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The junctions look well. I agree that motorways are getting priority over railways. The Cashel to Cullahil M8 is set to open in December and most of the HQDC’s will be redesignated motorway at midnight on September 24th. However it is assumed in most industrialised nations that there is a motorway link between all the cities. In Ireland there isn’t one continuous motorway between any two cities yet. all the luas projects except line F are behind schedual. I believe the Western rail corridor is running ahead of schedual but even when it’s completed, it will be mostly single track and will not directly connect all western cities and it will have to reverse out of every major City station
the govt has prioritised some Transport21 projects and temporarily shelved others in light of the economic trouble.
http://www.transport21.ie/Publications/upload/File/T21_Newsletter_Summer_2009.pdf
What’s going on with the Oyster-card-for-Dublin plan? I hear it will eventually be extended to cover the whole country – sounds excellent to me. According to the Financial Times the single biggest hurdle to the progression of the Irish economy, excluding the recession, has been lack of infrastructure in comparison to countries like Britain and France.
The Metro must go ahead, this smartcard needs to arrive on time and there should be high speed rail links between all the major cities including Belfast – recession or no recession, this will benefit the economy in the long run no end.
at the moment, IÉ is installing smart card readers on DART platforms similar to those at luas stops, hopefully, this is to facillitate integrated ticketing. There also seems to progress in administration of transport in the metropolitain area, e.g. this new website:
Of course the government is shit at everything, but we must acknowledge that the improvement of the roads seems to be a good achievement. Once they complete a motorway from Galway to Limerick to Cork, Ireland will have a road system as good as any in Europe.
To be honest in many areas, particularly transport, Dublin would benefit from having a strong mayoral local government. This has done wonders from London, absolute wonders.
I’d also like to see a city planner as good as this for Dublin: http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en
Dublin has the opportunity to learn from everything London is doing right at the moment, without being lumbered with so much of what sadly ruins that city. I really want to see Dublin do that and strike a balance between a city like London and a city like Copenhagen.
Nationwide integrated ticketing, when implemented, is going to be just… brilliant. I mean yeah, excellent, that is just the sort of thing a country like Ireland should be doing. Everyone benefits and it makes all our lives that much smoother.
Irish infrastructure has, I think we all have to admit, turned out pretty damn good, even if it’s still got a ways to go. Dublin airport in my opinion is excellent, far better than the appalling messes of Heathrow and Gatwick. The DART might not be the prettiest light rail system in the world but it does it’s job admirably. The Luas is decent.
The biggest issue is that lack of integrated ticketing, and as a visitor you never really know whether to take the bus or tram and to which stop to get to where you want to go, so that needs to be addressed.
I’m hoping the metro has stop at all the top areas: O’Connell St, St Stephen’s Green, Docklands, College Green etc. That will really do Dublin the world of good for tourists, let me tell you.
It’s a shame to hear that work on Metro North won’t begin until 2011 probably, they really need to get the whole metro done before 2013/2014…
The Oyster Card in London is an example of how any integrated ticketing system should work. It’s brilliant.
Customers using it know they can travel The Tube, Trams, Docklands Light Rail, Buses, Top Trains (ex British Rail), and get discounts on water buses using the Thames.
You simply purchase an Oyster Card for an initial fee of £3 and then top it up with as much as you want.
Journeys using Oyster also work out less than paying cash at a machine or ticket office.
And a fare capping system ensures that you don’t pay more in any one day than the equivalent cost of a one day Travelcard. So after a few journeys in one day the card effectively gives you free travel until 5am the following day.
Dublin is still scratching it’s balls while thinking about something it heard once called smartcards.
oyster card is one thing…
but it doesn’t need to be fancy?
just a normal daily ticket that works on buses trains and luas?@missarchi wrote:
oyster card is one thing…
but it doesn’t need to be fancy?
just a normal daily ticket that works on buses trains and luas?Needs to work on the metro too, which is why I think they aren’t in any rush. There’s a plan i place: http://www.transport21.ie/Projects/Integrated_Ticketing/Integrated_Smart_Card_Ticketing_in_the_Greater_Dublin_Area.html
It won’t arrive before all the specifics of the metro’s cost and ticketing system have been worked out.
Its kinda telling that this ticketing system was not used for the Dublin Bike Scheme, I guess because it was never designed to be used as a real public transport alternative.
And I dont see why you can’t pay for single journeys on Dublin Bus with it! The only options are 10 journey travel 90 for occasional users, but this is more expensive (1.80) than the fare I would normally pay for my occasional use (1.60)
Are they going to restructure fares as part of this project? will there be a flat far for all of Dublin as they have in London? Why dont the bloody decide and get on with it!
I’m sure they will restructure the fairs, and who knows perhaps it will work with the velibs – right now we know almost nothing about the “Oyster-card-for-Dublin”, it could do everything and everything we want, we just don’t know. Fingers crossed I suppose.
For the record though, the Oyster isn’t the real innovator, it was the Octopus card in Hong Kong – the Octopus did everything the Oyster and all other smartcards do long before they appeared.
@Yixian wrote:
it could do everything and everything we want, we just don’t know. Fingers crossed I suppose.
It can be however we want it to be, the problem is the people who are responsable for deciding what it does are not making decisions.
Crossing fingers won’t help either, they need to get the fingers out!
You will have a limited say in how it pans out in that next year brings the Dublin devolution reforms, including the new Mayor position that is directly elected by the public and who chairs the Dublin Transport Authority and has executive powers over a lot of the city.
Like London, the Mayor of Dublin will probably have a huge impact on transport. If someone like Joe Higgins ran for mayor and was elected, being a similar mayor of Ken Livingstone you can probably expect fares to drop and for student and pensioner version of the smartcard giving free travel.
Alternatively Dublin could elect a Boris Johnson type Mayor, nobody would have free travel and fares would rise.
That’s true Yixian, there are political decisions to be made here and the unbrella of transport authorities (Dublin Bus, Bus Eireann, DTO, DCC, RPA etc) we have are unable to make these decisions, hence the parial roll-out of the scheme avoiding any real change.
Didnt the government decide to set up a transport authority for Dublin to oversee all of these groups and manage transport21 projects centrally? I believe they hired someone from Trinity college to lead the new authority and in the long run a Dublin Mayor would be chairperson of it.
Again, the policies are there, but the decisions to impliment are put off yet again.
This is political failure from central government.As far as I know that’s what’s coming into effect next year with the Mayor at the centre of all of it, hopefully bringing consistency to all these projects.
The more power that Mayor has and the bigger the turn out for his/her election, the better, this could really benefit Dublin hugely.
@Yixian wrote:
As far as I know that’s what’s coming into effect next year with the Mayor at the centre of all of it, hopefully bringing consistency to all these projects.
The more power that Mayor has and the bigger the turn out for his/her election, the better, this could really benefit Dublin hugely.
There’s no need for a Mayor when the objectives have already been set for these projects, we just need a single authority to deliever them.
The current (and soon to be replaced in october) program for Government sets 2012 as the year of the first directly elected Mayor for Dublin, but I dont see why we should wait for this as the transport authority structure is the only thing holding up the integration of these projects. Deal with the problem and stop with the distractions.
Setup the Transport Authority, the structure of which has already been decided and transfer power to it! Now, and no more messing around.
@ac1976 wrote:
The current (and soon to be replaced in october) program for Government sets 2012 as the year of the first directly elected Mayor for Dublin
@Yixian wrote:
IF the government last out the year you will have a new delivery date for the Dublin Mayoral elections as part of the new program for government.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0513/1224246387781.html
IF the oppositon take over in the meantime it will be more likely 2014 that we have an elected mayor. Anyway an elected mayor is not really connected to transport21 as the projects are all setup by central government.
When it will actually happen is anybody’s guess at this stage, you might even be right about next year yixian!
some of these are really amusing..
Let every taxi driver have a speed camera for night time, to charge those who speed at night. Split the revenue 50-50. Why do I think this was submitted by a taxi driver who’s watched Robert de Niro on his solo mission to clean the filth off the streets once too often?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2009/0812/1224252410564.html
@missarchi wrote:
some of these are really amusing..
Let every taxi driver have a speed camera for night time, to charge those who speed at night. Split the revenue 50-50. Why do I think this was submitted by a taxi driver who’s watched Robert de Niro on his solo mission to clean the filth off the streets once too often?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2009/0812/1224252410564.html
Have a shamrock-shaped Metro stationstraight from the pages of archiseek
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