Vertigo? U2 tower to be taller
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- October 29, 2007 at 5:59 pm #750491
darkman
Participantalternative image of the design has been obtained by users of architectural discussion forum
hehe its gone now.
October 29, 2007 at 9:19 pm #750492jdivision
ParticipantSOC’s article printed above is not the actual article. This is. SOC if you’re going to use media articles please reproduce in full and don’t alter it to make it incorrect.
Winning bid for U2 tower is almost €30m under highest offer
28 October 2007 By Neil Callanan
The winning consortium for the U2 tower is believed to have bid almost €30 million less for the site than the highest bid submitted.The Riverside II Partnership is understood to have bid at least €100 million for the site, while Sean Dunne is understood to have bid about €75 million.
The Geranger consortium which comprises Ballymore Properties, Paddy McKillen and U2 band members and management is believed to have bid a figure of slightly more than €70 million for the site. McKillen is believed to own only a small slice of Geranger, whose bid is said to have been a relatively straightforward cash offer.
The Dublin Docklands Development Authority (DDDA), which ran the competition to select a developer of the tower and a new design (the third) for the building, said it could not comment on the price offered by Ballymore and its partners and how it matched up against other bids.
‘‘The tender process is ongoing,” said a spokeswoman.
‘‘This is commercially sensitive data which cannot be released at this time.”
It is estimated that the U2 Tower scheme will cost over €200 million to design and build. Construction is expected to start in 2008 and be completed by 2011.The winning bid comprises a 120-metre tower with a hotel, shops and apartments designed by Foster + Partners.
At the top of the tower will be a suspended egg-shaped pod which will house U2’s studios.
So far, the DDDA has only released a night time render of the building. Night time images are notoriously difficult to judge a building’s quality by because, among other things, they don’t show the materials used or shadowing impacts.
When asked why it has not released daytime renders, the DDDA said ‘‘that the release of images is a matter for the docklands authority. All images will be released at the end of the tender process.”
However, an alternative image of the design has been obtained by users of architectural discussion forum https://archiseek.com and posted on their website.
The new tower design was described by the DDDA as ‘‘inspirational’’ and ‘‘one of the most significant architectural projects to be delivered in the regeneration of the Docklands area’’.
DDDA chief executive Paul Maloney said the ‘‘submission exceeded the expectations of the brief with the emergence of a breathtaking design uniquely suited to this prominent docklands site’’.
From certain angles, the tower bears a resemblance to Deutsche Bank Place, the bank’s headquarters at 126 Philips Street in Sydney in Australia, which was designed by the same architects.
The losing members of the shortlist are believed to have met last week to discuss their options. They each spent at least €1 million, according to one well-placed source, and one of the bids cost as much as €2.5 million.
When the shortlist of developers was announced, the DDDA’s press release omitted to mention U2’s involvement with Ballymore in the process.
U2’s involvement with Geranger was, however, made known to all bidders prior to bidding, the DDDA spokeswoman said.
It only became publicly known that U2 was involved with Ballymore when the authority’s legal representatives, A &L Goodbody, wrote to the other bidders, stating that the band and its representatives had not had any role in drawing up the rules for the contest. That letter was then leaked to the media.
To ‘‘underpin the independence’’ of the assessment process, the authority felt it necessary to appoint Chris Wilkinson of Wilkinson Eyre Architects, Shih-Fu Peng of Heneghan Peng Architects and Michael O’Doherty, former principal architect at the Office of Public Works, to advise it on the bids.
They decided that the Foster design and the Geranger bid was the best submission for the site.
October 31, 2007 at 12:29 am #750493darkman
ParticipantSome of the media seem to be mixing up the Clarence hotel revamp and the U2 tower.
http://www.designbuild-network.com/news/news2866.html
Architects Slam Foster’s U2 Project
24 October 2007 16:17
The Foster + Partner’s design for U2 tower has met criticism online, according to online peer review site Archiseek, which found one third of surveyed members did not agree with the end design.
The plans to redesign Dublin’s Clarence Hotel into Ireland’s tallest building should not be allowed to go ahead, architects say.
The skyscraper will feature a skycatcher atrium that resembles spaceship that will be visible across the city.
The Clarence Hotel is owned by Bono and The Edge of U2.
Dublin City Council is looking into their application to demolish four neighbouring listed buildings to transform the site.
By Penny Jones
‘Slammed’ might be a tad harsh. If anything I think that a minority of people here actually dislike Foster’s design. I think most of the problems are not with the design, but rather, the competition. Though I hope this project is held up no longer. I think its time to get on with it or we will be here in 2012 with a new design:rolleyes:
The skyscraper will feature a skycatcher atrium that resembles spaceship that will be visible across the city.
😀 She must be smoking something……surely….
October 31, 2007 at 8:42 am #750494theman
Participantdarkman wrote:I think its time to get on with it or we will be here in 2012 with a new design:rolleyes:/Quote:Yeah, but the DDDA won’t – this is going down the road of the DDDA wasting €10m plus on three different designs, without a sod being turned and DDDA dissappearing into oblivion. The CEO will be happily back in DCC when all the fuss has blown over….October 31, 2007 at 8:58 am #750495igy
ParticipantThe plans to redesign Dublin’s Clarence Hotel into Ireland’s tallest building should not be allowed to go ahead, architects say.
Buh…?
@theman wrote:
If anything I think that a minority of people here actually dislike Foster’s design. I think most of the problems are not with the design, but rather, the competition. Though I hope this project is held up no longer. I think its time to get on with it or we will be here in 2012 with a new design:rolleyes:
Agreed, just build the damn thing already!
October 31, 2007 at 8:01 pm #750496-Donnacha-
Participantdarkman wrote:Some of the media seem to be mixing up the Clarence hotel revamp and the U2 tower. QUOTE]Weirdest twist yet…
November 1, 2007 at 10:09 am #750497Blisterman
ParticipantI wonder why they haven’t released any renders showing the tower from the west side, along the quays.
I think it would look really good from that perspective.Still prefer the original twisting design.
November 1, 2007 at 10:11 am #750498jdivision
ParticipantI have one but file size is too big to upload.
November 1, 2007 at 10:14 am #750499GregF
Participant@AndrewP wrote:
@darkman wrote:
Some of the media seem to be mixing up the Clarence hotel revamp and the U2 tower. QUOTE]
Weirdest twist yet…
True,….Sky News had it on Monday night relaying across the bottom of the screen and kinda saying that conservation groups were concered for the listed buildings located beside the new U2 tower.
November 1, 2007 at 11:16 am #750500theman
Participant@theman wrote:
@darkman wrote:
I think its time to get on with it or we will be here in 2012 with a new design:rolleyes:
Yeah, but the DDDA won’t – this is going down the road of the DDDA wasting €10m plus on three different designs, without a sod being turned and DDDA dissappearing into oblivion. The CEO will be happily back in DCC when all the fuss has blown over….
November 1, 2007 at 1:08 pm #750501lostexpectation
Participantwoah total confusion wonder who wrote it
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1290655,00.html?f=rssedited to add
David Norris says it looks one of those prepackaged sandwiches you’d buy in centra… 🙂
so this new image still has these vague lines, where did the image with the solid extension above the peak of the building come from
Penny jones cribbing Larissa Nolan cribbing archseek…
November 1, 2007 at 1:21 pm #750502Paul Clerkin
Keymasterimage and a detail from it…..
doesn’t show much more that we can make out from the other renderscourtesy of The Sunday Business Post
November 1, 2007 at 1:29 pm #750503jdivision
Participant@lostexpectation wrote:
woah total confusion wonder who wrote it
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1290655,00.html?f=rssI don’t think it is. I think they’re talking separately about the two projects. The sentence structure isn’t great though
November 1, 2007 at 2:46 pm #750504damnedarchitect
ParticipantMethinks it needs to go to 180m.
Methinks it will.
🙂
November 1, 2007 at 4:43 pm #750505Urban_Form
ParticipantMore fotos of the Zaha Hadid design – far more dramatic in my opinion
November 1, 2007 at 4:53 pm #750506cubix
ParticipantZaha Hadids design is perhaps the ugliest skyscraper ive ever seen,it amazes me how its even a topic of discussion. BTW those renders look pretty good!now all we need is someone to photoshop in the watchtower??any takers
November 1, 2007 at 5:08 pm #750507GrahamH
ParticipantHave to say I’m really not a fan of Foster’s design for this particular site. It doesn’t address its location properly: presenting a gable wall to the city, while its principal elevation is so narrow as to be at odds with the vast horizontal expanse of the Liffey. It’s as if it’s addressing or pointing to a specific point on the river – by virtue of its leaning character and its narrow main facade – and yet when you get down there, there’s, well, nothing.
This critical corner site is more suited to a proud, upstanding, elegant statement that’s more outward looking; something that addresses the city at large as well as the corner site in question. It needs to be more all-encompassing, more democratic in appearance than what is proposed. What we have is rather self-absorbed – not necessarily a bad thing – but given this is to be the defining building of the Docklands to which all future towers are supposed to bow in deference, I’m not sure we have the right building. This design is more along the lines of one of those very smaller towers that wants to make a bit of a statement with a quirky shape, not the flagship that should be addressing the entire area.
Does it not grate with anyone that a corner site is being filled with what is anything but a corner building? Personally I find it very jarring.
November 1, 2007 at 6:03 pm #750508BTH
ParticipantMy god – that Hadid proposal is shockingly bad to my eyes, lumpy, bulky and completely lacking in elegance… Then again I think the Foster proposal is great! No accounting for taste eh?Actually I have one qualm – I think it would be better if it wasn’t leaning outwards towards the river, instead rising straight upwards – as Graham says it gives it a directionality as if it’s leaning to acknowlege or point towards something – which it isn’t. I actually disagree that the building is presenting it’s “gables” to the city – to me the main elevations are the sculptural ones with the potentially very interesting cladding design….
November 1, 2007 at 7:04 pm #750509shamrockmetro
Participantif zaha was stainless steel it might work…
but some of zaha’s previous projects are not so impressive and she started by painting?
I admire her line work style but it does not always translate… It only works on some projects
It’s clear from this that foster had the most skilled 3d modeler / presentation / context photo and is a massive cut above the rest…
If I was a judge I would almost know it was foster because of the same style used for the clarence night shot
I would like to see the same artist do zaha’s as well then we could compare them fairly…
November 1, 2007 at 8:30 pm #750510CC105
ParticipantGraham H
Future towers, stop dreaming! compared to IFSC II and other DDDA projects this is top quality stuff, hopefully once built it will finally end the highrise phobia. Agreed the building could do more to face the city but hopefully the new city will be built up around it.
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