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  • #750291
    Pepsi
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    i’d say it’s all talk and no action. i’d say it’s all talk and no action with the watchtower too.

    #750292
    Pepsi
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    are you sure it’s the watchtower though?

    #750293
    cubix
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    off topic i know but yet another skyscraper approved for London, getting out of control now..

    http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/2894

    #750294
    Anonymous
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    Anger over structure demolition . . . . . .[From this weeks Dublin People]
    THE Dublin Docklands Development Authority has been criticised for demolishing a protected structure as part of plans for the new U2 tower.
    The old hailing station, on the corner of Sir John Rogerson’s Quay and Britain Quay, was torn down as part of its development plans for the Grand Canal Dock area.
    The hailing station was built in 1907 and was used to direct ships as they docked along the quays. Dockers also congregated at the station to seek out potential employment opportunities.
    The structure is listed on the Dublin City Council register of protected structures.
    However, under the Dublin Docklands Development Act 1997, the Master Plan for the Docklands Area takes precedence over the Dublin City Development Plan including its record of protected structures.
    Former Environment Minister, Dick Roche, signed an order before he left office to protect the hailing station by record only.

    This means that the only remaining record of the structure is on paper.
    The DDDA commissioned Christopher Southgate & Associates to prepare a conservation report on the hailing station.
    The report stated: “The Hailing Station is not an architecturally significant building. However, its function is of historical and social significance….”
    The report considers the building to be of local significance and recommends conservation by record.
    One of the conditions of the demolition was that the footprint of the Hailing Station “be outlined in red brick salvaged from the building and incorporated into the landscape plan insofar as it was consistent with the development of the U2 Tower”.
    A spokesman for the heritage council, An Taisce, said they do not approve of the manner in which the hailing station was demolished.
    “The hailing station was a significant example of maritime history in the Docklands,” he said.
    “The DDDA should be doing all they can to conserve what remains of the area’s past and not wipe it away,” he said.
    “The building should be preserved in some form. An Taisce did not approve of the manner in which it was removed from the record of protected structures. There was no consultation or notification with locals or heritage groups.”
    Damien Cassidy of the Ringsend Environment Group complained that there was no consultation regarding the demolition.
    “At no stage were locals consulted about this,” he claimed.
    “The first people knew about the demolition of the hailing station was when we noticed it had disappeared.”
    However, a spokeswoman for the DDDA rejected claims that the authority had not adequately consulted with the public and heritage groups on the move.
    “What we generally do is put the planning scheme out to all the local communities and anyone who wants to make any submissions then can,” she said.
    “We have the same standard process as the city council would use for planning. We advertise the plans in the papers and state that people can come and make submissions.
    “We go right into the communities, in community centres, in our own offices and different parts of the city and then we have it [the plans] available on the website as well.
    “An Taisce can make submissions on any of our plans as part of the public consultation. As regards the public, we open it as far as we can and the plan was fully available to the public to make submissions on it as well.”

    #750295
    old man troy
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    @cubix wrote:

    off topic i know but yet another skyscraper approved for London, getting out of control now..

    http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/2894

    had a look at that, awful. Bring on the U2 tower, and the Berkeley Court for that matter.

    #750296
    cubix
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    I don’t think its too bad,perhaps a bit asian looking.. hopefully the U2 tower will be better!!if they get around to building the dawn ting

    #750297
    cokedrinker
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    I am so eager to see the Foster and Hadid proposals, when can we expect some images to be released!

    #750298
    JoePublic
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    @cubix wrote:

    off topic i know but yet another skyscraper approved for London, getting out of control now..

    http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/2894

    While I’d like to see more high quality high rises in the docklands, this London bullding shows the danger. I think I’d rather our 6 floor stumpy IFSC buildings than that yoke, they’re monotonous but inoffensive/inconspicuous compared with that.

    #750299
    cubix
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    yeah i probably used a bad example to illustrate that a lot of them are being approved..out of interest are there many other high rise proposals waiting for planning permission right now. In dublin that is..?

    #750300
    jdivision
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    @JoePublic wrote:

    While I’d like to see more high quality high rises in the docklands, this London bullding shows the danger. I think I’d rather our 6 floor stumpy IFSC buildings than that yoke, they’re monotonous but inoffensive/inconspicuous compared with that.

    I think the Watchtower is as bad as that building TBH

    #750301
    JoePublic
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    I really hope they don’t f**k this up, we don’t need another bloody Carlton

    #750302
    ForzaIrlanda
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    I saw these pics of a similar tower to U2 on another website. The tower is in Sarajevo.

    #750303
    jdivision
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    It’s been delayed again.

    #750304
    darkman
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    Cant say im supprised but how do you know? It was supposed to be revealved last week who won the tender,

    #750305
    jdivision
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    Does anybody know who’s on the assessment committee?

    #750306
    SOC
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    Did anyone hear the discussion on ‘Drivetime’ (RTE Radio 1) on Thursday evening about the Giants Causeway / Heneghen Peng debacle? Some architectural commentator was questioning the value of international architectural competitions in the light of Heneghen Peng’s winning design for a visitor centre at Giants Causeway apparently having been dumped in favour of some private developer design and citing Zaha Hadid’s Cardiff Opera House too.

    I wonder if BCDH’s twisting tower will be the next victim of this insidious trend?

    Shame on John McLaughlin (DDDA) if this is his legacy!

    #750307
    GregF
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    Anyone see the Dave McWilliams programme on Monday night about the demise of our economy and the ‘Celtic Tiger’ etc….. It showed the gleaming new glass towers and edifices of China and Dubai, shining in the sunshine against a brilliant blue sky and then switched to the Dublin docks of grey skies and insignificant squat block land. Hard to believe there was ever a boom on here by the looks of it 🙁

    #750308
    mcdanish
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    @GregF wrote:

    Anyone see the Dave McWilliams programme on Monday night about the demise of our economy and the ‘Celtic Tiger’ etc….. It showed the gleaming new glass towers and edifices of China and Dubai, shining in the sunshine against a brilliant blue sky and then switched to the Dublin docks of grey skies and insignificant squat block land. Hard to believe there was ever a boom on here by the looks of it 🙁

    Lets be realistic here, although the docks has been a missed opportunity in many respects it is far from the finished article.The watchtower and the U2 tower will give a new dimension to this area and other on going projects will bulk up the area.
    Dublin is no Dubai or Shanghai and is never going to be.We have had a boom here fair enough but on a world scale it is insignificant. If Irelands economy imploded the world economy wouldnt even blink.Dublin has changed hugely in 20 years for the better but to expect this to compare to Shanghai or Dubai is crazy.

    Regarding the U2 tower the delays are incredible.Also anyone know whats happening to the site beside it where contruction has been halted for some timenow?

    #750309
    Keen
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    @mcdanish wrote:

    Lets be realistic here, although the docks has been a missed opportunity in many respects it is far from the finished article.The watchtower and the U2 tower will give a new dimension to this area and other on going projects will bulk up the area.
    Dublin is no Dubai or Shanghai and is never going to be.We have had a boom here fair enough but on a world scale it is insignificant. If Irelands economy imploded the world economy wouldnt even blink.Dublin has changed hugely in 20 years for the better but to expect this to compare to Shanghai or Dubai is crazy.

    Regarding the U2 tower the delays are incredible.Also anyone know whats happening to the site beside it where contruction has been halted for some timenow?

    Ireland’s economy was the fastest growing economy in europe in 2000 something line 9% and we are one of if not the fastest growing country in Europe in respect to population. Our economy is larger than Nigeria’s for christ sake (Population 120 million). , and our economy is larger than the UAE – that must be hard to swallow? Our economy ranks arouns 50th in the world based on GDP, not even taking into account population.
    In the terms of pace of development, we must be one of the slowest in the world…
    We could have made something out of the boom we had for sure, we threw a few competitions, we marketed a few changes, then there was the NDP plan – but we always seems to hit on mediocrity??? Where is our ambition, and then the follow ups to make it happen? This U2 farce is just boring at this stage. It’s a pity because the tower got a lot of us excited

    #750310
    Rory W
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    Yeah cool – if we lived in a dictatorship we could have big glass towers built by borderline slavery.

    Yes we had a fast growing economy, but we were coming from borderline bankrupcy so it was a very small base that we were actually growing from (we were catching up with the rest of western Europe anyway) and rate of growth means bugger all when your economy is tiny anyway. Anyone old enough to remember the early 80s will tell you how much Dublin and the economy has changed.

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