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  • #724938
    vvvvv4
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    shadow wrote:
    ….Also since the technical requirements of the brief were quite strict, perhaps over restrictive does this mean that they were used to justify restricting the opportunites so that others might transcend these requirements….

    if this is true, what a joke!

    can anyone post the news?

    #724939
    pepe
    Participant

    March 02, 2003
    U2 in ‘favourites’ row over studio
    Scott Millar

    A COMPETITION to design a studio for U2 in Dublin’s docklands has caused an international row after a British candidate claimed the band was showing favouritism.

    More than 500 bids to design the building, likely to be Dublin’s highest, were received by the Dublin Docklands Development Authority (DDDA) by last Friday’s deadline. They are believed to include a proposal from Frank Gehry, one of the world’s best-known architects and the designer of the Bilbao Guggenheim museum.

    An English architect has lodged a formal complaint with the DDDA, claiming that members of U2 recently visited Gehry’s studio in Santa Monica, California. The judging panel for the architectural competition includes Adam Clayton, a member of the band.

    According to the rules of the competition, entrants are to be disqualified if a “participant discloses his or her identity or attempts to influence in any way the decision of the jury”.

    The complainant said that contact between members of the band and a competitor, which he alleged included discussions about the project, left other entrants with only two options. “One is to boycott the event, something which people who have spent months on their designs will not do,” he said. “Or else create something that would exactly resemble a Frank Gehry building.”

    A spokesman for U2 accepted that Bono and Gehry had a “long-standing friendship which predates the Dublin Docklands competition. Neither Bono or nor Edge has any involvement with the competition. Adam Clayton is due to be one of the panellists who will judge the anonymously submitted entries and I’m sure you can appreciate members of U2 operate as individuals”.

    Organisers have attempted to play down the row. A spokesman for the DDDA said: “We have received a complaint and are having a look into it, but as the complaint is anonymous, the authority is not unduly concerned.”

    A spokesman for Gehry confirmed that members of U2 have visited the architect’s studio several times over the last few years, including a few months ago. “We never once discussed the Dublin Docklands competition with any members and we are absolutely certain the outcome of the competition will not be influenced on our behalf,” he added.

    Other participants are unhappy that the competition was not as widely advertised as before. One complained that it was not advertised on Death by Architecture, a leading website. “A number of my friends in America, who would have loved to have entered, were unaware until too late that the competition was being held,” said the entrant, who also had to remain anonymous or risk expulsion.

    The number of submissions has outstripped expectations, however, and it is likely to take several months to judge. Among the 500 entries are several innovative designs including one in the shape of a large sail and another whose gentle sloping form resembles a wave.

    There are also less professional entrants. One fan from Spain has entered a building in the shape of a harp, which has been described as “amateur in the extreme”.

    Jennifer Boyer, an American architect based in Dublin, said the designs show the changes in architectural taste following the destruction of the twin towers. “There has been a huge rethink of the concept of tower building,” she said. “There has been a new thinking to get beyond sheer height which is evident in the designs both to replace the twin towers and here.”

    U2 were initially dismayed at being forced by the DDDA to move out of their studio in a renovated warehouse on the campshire of Hanover Quay. The authority wants to develop the area as an open-space public amenity. After initial protests, the band agreed to move to a new building in docklands.

    The new building will house a mix of commercial and residential property as well as the band’s recording studio. The multi-million euro project is due to be completed within three years.

    #724940
    smith
    Participant

    Does anyone have the image that accompanied the article published March 02 in The Times (or a detailed description?)…and how is it possible for The Times to have access to any of the submissions, when the jury hasn’t even seen them yet? Surely this will have some effect on this entrants anonymity?…

    #724941
    Andrew Duffy
    Participant

    I can attach a scan of the image from the Times if Paul is OK with it.

    #724942
    vvvvv4
    Participant

    Originally posted by Andrew Duffy
    I can attach a scan of the image from the Times if Paul is OK with it.

    Can you email me that pic?
    My email is
    vvvvv4@yahoo.com
    thanks.

    #724943
    doozer
    Participant

    Originally posted by GregF
    I agree, I have’nt seen the design…..but it should be given to a big name. I’m sure Gehry would produce something of a focal point and a talking point for everyone….and that’s what Dublin needs to put it up there with the big guns of cities today…..else it will just stagnate and fade back into the doldrums of insignificance. ZZzzzzzzzzzz!

    For the love of God can we not give it to Gehry please. Every major city in the world is going to have a Gehry or a Gehry rip-off in the next 20 years. This is a chance for someone with a new voice to make their name. It is exactly this kind of project that propells a designer into the premier league and to saddle us with an architect who , although interesting, is already beginning to seem dated and jaded,well, its a ludicrous waste.
    Why must we fall back on a ‘sure thing’ when we finally have the chance of creating a scheme that is innovative and exciting and contenious. We should be taking chances on this one not playing it safe.

    #724944
    DogsonFire
    Participant

    The Architectural Competitions for the Architect is compelling and titillates the egocentric side that the Architect cannot deny .If you do deny then quite frankly (no pun intended) you’ve lost the race before you start! It is therefore a vice which the Architect can not deny but knows it utter madness as it takes time, resources (I note previous accounting on this issue) and energy all of which many argue are best channelled towards actual fee related work. Therefore a dilemma which the Developer, Investor or competition sponsor panders to and in fact takes advantage of as it is a little like the power of Chocolate (I refer to the movie). But what options does the Architect have: Basically-Yes or No to entering is clear:

    If Yes then how much and for how long etc, etc.

    If No then a short period of second thoughts, which are rekindled, when the results are announced.

    So, a short psychological synopsis and perhaps not applying to all but I suspect to many!

    It is therefore disappointing that the “authorities” have not recognised the hype this one would conjure up. I mean let’s face it, a Tower and U2 -an Architect’s dream for a brief (brings back those arcane student briefs!) and therefore a real fantasy for the ego to coerced with and by.

    The rewards are obvious (beyond that of fee) and not that one would become immortal but damn close providing it’s a brilliant project!

    Therefore the pressure is enormous.

    It is with all this in mind that it is very discouraging, that if the rumour is true, all the 500 have followed the pied piper in a dance, which should never have started. It is certainly a bad time for the competition as a tool for moderating such issues.

    DDDA should have realised this issue and given the Jury a chance to act realistically ( and heaven forbid professionally) by having a 2 stage: aka Grand Egyptian Museum Competition (UIA rules). But it’s too late for that and so………….

    Therefore solutions:

    1.1 Elect Frank Gehry to the Jury (on the basis his project is merely a picture or sketch which U2 had some fascination with).
    Or
    1.2 Simply disqualify FG entry (if it is his) as it clearly breaks the rule of anonymity
    Or
    1.3 FG withdraws gracefully

    2.0 Then publish the Whole jury list

    3.0 Publish the Date of assessment and results

    4.0 Publish all entries (medium to be decided but hard copy is always a favourite) and issue to all Competitors

    5.0 Exhibit a Short list of project

    6.0 Publish the Juries Report(s)

    Lastly, good luck and very much lastly remember: all Publicity is Good publicity! That’s why we do it!

    #724945
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    I was going to write an article but between new servers for P45 and Archeire I don’t have the time so here are quotes given to me.

    4 March 2003
    The following comment can be attributed to a spokesman for the DDDA:

    “We were contacted by an English architect referring to an anonymous complaint on a chat page of a web site. We did not wish to give credence to such a form of complaint. In the meantime U2 has issued a statement clarifying matters.”

    18 March 2003
    The RIAI has asked that Dublin Docklands Development Authority investigates the allegations made and DDDA has indicated that this is being done.

    John Graby
    Director

    #724946
    GregF
    Participant

    Why not get Ghery or a big gun to design the tower….Ghery’s best work is happening today….he is an international star in architecture and what ever he does would inspire the cloth headed drones that we have produced in architecture to emulate him. Having big names in Dublin and Ireland would be an inspiration for all and give a lift to architecture in this somewhat parochial country ….can anyone not see that.
    Again it will have to be built so as the penny will drop….then everyone will be jumping on the bandwagon…as is always the case.
    Seeing is believing….as doubting Thomas once said.

    #724947
    doozer
    Participant

    Oh yes lets import someone who is already beginning to parody himself (‘doing his best work at the moment’????- have you seen that music centre), rather than create our own design renaissance as the Scadinavian’s managed to do in the last century.
    They created a legacy through self support and the development of national identities in this area and have continued to develop these initial innovations into the by proxy brand that Swedish, Danish and Norwegian design is today. Ireland could be on the brink of a great design age. We have well educated and talented young contributors who, if given the chance could spark a golden era in our cultural history.
    Even if the winner of this competition isn’t Irish ( and I’m not suggesting that they should be) I’m shocked at the suggestion that the project should just be delivered on a plate to someone who has repeatedly demonstrated his interest in nothing more than furthering his own legacy.

    #724948
    doozer
    Participant

    P.s Greg.F you might want to learn how to spell Gehry.

    #724949
    DogsonFire
    Participant

    Isn’t looking outside your own region and believing all is good and great from the mighty kingdom also parochial thinking. Admiration and respect for other design disciplines, methodology and aesthetic is only too normal, but a belief in the same as some sort of holy grail is questionable. Yes, a phenomena, aka the black obelisk of 2001 Space Odyssey, is a truly remarkable attribute of a successful project, but there are many others who I think can deliver such.

    If one wants a champion to bring forward the debate on local culture then choose wisely, I would recommend.

    The question is: is this the attribute the sponsor’s of the competition are seeking from the winning entry? No idea, with the only clue being in the brief which is full of same old waffle you get in any architectural brief!

    If this competition is to become some sort of criticism session of one Architect and his Architecture surely this has wasted the time, energy and money of the 500 or so who made the submission.

    #724950
    GregF
    Participant

    Maybe I doubt if a young buck in architecture today can produce a significant and stylish landmark for this project.
    Too many ‘Westlifes’ today ….a ‘U2’ heavy weight is required.
    I hope then I am proved very much wrong and a new budding practice comes up with the goods that hit the right note.

    #724951
    doozer
    Participant

    Originally posted by DogsonFire
    If this competition is to become some sort of criticism session of one Architect and his Architecture surely this has wasted the time, energy and money of the 500 or so who made the submission.

    This point is a very good one. Its not really about whether you like Gehry of not. The issue is one of self interest. Rather then proliferate the agendas of already established architects, could not a project like this be seized upon as a chance to ‘discover’ a new talent, perhaps one that is closer to home. The subject material of the brief is inherently ‘youth/pop culturally’ orientated. To sacrificially donate the chance to someone so obvious is somewhat perverse.

    #724952
    -Donnacha-
    Participant

    I just hope that thing the Sunday Times printed that looks like a giant black gantry doesn’t get built….

    #724953
    DogsonFire
    Participant

    Originally posted by AndrewP
    I just hope that thing the Sunday Times printed that looks like a giant black gantry doesn’t get built….

    I have to confess to not seeing this image. Is it possible to see this somewhere other than the Times, a publication i’m unable to have access to.

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