The Velibs are coming?
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- December 4, 2009 at 10:01 am #807392
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InactiveFoget about the velibs…2010 is going to all about the Autolibs!!
Exciting news reported in today’s IT that they are testing out the rental concept for electrical cars:
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…Modelled on the vélib and inspired by a similar scheme running in Lyon, the autolib will further burnish the city’s green credentials by providing thousands of electric cars that drivers can pick up and drop off anywhere in the city.
The first electric car project of its kind in a capital city, autolib will consist of 1,000 stations – 700 within the city limits and the rest beyond the péripherique ring road – each holding three cars.
Drivers will be able to pick up either a two- or four-seater at any rental stand by simply swiping a credit card through a reader at any time of day or night.
Although rates haven’t yet been set, city officials say a half-hour will cost between €4 and €5.
The socialist mayor Bertrand Delanoë, who believes the project could “revolutionise transportâ€, hopes to put the scheme out to tender by the end of the year and for work to begin on the service in 2010.
Not everyone is enamoured of the idea, though. Some green politicians are uneasy with the notion of encouraging people to use any type of car instead of providing incentives to stick with bikes, metros and buses.
And then there’s the question of security. How to prevent the cars suffering the same fate as the bikes and save them from ending up in a watery grave in the Seine?
“It’s a subject we’re particularly conscious of,†a spokeswoman for Mr Delanoë says.
December 4, 2009 at 1:10 pm #807393Anonymous
InactiveWhy would we want more cars in the city centre?
December 5, 2009 at 12:46 am #807394Anonymous
InactiveIreland=drunk drivers=bad idea unfortunately unless they limited hours of operation
April 12, 2010 at 11:11 pm #807395Anonymous
InactiveApril 12, 2010 at 11:53 pm #807396Anonymous
Inactive🙂
So here’s my multi-million dollar idea for a tiny feature that should have been employed on every bicycle. What’s the most annoying thing about taking out a db? (aside from cracking your fingers off trying to manipulate stubborn saddle adjustment levers). Well, trying to guage the correct saddle level for your height. Indeed this can take the best part of half a minute if you get it wrong once or twice, as is regularly the case, often all the while stressing over whizzing passing traffic and/or trying to hold the bicycle up straight in the cumbersome process.
The solution? A simple incising of the steel saddle pole (to use strict engineering parlance) with numbered notches, or alternatively (and probably more expensively) coloured rings, which would enable the user to instantly adjust the seat, to say, a ‘4’ or a green or blue level. The first option would surely cost extremely little, while making the user experience a lot more efficient.
April 13, 2010 at 12:13 am #807397Anonymous
Inactive@GrahamH wrote:
🙂
So here’s my multi-million dollar idea for a tiny feature that should have been employed on every bicycle. What’s the most annoying thing about taking out a db? (aside from cracking your fingers off trying to manipulate stubborn saddle adjustment levers). Well, trying to guage the correct saddle level for your height. Indeed this can take the best part of half a minute if you get it wrong once or twice, as is regularly the case, often all the while stressing over whizzing passing traffic and/or trying to hold the bicycle up straight in the cumbersome process.
The solution? A simple incising of the steel saddle pole (to use strict engineering parlance) with numbered notches, or alternatively (and probably more expensively) coloured rings, which would enable the user to instantly adjust the seat, to say, a ‘4’ or a green or blue level. The first option would surely cost extremely little, while making the user experience a lot more efficient.
You should suggest it to them. Given that they take a couple in every day to repair, they could add your suggested improvement to them while they maintain them. Over time all of the bikes would have the feature you propose.
April 13, 2010 at 12:55 am #807398Anonymous
Inactive@fergalr wrote:
The rows of bikes really do add further lustre to Dublin’s gleam on a good day 🙂 A nice civic touch and those blue fenders look great.
True.
They’re much nicer than these…..April 14, 2010 at 8:28 pm #807399Anonymous
Inactivethese things seem to be victims of their success – critical mass appears to have been reached. I pass 3 of these stands on my walk to / from work depending on the route I take and i see the same thing every morning – empty stands and a queue of people staring into the distance for a blue bike. The opposite is seen in the evening with cyclists milling about waiting for a slot to become free – anxiously looking because their free 30 mins is coming to an end.
I’d imagine that DB are still taking subscriptions though……….
April 14, 2010 at 9:17 pm #807400Anonymous
InactiveYes, we don’t give credit where credit is due sometimes. This has been an outstanding success. The Corpo guys who drove this through, despite all the negativity, deserve a second cookie with their morning coffee.
Even the quid pro quo of all the freestanding advertising signs across the city deserves to be reassessed on the basis that at least they begin to break the age-old parasitic relationship between billboard advertising and the side walls of city buildings.
P.S. There’s a flat-back thruck comes round about 8.30 every morning to replenish the bikes on the stand near me.
April 14, 2010 at 9:43 pm #807401Anonymous
InactiveIt has been a marvellous success on virtually every level, from operation, to maintenance, to design, to location choice. If there is one irritant, it is how the db user figures are now being thrown in with those who ‘cycle’ in Dublin, massively inflating the 2009/10 figures over previous years. Whereas this trend must be welcomed in terms of promoting a wider cycling culture, for the majority, hopping on a db to dawdle down Dame Street on a route they previous walked could well be termed laziness. In fact, it is. And it produces more carbon emissions.
@wearnicehats wrote:
these things seem to be victims of their success – critical mass appears to have been reached. I pass 3 of these stands on my walk to / from work depending on the route I take and i see the same thing every morning – empty stands and a queue of people staring into the distance for a blue bike. The opposite is seen in the evening with cyclists milling about waiting for a slot to become free – anxiously looking because their free 30 mins is coming to an end.
Yes this is by far the biggest problem with the operation of the system. The worst affected stations are commuter-related points and those in peripheral locations. The former are stations like Prince’s Street, where a single bus arriving on O’Connell Street has the potential to clear out the entire station (never mind 500), while the latter are stations like Mountjoy Square, Smithfield and Merrion Square East, which by their isolated nature experience excessive one-way traffic at peak periods.
It is interesting to note the same trends in operation at lunch hour. Every day, the Christchurch Place station empties of bicycles by 1.10pm and often remains empty until 1.50pm or so. By 2.15 it is often full. The destinations these bicycles are destined for in turn become clogged, namely the likes of Chatham Street, Molesworth Street and South Leinster Street, where people go for lunch.
Stations with a consistently excellent turnover of bicycles are those with a perfect equilibrium of supply and demand, such as Exchequer Street outside Fallon & Byrne, Jervis Street at Wolf Tone Park, Cathal Brugha Street, and St. Stephen’s Green with its high volume of varied traffic flows.
April 14, 2010 at 9:44 pm #807402Anonymous
Inactive@gunter wrote:
Yes, we don’t give credit where credit is due sometimes. This has been an outstanding success. The Corpo guys who drove this through, despite all the negativity, deserve a second cookie with their morning coffee.
Even the quid pro quo of all the freestanding advertising signs across the city deserves to be reassessed on the basis that at least they begin to break the age-old parasitic relationship between billboard advertising and the side walls of city buildings.
P.S. There’s a flat-back thruck comes round about 8.30 every morning to replenish the bikes on the stand near me.
I disagree. The main objection was not to the bikes, but to the fact that so much advertising space – essentially a public asset – was sold for a fraction of its value. There should have been ten times as many bikes.
April 14, 2010 at 9:50 pm #807403Anonymous
InactiveNo question there rumpel. And the proposed expansion of the system seems rather half-hearted from what I’ve read. Indeed, extra points should have been installed at busy stations within months, if not weeks, of the success of the scheme being noted. We still have nothing in that regard. Pretty much half of Prince’s Street could be consumed with such a facility.
April 14, 2010 at 10:09 pm #807404Anonymous
Inactive@gunter wrote:
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P.S. There’s a flat-back thruck comes round about 8.30 every morning to replenish the bikes on the stand near me.
I’m always disappointed that the truck in question isn’t electrically powered – kind of a contradiction that all these bikes are supported by a deisel truck that drives around dublin almost constantly all day
anyway – I bumped into a recently redundant colleague beside one of these ranks the other morning just as the truck was leaving. we had a brief, mostly awkward, chat, but in that time 14 of the 20 bikes had gone again. I suppose they’ll find an equilibrium but I do know at least one person who has stopped using them due to continuing problems dropping them off in the evening
April 15, 2010 at 12:14 am #807405Anonymous
InactiveThey should probably open new DB stations around Town to balance supply and demand. This way the people looking for bikes and those looking to drop them off would have more options. Now that the scheme is so successful, it should be relatively easy to arrange this expansion of the network.
The maps on each of the stations are also very useful, Too often Ireland seems determined to keep itself a secret from itself. With maps being provided at each of these stations, it will be easier for tourists to navigate our Fair City. That will improve their experience of Dublin.
April 16, 2010 at 1:11 pm #807406Anonymous
Inactive@gunter wrote:
Yes, we don’t give credit where credit is due sometimes. This has been an outstanding success. The Corpo guys who drove this through, despite all the negativity, deserve a second cookie with their morning coffee.
Even the quid pro quo of all the freestanding advertising signs across the city deserves to be reassessed on the basis that at least they begin to break the age-old parasitic relationship between billboard advertising and the side walls of city buildings.
Have to disagree entirely.
The bikes are the fringe benefit of a much bigger grubbier scheme.
€350 million worth of advertising potential revenue was being foregone by DCC for 450 bikes – until a ruckus saw 1/2 the billboards scrapped
It was done on by way of a secret rezoning map
Most insideously of all, the billboards were dumped on lower-income areas, while the majority of the bikes went into leafy Dublin 2
Of course when the scheme is bedeviled by under-capacity at the outset, it looks like a “victim of its own success”. Paris got almost 13 bikes in exchange for each billboard – we got less than half that.
If this scheme was driven by bikes as the primary agenda, why is it that DCC are so half-hearted in extending or upgrading the (bike aspect) of the scheme?
I am all up for more cycling in the city as many of you know, but it is total bullshit to ignore that the DB bikes were not just damn greenwash masking a dodgy grubby deal.
@fergalr wrote:
The rows of bikes really do add further lustre to Dublin’s gleam on a good day 🙂 A nice civic touch and those blue fenders look great.
Oh you mean the blue fenders that they also tried to sell off as advertising space, but were unable to in the recession :rolleyes:
April 16, 2010 at 7:32 pm #807407Anonymous
Inactive@hutton wrote:
Oh you mean the blue fenders that they also tried to sell off as advertising space, but were unable to in the recession :rolleyes:
Seriously?? :confused:
April 17, 2010 at 2:43 am #807408Anonymous
Inactive@fergalr wrote:
Seriously?? :confused:
Yep, I remember reading media reports about it at the time – might be a copy posted on the other JC Decaux thread
April 17, 2010 at 9:36 pm #807409Anonymous
InactiveApril 18, 2010 at 3:49 pm #807410Anonymous
InactiveI think it’s fair to say that the concept of the Velibs has been a good success, and there were plenty of commentators who took the attitude that this scheme could not work in Ireland, the bikes would be destroyed in the first week, etc. (same sort of stuff that was said about smoking ban).
But Hutton is right, we shouldn’t forget that relative to Paris we got a bad deal. We gave away too much for too little.
Who negotiated the deal? Was it Dublin City Manager John Tierney?
May 23, 2010 at 11:37 pm #807411Anonymous
InactiveIt’s a pretty fluffy article, but the following will be in the June issue of Cheers Magazine, in the Tried and Tested column. Thought I’d preview it to Archiseekers 😉 Just don’t tell the editor.
Dublin might be one of the most pedestrian and cyclist friendly capitals in the world. There are no monumental avenues to cross as there are in Paris or New York. Motorists have mostly been beaten into submission by thousands upon thousands of jaywalkers unlike Rome, the vehicular homicide capital of Europe. The entire city centre slopes gently towards a thin river with a frankly excessive number of bridges. And if the main thoroughfares are packed too tightly with traffic and crowds, a pedestrianised side street is never far away. We actually have it so good that Dubliners have lost all sense of proportion when it comes to distance. It might be an arrow straight road from Cineworld on Parnell St down to Temple Bar but many’s the time that friends and I have ducked into TP Smyths on Jervis St because of “the distance†we would otherwise have to travel from the cinema to a decent pint.
Cheers secret headquarters, a hollowed-out volcano near St. Stephen’s Green, is inconveniently located for northsiders such as myself. Its location was especially inconvenient when I got off the DART at Tara St one evening in May to find an entire month of belated April showers bucketing down. With the usual half-hour walk from the Liffey completely out of the question, the solitary thought that ran through my mind as I pedalled soddenly along Dame St like a starfish on the run was, “thank God for Dublin Bikes.†I was still dripping dolefully when I arrived at the staff meeting, but at least my exposure to the Irish climate had only lasted for ten minutes and not thirty.
Dublin Bikes is a cycling scheme that was launched in September of last year to massive acclaim. The city resounds these days to a gentle trill from the bells of over four hundred rent-a-bikes provided by Dublin City Council and advertisers JC Decaux. From forty stations across the city centre, handsome blue-fendered bicycles are available to revolutionise the Dubliner’s relationship with his city’s streets.
I am a long-time pedestrian and now first-time urban cyclist. Living out on the city’s fringe, where the postcodes meet the county, cycling into town has never been a realistic option for me. My poor bike has been looking at me reproachfully for years now, all too aware of the big, cycle-tracked world that it has long been denied because of the bus stop right outside my front door. In any event, I came to the Dublin Bike scheme with no knowledge of transporting myself by wheel along hectic traffic arteries.
I still remember my first time and that youthful flush of nervous anticipation that I felt as I sidled up to the station beside the GPO. Perpetuating the usual gung-ho enthusiasm that I reserve for stupid notions that enter my head, I had paid the €10 fee for the annual Long Term hire card. I climbed onto a bike and wobbled embarrassingly too and fro until my feet had a grip of the pedals and I of long repressed memories of how to actually cycle. And then, with a beseeching prayer to the Creator, I swung out into traffic with the world, as a friend once unforgettably put it, as my lobster.
It was a revelation on that short initial trip up to the Bull & Castle by Christchurch (I didn’t cycle for my supper so much as for a session) and it remains so today. Dublin is a fantastic city for cycling. With a good pair of legs under you and the bike in the third of its three gears, you’ll find yourself moving at roughly the same speed as most motorised traffic as you curve around Parliament House on College Green and shoot down the middle of Westmoreland St, like an interplanetary space probe breaking orbit. No longer the drudge of the trudge from one end of the city centre to the other when you can freewheel down the long, southside hill from Camden St to the Liffey and then cycle up to the top of Capel St within ten to fifteen minutes. If DIT’s student body cops onto the benefits of these bikes for travelling from one faculty building to another, there’ll be none left for the rest of us. Dublin Bikes bring the points of an already compact city centre even closer together. What has been for decades referred to as “town†now truly feels like one.
I know I’m babbling but these bicycles are an absolute joy. In the week that I wrote this article, I found myself spending a pleasant afternoon criss-crossing the city centre on Dublin Bikes, conducting interviews. Build up speed on the little plateau in the Liberties from High Street to Christchurch and then down little Castle St and Dame Lane, avoiding as many traffic-strewn main roads as possible. A quick turn up South Great George’s St and then a left onto Wicklow St, where the cars were outnumbered by tourists. Then an intrusion onto Grafton St, the mecca of pedestrian Dublin, where my wheels and bell were not appreciated, and a right turn to Nassau St, where the buses could be outpaced and the smart cyclist raises his rear from the saddle, so as to avoid losing a filling from the full-body shocks and vibrations that the potholed surface throws up. And finally to the Georgian serenity of Merrion Square, where I could lazily pedal under the dappled leaves and almost forget that my journey had a destination.
If you haven’t tried Dublin Bikes, then I urge you to pony up the price of a small coffee and buy a three day ticket for €2. Experience the convenience of cycling around town in a bike that you can leave behind at the end of your travels. In the sun, it beats walking. In the rain, it replaces it.
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