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  • #750351
    JoePublic
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    Won’t they have to reapply for planning permission?

    #750352
    GrahamH
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    Yes I wonder if the hotel would be incorporated. It’d save them a heck of a lot of hassle – especially given Mr Smith’s recent determination to go all the way to the High Court – while also going some way towards validating the more recent ‘hiccups’ of the tower project.

    #750353
    ctesiphon
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    @JoePublic wrote:

    Won’t they have to reapply for planning permission?

    Dear DDDA,

    Re. Section 25 Application

    Can I build it?

    Thanks.

    Yours,

    N.

    PS One tall building is just like another, right?

    http://www.dublindocklands.ie/files/business/docs/14739gcdpischeme06q4.pdf

    #750354
    JoePublic
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    #750355
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster


    Foster + Partners,

    #750356
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    @JoePublic wrote:

    Won’t they have to reapply for planning permission?

    t is expected that construction will start next year, with a view to completion by 2011. No planning permission is required, as it is already covered by the Grand Canal Docks planning scheme.

    #750357
    ctesiphon
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    #750358
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    Docklands skyscraper to soar to 180m

    A skyscraper soaring 60m (197ft) higher than the Spire on O’Connell Street has been chosen by the Dublin Docklands Development Authority (DDDA) as the winner of the latest competition for the U2 Tower at Britain Quay. Frank McDonald , Environment Editor, reports.

    The sensational new scheme has the rock band’s eggshaped recording studio suspended beneath a battery of vertical wind turbines and a huge solar panel at the top. This “energy centre” will raise the overall height from 130m (427ft) to 180m (591ft).

    The tilted triangular tower, designed by Foster + Partners, will include a public viewing platform offering panoramic views over the city and Dublin Bay. This will be located just below U2’s “pod” studio, which will be separated from the structure for acoustic reasons.

    The scheme by Norman Foster’s practice, best known for the Swiss Re or “Gherkin” tower in the City of London, was commissioned by Geranger Ltd, a consortium consisting of Ballymore Properties, developer Paddy McKillen and the members of U2.

    Geranger was selected as “provisional preferred bidder” for the €200 million project. It was chosen ahead of rival tenders from: Treasury Holdings/Sisk; Mountbrook Homes, controlled by developer Seán Dunne; the Dutch-based Royal BAM Group; and the Riverside II Partnership.

    The Treasury Holdings/Sisk scheme, designed by Zaha Hadid, came second in the competition, which was assessed by Chris Wilkinson of Wilkinson Eyre Architects; Shih-Fu Peng of Heneghan Peng Architects; and Michael O’Doherty, former principal architect at the Office of Public Works.

    DDDA director of architecture John McLaughlin said the Foster scheme “had the edge because its public spaces were really well handled” and it provided a gateway to a new bridge over the river Dodder where it joins the Liffey alongside Britain Quay.

    In addition to the tower, which will largely comprise luxury apartments, the scheme includes a five-star hotel in a flanking building to the south, oversailing a block of 34 social and affordable apartments, which comprise 20 per cent of the overall residential content.

    As part of its renewable energy agenda, the south facade of the tower will be clad in solar panels, while the east and west facades will have a three-dimensional quality, “like fishscales”, and the north facade will be “quite sleek”, Mr McLaughlin said. The crinkly east and west facades will conceal generous balconies. Their treatment, as well as the overall profile of the scheme, was inspired by the saw-toothed roof of a warehouse that once stood on the site.

    DDDA chief executive Paul Maloney said the authority was “conscious that this is the most sought-after development in Dublin” and he paid tribute to all the bidders for the “immense amount” of work they had put into their entries and the “very exciting” designs they produced.

    “What we have is the combination of a very strong financial offer with a striking architectural result,” he added. Architectural quality took pre-eminence in the criteria used for judging the competition, accounting for 45 points compared to 40 for the financial aspects of each bid.

    Mr Maloney said the Geranger bid had been selected because it “exceeded the expectations of the brief with the emergence of a breathtaking design uniquely suited to this prominent Docklands site”, and it would provide an “inspirational landmark” for Dublin.

    The original U2 Tower, a twisting structure designed by Blackrock-based architects Burdon Craig Dunne Henry, was judged not feasible to build at a height of just 60m (197ft). So the bar was raised to 130m (427ft) and an adjoining site was added to “make the sums stack up”.

    It is expected that construction will start next year, with a view to completion by 2011. No planning permission is required, as it is already covered by the Grand Canal Docks planning scheme.
    © 2007 The Irish Times

    There’s your hotel, Graham. ‘Oversailing’ the 20% S&A Housing (required under the 2000 GCD Planning Scheme).

    #750359
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    Re-reading the 2006 Amendment to the GCD Planning Scheme (http://www.dublindocklands.ie/files/…scheme06q4.pdf – it’s the same link as I posted above) I see the following (my emphasis):

    3.2.4 Building height
    Building heights within the blocks will vary in order to achieve appropriate
    urban scale. Maximum numbers of storeys are prescribed for both
    commercial and residential development as shown in Diagram 5. The
    controls will allow for vertically mixed use buildings with commercial,
    residential and other use storeys. The main element of the landmark tower
    should not exceed 100 metres in height
    to the shoulder above existing
    street level. The shoulder is the top of the front wall of the building,
    excluding any parapet. Accommodation above this level must be well set
    back and consistent with architectural and service elements. Such elements
    will be permitted subject to a maximum overall building height not
    exceeding 120 metres above existing street level
    .

    In this regard, please note the headline of the Irish Times article. Perhaps PP will not be as straightforward as was initially presumed?

    (For those unfamiliar, a development proposal in the DDDA area that complies with a prepared scheme doesn’t require PP in the normal way, but the proposal must be in keeping with the scheme which, in this case, is the GCD Planning Scheme as amended in 2006. If it is in keeping, it gets a Certificate of Compliance. If not, then…)

    *** *** ***

    Graham-

    I note from the GCD Amending Planning Scheme document that a hotel was suggested as a use in this location. The question then becomes Will Norm be happy with just the one riverside flop house?

    #750360
    alonso
    Participant

    from the other side

    #750361
    millennium
    Participant

    Bears a resemblance to the Deutshe Bank in Sydney, also designed by Norman Foster.
    Probably one of the least successful new high rise buildings in Sydney

    Let me get this right, the previous “winning” design was rejected because it’s author “could not be identified” and the previously announced winning design (the Twisting Tower) has now been rejected because “it was not economical to build”.
    The promoters are also telling us that no planning permission is required (because they are their own planning authority) and there are no third party rights of appeal.
    Due process?!

    #750362
    Morlan
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    Resized

    What’s that on the top.. the Eye of Sauron?

    DDDA have certainly changed their tune on building height all of a sudden.

    #750363
    millennium
    Participant
    #750364
    GregF
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    Foster stuff is always kinda cool, but this is terribly angular, compared to all the curvy ‘organic’ shaped stuff today, ie…the Gherkin. Kinda hard to get used to it, after visualising the twisting tower here instead.

    #750365
    JoePublic
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    Isn’t it nice that all these developers and architects are fighting each other to build a signature tower in Dublin – so why do they all want to build them in one place? eg. let Treasury build their zaha hadid tower in Spencer dock.

    #750366
    jdivision
    Participant

    @JoePublic wrote:

    Isn’t it nice that all these developers and architects are fighting each other to build a signature tower in Dublin – so why do they all want to build them in one place? eg. let Treasury build their zaha hadid tower in Spencer dock.

    Because they’re not allowed to. DDDA will only allow two towers, that and the Watchtower. Why? Haven’t a clue.

    #750367
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster
    #750368
    darkman
    Participant

    180m!!!!!!! This is more like it!:D Not sure whether they should have dropped the twisting design though.

    Strangely the DDDA dont seem to acknowledge that it is 180m high?? They say 120m?

    I have to ask is Frank McDonald sure about the height? It does not look 180m high?

    #750369
    JoePublic
    Participant

    @jdivision wrote:

    Because they’re not allowed to. DDDA will only allow two towers, that and the Watchtower. Why? Haven’t a clue.

    Time to amend the plan again 🙂

    Come on DDDA, you know you want to.

    #750370
    GregF
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    @Morlan wrote:

    What’s that on the top.. the Eye of Sauron?

    Bono’s halo!

    I bet it’ll be a candidate for the Sterling Prize when it’s built.

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