U2 studio entries
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- August 10, 2003 at 1:08 am #727093
sw101
Participanti just hope to god the carlisle pier development is a hell of a lot better
August 10, 2003 at 10:40 am #727094tomh
Participantyawn…..
if the ddda wanted a boring commercial tower they should have just looked at commisioning a boring commercial irish architect.
instead they have wasted everyones time by holding this competition under the false premise that they were looking for something new and interesting.
does anybody now where to find the list of the 100 shortlisted schemes that are being exhibited. international entrants obviously dont have access to the exhibition.
August 10, 2003 at 5:50 pm #727095WillC
ParticipantDon’t think it’ll be another Darling Harbour. Apart from the Dunloe Ewart tower which was granted planning permission on appeal, no other tall ‘landmark’ buildings may be allowed in this area. Lets face it guys, this will be as good as it gets!
August 10, 2003 at 7:19 pm #727096julien
ParticipantWasn’t 60 meters the maximun allowed height ? What about the 8,500 sqm minimum?
This option : ‘ only one tower and the podium’ wasn’t even possible according to those requirements and the stupid slenderness ratio.Once again, what are the rules for if the one who wins the competition doesn’t take them into account?
I am also unfamiliar with competitions in Ireland so i have got this question : Would dda have been allowed to only hire a developper and an architect for this project without doing a competition?
This is quite disappointing and i don’t see where the huge rethinking in tower buildings is.
DDA wrote that there will be a exhibition with the “shortlisted” (100 !), do you know where we can find the list? Have teams been informed if they are in or out?
August 10, 2003 at 9:09 pm #727097vvvvv4
ParticipantI have to say this is the worst competition I have ever seen, poorly organized.
I have the same problem of the min. 9500 sqm and slenderness requirement. I don’t see all the entries they selected have a solution. Those requirement was a joke!!!August 11, 2003 at 1:34 am #727098sw101
Participantbut 15 x 15 is 225, and 225 over 20 storeys is 4 and a half thousand square metres in the tower. how big is the remainder of the site? surely it would fit over 5 or 6 storeys right?
if they insist on such a dense building on such a small and awkward site, then its no wonder they werent actively looking for interesting proposals. whoevers in charge here imagined the matchbox building of time past, maybe these competitors sniffed that out and gave them what they want. then got a little fancy with crazy screwy woo woo tower (not)
bow ring
August 11, 2003 at 9:49 am #727099Paul Clerkin
KeymasterAdded some more entries to
http://www.irish-architecture.com/unbuilt_ireland/dublin/u2_tower/index.htmlAugust 11, 2003 at 1:11 pm #727100d_d_dallas
ParticipantThe “tower” is perfect – it perfectly represents the Dublin Docklands – as bland as it gets and a total wasted opportunity, like everything else in the area on both sides of the liffey. I think I’ll be avoiding the exhibition on the 100 or so selected runner up entires – It’ll only depress me at what might have been…
August 11, 2003 at 2:08 pm #727101cajual
Participantwhat a shame.. a poor choice….
also- around november i was told that it was a certain Mr. Dunne who wrote the brief for this competition. i must stress that this is only hearsay but makes you wonder… i mean even competitions on the back of a cornflakes box state that you can’t enter if you have relations etc. attached to the organising company…
August 11, 2003 at 2:30 pm #727102ew
ParticipantI think you’re being a little hasty. Based on what I’ve seen of the other entries, this is not the best. Thankfully however, it is not too bad, and certaintly isn’t either the worst nor the most boring.
I’d like some more info on it before making my mind up fully. The two images are so different that I think the CGI stuff is not telling the whole story. I havn’t seen plans yet but I’m sure they’ll be about soon.
If I understand it, the impact of the building will be dependent on the architectural planting. This has not been done on this scale in Dublin before and so should be very interesting. I hope it works and planting becomes more the norm in Dublin. Tree tennants anyone?
On a less positive note I’ve never seen “Anti-glare louvres” enhance a building or indeed function correctly. So that could be interesting too. If they don’t work then at least half the building can be written off.
August 11, 2003 at 2:37 pm #727103Barry
ParticipantIts inevitable with Architectural & Beauty competitions that any winner will be subjected to criticism rather than praise….its the fragility of the egos involved I guess. What doesnt help at all in this particular scenario is the scent of possible nepotism involved in the process….it is all to familiar in our politics and the way we do things here. Enough!…if suggestions aired on this site pertaining to Mr. Dunne are true, the probability of co incidence is beyond credibility, and the process and result should be brought into question or defended with substantiation.
It is a poor reflection on the lack of professionalism in this country that we cannot seem to progress any significant project without controversy, petty political manouevering or cronyism.August 11, 2003 at 3:28 pm #727104sw101
Participanti reckon a slightly refined version of nicola mongellis entry would have been much better. a little vision people please 🙂
if anyone finds out about the 100 entries exhibit pls post details
August 11, 2003 at 3:41 pm #727105Paul Clerkin
Keymasterif you haven’t looked in a few days, we currently have the following entries online… am expecting a few more at the moment also….
Burdon Dunne Architects / Craig Henry Architects Ireland Winner
Architecture Project, Malta
Box Architecture, Ireland
deegan + goodrich
Hofman Dujardin Architecten, Netherlands
IDN Integral Design Network
I/O Interdisciplinary Office + Menkès Shooner Dagenais architects, Quebec
Nicola Mongelli, USA
Macarie O’Looney and Schneider Architects, Germany
Metastudio, Germany
Metronometric Architects, Ireland
NJB Architects, Ireland
The Naked Architects, Belgium
Tower 151 Architects, CroatiaAugust 11, 2003 at 3:42 pm #727106redeoin
ParticipantJesus Christ…you would swear most people here were losing entrants…what is this? O’Nuallain and his battle with the spire all over again…?
The tower looks very well – better than most of the other bizarre structures which were put forward.
Just think of a giant piece of lime floating in the centre of it, and imagine how cool and refreshing the tower will be on a sunny day down on the docks…
August 11, 2003 at 4:36 pm #727107MG
ParticipantFirst, congratulations to the architects on winning.
It’s not the most exciting concept in the world but it could have been far worse. Remember as well that the design will probably change drastically between now and planning permission. At least they are trying to break away from the cuboid design of many of the entrants.
BTW, does it look like something from Anne Summers or is that just me? 😉
August 11, 2003 at 5:18 pm #727108GregF
ParticipantAye, sure maybe it’s not that bad afterall. Would be good it they were to build that Dunloe Ewart proposal beside it too. We could have a nice collection and variation of buildings here as a focal point.
Some striking stuff going on in England and Liverpool aka European City of Culture in 200?,………..
August 11, 2003 at 5:18 pm #727109doozer
ParticipantOriginally posted by MG
BTW, does it look like something from Anne Summers or is that just me? 😉
Its just you!
I don’t think that the material point here is that the dsign is bad per se.
I know that is not the issue for me.
This competition was introduced as an attempt to bring innovative new design into the heart of Irish culture. it was billed as an international event and managed to raise expectations in relation to the scope and impact of the design.
The winning entry does not fulfill these expectatins. To put it mildly, although it tips a lazy nod to the international community ( by doing what has already been done better else where), it is, in essence, yet another example of’a local job for local people’ cronyism.
I’m sorry I think we could have done better.
Its not a bad design -its just not good enough.August 11, 2003 at 5:36 pm #727110sw101
Participanthear hear
i’m sure craig henry architects and felim dunne are perfectly acceptable as architects and would be capable of producing a decent design and finished building. but the whole idea of this competition has been undermined. shame on those responsible. i say make the whole process transparent so we casn gain useful hindsight and maybe prevent this happening again
August 11, 2003 at 6:27 pm #727111notjim
Participantif it was an anonymous contest then it isn’t their fault the winner was local, and isn’t a bad thing.
August 11, 2003 at 6:32 pm #727112DogsonFire-2
ParticipantBring back Frank Gehry……………all is forgiven! ooops sorry……………not in the spirit of camaraderie which is emerging here….all very Empire building stuff, eh what fellas! pat on the head for the Johnny Architect and a C+ for the effort…….really……….come on ……..this is utter nonsense. ….I agree it is not fair to shoot the messengers ( the winners , who naturally must be given a reward ) but look at those who have perpetrated the whole event.
It’s a question of whether one is historical or hysterical. Quite frankly I prefer the latter against the failure on the former. I thought this was rock’n’roll but sadly K-tel have taken over here. Where is the madness, the utter contempt , the sheer glory in being wild and expansive ( and expensive). Are we all in the serious brogues of creating sensible things, such a shame…………….
OK, a little over boiled there but it does make the veins expand when one thinks of how nice it would be to re-visit the age of risk! Now there’s history for you.
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