neighbouring listed buildings to transform the site.

    By Penny Jones

    ‘Slammed’ might be a tad harsh. If anything I think that a minority of people here actually dislike Foster’s design. I think most of the problems are not with the design, but rather, the competition. Though I hope this project is held up no longer. I think its time to get on with it or we will be here in 2012 with a new design:rolleyes:

    The skyscraper will feature a skycatcher atrium that resembles spaceship that will be visible across the city.

    😀 She must be smoking something……surely….

    #750494
    theman
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    darkman wrote:
    I think its time to get on with it or we will be here in 2012 with a new design:rolleyes:/

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    Yeah, but the DDDA won’t – this is going down the road of the DDDA wasting €10m plus on three different designs, without a sod being turned and DDDA dissappearing into oblivion. The CEO will be happily back in DCC when all the fuss has blown over….
    #750495
    igy
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    The plans to redesign Dublin’s Clarence Hotel into Ireland’s tallest building should not be allowed to go ahead, architects say.

    Buh…?

    @theman wrote:

    If anything I think that a minority of people here actually dislike Foster’s design. I think most of the problems are not with the design, but rather, the competition. Though I hope this project is held up no longer. I think its time to get on with it or we will be here in 2012 with a new design:rolleyes:

    Agreed, just build the damn thing already!

    #750496
    -Donnacha-
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    darkman wrote:
    Some of the media seem to be mixing up the Clarence hotel revamp and the U2 tower. QUOTE]

    Weirdest twist yet…

    #750497
    Blisterman
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    I wonder why they haven’t released any renders showing the tower from the west side, along the quays.
    I think it would look really good from that perspective.

    Still prefer the original twisting design.

    #750498
    jdivision
    Participant

    I have one but file size is too big to upload.

    #750499
    GregF
    Participant

    @AndrewP wrote:

    @darkman wrote:

    Some of the media seem to be mixing up the Clarence hotel revamp and the U2 tower. QUOTE]

    Weirdest twist yet…

    True,….Sky News had it on Monday night relaying across the bottom of the screen and kinda saying that conservation groups were concered for the listed buildings located beside the new U2 tower.

    #750500
    theman
    Participant

    @theman wrote:

    @darkman wrote:

    I think its time to get on with it or we will be here in 2012 with a new design:rolleyes:

    Yeah, but the DDDA won’t – this is going down the road of the DDDA wasting €10m plus on three different designs, without a sod being turned and DDDA dissappearing into oblivion. The CEO will be happily back in DCC when all the fuss has blown over….

    #750501
    lostexpectation
    Participant

    woah total confusion wonder who wrote it
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1290655,00.html?f=rss

    edited to add

    David Norris says it looks one of those prepackaged sandwiches you’d buy in centra… 🙂

    so this new image still has these vague lines, where did the image with the solid extension above the peak of the building come from

    Penny jones cribbing Larissa Nolan cribbing archseek…

    #750502
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    image and a detail from it…..
    doesn’t show much more that we can make out from the other renders

    courtesy of The Sunday Business Post

    #750503
    jdivision
    Participant

    @lostexpectation wrote:

    woah total confusion wonder who wrote it
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1290655,00.html?f=rss

    I don’t think it is. I think they’re talking separately about the two projects. The sentence structure isn’t great though

    #750504
    damnedarchitect
    Participant

    Methinks it needs to go to 180m.

    Methinks it will.

    🙂

    #750505
    Urban_Form
    Participant

    More fotos of the Zaha Hadid design – far more dramatic in my opinion

    #750506
    cubix
    Participant

    Zaha Hadids design is perhaps the ugliest skyscraper ive ever seen,it amazes me how its even a topic of discussion. BTW those renders look pretty good!now all we need is someone to photoshop in the watchtower??any takers

    #750507
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Have to say I’m really not a fan of Foster’s design for this particular site. It doesn’t address its location properly: presenting a gable wall to the city, while its principal elevation is so narrow as to be at odds with the vast horizontal expanse of the Liffey. It’s as if it’s addressing or pointing to a specific point on the river – by virtue of its leaning character and its narrow main facade – and yet when you get down there, there’s, well, nothing.

    This critical corner site is more suited to a proud, upstanding, elegant statement that’s more outward looking; something that addresses the city at large as well as the corner site in question. It needs to be more all-encompassing, more democratic in appearance than what is proposed. What we have is rather self-absorbed – not necessarily a bad thing – but given this is to be the defining building of the Docklands to which all future towers are supposed to bow in deference, I’m not sure we have the right building. This design is more along the lines of one of those very smaller towers that wants to make a bit of a statement with a quirky shape, not the flagship that should be addressing the entire area.

    Does it not grate with anyone that a corner site is being filled with what is anything but a corner building? Personally I find it very jarring.

    #750508
    BTH
    Participant

    My god – that Hadid proposal is shockingly bad to my eyes, lumpy, bulky and completely lacking in elegance… Then again I think the Foster proposal is great! No accounting for taste eh?Actually I have one qualm – I think it would be better if it wasn’t leaning outwards towards the river, instead rising straight upwards – as Graham says it gives it a directionality as if it’s leaning to acknowlege or point towards something – which it isn’t. I actually disagree that the building is presenting it’s “gables” to the city – to me the main elevations are the sculptural ones with the potentially very interesting cladding design….

    #750509
    shamrockmetro
    Participant

    if zaha was stainless steel it might work…

    but some of zaha’s previous projects are not so impressive and she started by painting?

    I admire her line work style but it does not always translate… It only works on some projects

    It’s clear from this that foster had the most skilled 3d modeler / presentation / context photo and is a massive cut above the rest…

    If I was a judge I would almost know it was foster because of the same style used for the clarence night shot

    I would like to see the same artist do zaha’s as well then we could compare them fairly…

    #750510
    CC105
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    Graham H

    Future towers, stop dreaming! compared to IFSC II and other DDDA projects this is top quality stuff, hopefully once built it will finally end the highrise phobia. Agreed the building could do more to face the city but hopefully the new city will be built up around it.

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