The Velibs are coming?
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- August 10, 2009 at 6:17 pm #807312
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Inactive@wearnicehats wrote:
i like the idea of all this – just one question – apologies if answered already:
if I take one to a destination and / or back where I started and the nearest drop off point is full presumably I have to go to the next one and so on and so on. Presumably there will be a map telling me where the nearest one is but I also presume that there’s no way of knowing if there’s any spaces on that on either? what if they’re all full – do I have to stand there until one becomes available?
According to the website:
Terminals at all stations allow you to:
select a db
consult your account
view availability of dbs and stands at other stations
check the station map
Locate a credit card enabled terminalAll sounds very sensible! I hope it actually works!
August 10, 2009 at 6:48 pm #807313Anonymous
Inactive@ac1976 wrote:
According to the website:
Terminals at all stations allow you to:
select a db
consult your account
view availability of dbs and stands at other stations
check the station map
Locate a credit card enabled terminalAll sounds very sensible! I hope it actually works!
could set up a series of mini tours de dub as velib users descend en masse upon the nearest free spot only to find it taken when they arrive. It could spawn a whole new orienteering spin-off. Either that or something akin to the opening scenes of Die-Hard
August 10, 2009 at 9:13 pm #807314Anonymous
InactiveMaybe they’ll double the number if this takes off well.
August 11, 2009 at 12:42 pm #807315Anonymous
Inactive@fergalr wrote:
Maybe they’ll double the number if this takes off well.
Who will? JC Decaux? why would they do that?
the problem with extending the scheme is that you would need the same operator for the whole scheme which is JC Decaux and they would need to be payed or given even more intrusive prime advertising space in the city in return. At the meoment advertising revenue is way down and JC Decaux are making a loss so its very unlikely to happen anytime soon. Unless of course DCC pay the estimated EUR5,000 cost per bike to extend it and pay the operator a fee.
One question, if the service was genuinely uselful and served commuters wouldn’t commuters be prepared to pay a little more for a greater service? Say a monthly subscription or something? Or would that destroy the essence of the Free Bike Scheme?
August 12, 2009 at 10:48 am #807316Anonymous
InactiveThe attached article from Figaro has some interesting points to make, in particular the possible link between the introduction of Velibs and the notable deterioration of safe cycling behavior, with increasing prosecutions. One cyclist in two is reported as behaving illegally. Jumping the lights being the most common fault, using mobile phones another.
Note also the very low share of cycle movements in Paris transport, despite the Velibs.
August 12, 2009 at 11:26 am #807317Anonymous
InactiveA deterioration in safe cycling behaviour is the one concern I’d have about this scheme, not least in how it attracts people who have barely ever cycled in their lives.
Many of the bikes are arriving in the city centre this morning.
August 12, 2009 at 11:53 am #807318Anonymous
InactiveIt’s not what you have got it’s how you use it…
The question you have to ask your self is what is the main destination? i.e. where is the most footfall… Are they afraid of people coming out of pubs at 2am and going loony tunes… But… There is still the destination issue in my head…
August 12, 2009 at 2:36 pm #807319Anonymous
Inactivewebsite is up and running should any of you wish to subscribe…
August 12, 2009 at 2:39 pm #807320Anonymous
InactiveDecent site, phew.
August 13, 2009 at 11:34 am #807321Anonymous
InactiveA story from the London Times today concerning the “Borris Bikes” aka Velibs.
Similar issues re provision of bikes at rail stations are addressed here, just as in earlier postings in this thread, and a possible explanation is suggested.http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article6794001.ece
August 13, 2009 at 11:56 am #807322Anonymous
InactiveIt almost seems that the powers that be want these schemes to fail.
They want to design them to be unpopular and hard to reach.
They want them to be low maintenance and out of reach and out of range.
That’s free urban planning on wheels for you…August 13, 2009 at 12:01 pm #807323Anonymous
InactiveIts just a bit of a gimmick, and The Times are right, investment in proper cycling infrastructure is more important.
I know the Green Party published a cycling policy proposing secure bike parking at major rail stations.
I think this would work very well in Dublin.
http://www.bikescheme.ie/green-party-cycle-plan-dublinAugust 14, 2009 at 12:33 pm #807324Anonymous
InactiveCity’s new bike scheme is promoted by cyclists without helmets
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/citys-new-bike-scheme-is-promoted-by-cyclists-without-helmets-1858979.htmlThe Herald are giving out about this, however it is actually a very controversial issue, some experts say that injuries are not reduced by wearing cycle helmets others say they are!
In 1998 the European Cyclists’ Federation adopted a position paper rejecting compulsory helmet laws as being likely to have greater negative rather than positive health effects.I dont wear a helmet myself when cycling, but I do think the Herald should have touched on the controversy of this issue. I think they did when then pictured Trevor Sargent (and Peaches Geldof) cycling to work (or for Peaches to a club perhaps) helmetless.
August 16, 2009 at 1:53 pm #807325Anonymous
InactiveThe Helmet or not issue seems to be an irresolvable debate, at least going by the vast amount of online fora and articles on the topic.
Some psychologists suggest that not wearing a helmet makes it less likely for one to be struck by a vehicle, as the driver will show more caution because he sees the cyclist as being more vulnerable.
I would suggest, however, that there are far more dangers out there for cyclists than being struck by a vehicle that has seen them. Any close encounters that I have had on my bike have been with cars that haven’t seen me at all, especially at left turns. Indeed it is probable that most accidents occur when one party doesn’t see the other at all, making the study of driver’s actions upon seeing a helmeted/unhelmeted cyclist a bit of a damp squib.
Personally, I would much rather have my helmet absorb an impact than my skull, I’m not sure that even cycleways could supply me with a replacement for the latter.
August 16, 2009 at 2:39 pm #807326Anonymous
InactiveI’ve been cycling round Dublin helmetless and hi-vis less almost every day for many a year, and I have no intention of changing my ways; my only two minor falls have been my completely my own fault, and the majority of near misses have been with pedestrians who don’t bother to check for cyclists when they are crossing the road. That’s not to say that I have never had a close call with a car, but in my experience it was usually not that the driver didn’t see me, but that they choose to cut across me anyway, making left turns, and the worst offenders, taxi drivers pulling in to stop for a passanger. In these instances, the most important safety feature was not a helmet, but working brakes. Poor or non-existant brakes, are a far more widespread problem as many people choose (and particularly students) to keep old and broken bikes to make them less attractive to thiefs.
August 16, 2009 at 3:13 pm #807327Anonymous
InactiveI did say this debate was not easily resolved.
I’ve cycled around Dublin for many years too, with a helmet, and thankfully I’ve never needed it.
Just as I’ve driven a car for many years, and to date have never required use of the seatbelt, but I still wear that.Chances are you’ll never need a helmet spoil_sport, as well I might not, but I’d much rather err on the side of caution.
August 16, 2009 at 6:47 pm #807328Anonymous
InactiveThat is of course a fair point, however, there is a level of risk assessment involved in most activities, in a car, you are travelling fast enough that you could, in the event of an accident be launched through the car window, in that case it is prudent to wear a seatbelt. When walking there is a chance of tripping on a crack, but one generally doesn’t wear knee pads, or bring a full first aid kit for that eventuality. The question then is where does cycling fall between these, personally, I don’t see cycling as a dangerous event.
But, untill someone decides to make it law, the wearing of helmets is a matter of choice, which is why it gets on my tits then when people start finger wagging over a photo of someone without a helmet.August 16, 2009 at 7:02 pm #807329Anonymous
Inactive@spoil_sport wrote:
That is of course a fair point, however, there is a level of risk assessment involved in most activities, in a car, you are travelling fast enough that you could, in the event of an accident be launched through the car window, in that case it is prudent to wear a seatbelt. When walking there is a chance of tripping on a crack, but one generally doesn’t wear knee pads, or bring a full first aid kit for that eventuality. The question then is where does cycling fall between these, personally, I don’t see cycling as a dangerous event.
But, untill someone decides to make it law, the wearing of helmets is a matter of choice, which is why it gets on my tits then when people start finger wagging over a photo of someone without a helmet.I have to say I think that it’s probably more prudent to bring a helmet all the time. But frankly they look stupid and I don’t want to be carrying one around, so I don’t! And I’ll bet that’s the reason most people don’t.
August 16, 2009 at 8:20 pm #807330Anonymous
InactiveThey do feel a bit silly to wear at the start, especially if you wear argos’ finest cheapest helmet like I do, but it does become second nature after a while and it feels strange to me on the odd occasion that i don’t wear it.
spoil_sport’s argument about walking and knee pads is leaky at best, given that one generally doesn’t spend the majority of one’s time walking amongst traffic. I feel that I would find it difficult to do myself a serious injury on the bike purely from my own steam, it’s when those big, fast, four-wheeled vehicles become involved that I feel the need to give myself a sporting chance.
I’m not sure if helmet wearing should be made compulsory, at least not yet.
The general thought is that legislating the wearing of helmets could have a negative effect on the promotion of taking up cycling as an alternative mode of transport.August 16, 2009 at 9:00 pm #807331Anonymous
InactiveI think it comes down to a matter of perception, and not actual safety. This is my main problem with the helmet, it portrays cycling as something dangerous.
I would like to see current stats on how many pedestrians are killed or injured vs cyclists, and a more detailed breadown, but of what I can find:In 2005, out of the total of 399 deaths on Irish roads, 71 (18%) were pedestrians while 11 (2%) were cyclists.
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