The Tara Bypass – what they won’t tell you
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Starting at the top; judgement from An Taisce v National Roads Authority High Court [2007] It was held that the road had not faced proper scrutiny in the absence of a National Roads needs study as laid down by the National Roads Authority Act 1993.
I am working from the NRA traffic movement figures which display traffic counts at specific points on National routes such as the N81 etc, south of Dunshaughlin you have the notorious Blackball fork in the road. There is a consensus to relieve this bottleneck and to by-pass Dunshaughlin. The figures are undisputed by anyone and the 7.5% freight amount proves that the traffic on this route is commuter generated. There is no need for this road on the basis of supporting the industrial base.
You appear to have a problem with balance; I don’t there is a traffic problem as far as Dunshaughlin if the NRA figures are to be believed.
There are 18,153 vehicle movements per day at Tara on average well within the 25,000 movements that wide carriageway i.e. the roads built for most of the 1980’s and 1990’s on routes such as N25, N4, which have similar loadings.
In terms of international experience of heritage imapacts in a word Stonehenge.
I am still waiting for you to address the significance of this road in national terms; for the fifth time
Sue – are you aware of how pointless this road actually is based on the statistics? Nobody begrudges the people of Navan a decent road link to Dublin City Centre (even though you’ll get as far as Blanch and are fucked from there anyway). Rail would make for a better solution in tandem with an upgraded N3 (not a motorway) – you can see from what is happening with the M1 that a ribbon development is building up alongside with retail parks (Balbriggan), Business Parks (large one going in at Gormanstown) and housing developments springing up tagged on to villages like Stamullen.
If the M3 is built all it will do is put pressure on the land surrounding the road to be redeveloped – thus Dublin sprawl will spread further along this route in an unplanned and wholly unneccessary fashion as is per usual in Ireland – this is a chance to call a halt to the developer led Dublin sprawl which is permanently destroying our landscape historical or not.
Oh and denying that Tara was the seat of the High Kings of Ireland is as pointless as denying that the Pharaohs had anything to do with the Pyramids or that Charlie Haughey was corrupt – it’s historical fact I’m afraid
Clearly neither of you are reading my posts:
PVC KIng, I’ve said I’m not engaging in a pointless bandying-about of statistics and traffic reports. An M3 is being built – you’ve lost that argument. I am happy to debate the precise route that M3 is taking
Rory W, I have NOT denied that Tara was the seat of high kings, or whatever. I have said this should not be a millstone around Meath’s neck in perpetuity. There is no problem with building a motorway 2km from the Hill of Tara once proper procedures are being followed, and proper precautions have been taken. They have been…
Your position is ridiculous you won’t discuss numbers but yet claim it is fully justified. I refer again to An Taisce v DoEHLG (NRA) High Court 2007 where the absence of a National Roads needs strategy was a finding. How can a National Route costing €800m plus be justified if its claim is not ranked and identified as a valid use of National Funds? This route was not idenfitied in the Transport Corridors in Eurpoe Section of the NSS
A millstone around the neck of Meath….
If you were eleven you would fail a primary school essay with that.
Sue – are you aware of how pointless this road actually is based on the statistics? Nobody begrudges the people of Navan a decent road link to Dublin City Centre (even though you’ll get as far as Blanch and are fucked from there anyway). Rail would make for a better solution in tandem with an upgraded N3 (not a motorway) – you can see from what is happening with the M1 that a ribbon development is building up alongside with retail parks (Balbriggan), Business Parks (large one going in at Gormanstown) and housing developments springing up tagged on to villages like Stamullen.
If the M3 is built all it will do is put pressure on the land surrounding the road to be redeveloped – thus Dublin sprawl will spread further along this route in an unplanned and wholly unneccessary fashion as is per usual in Ireland – this is a chance to call a halt to the developer led Dublin sprawl which is permanently destroying our landscape historical or not.
Oh and denying that Tara was the seat of the High Kings of Ireland is as pointless as denying that the Pharaohs had anything to do with the Pyramids or that Charlie Haughey was corrupt – it’s historical fact I’m afraid
Spot on
Far from being ridiculous, my position is held by most people in Ireland. You, PVC King, are in a very small minority. I note, for example, that the M3 is not an issue in Meath in this election.
Deal with the numbers and stop claiming the silent majority
Do you think you are Dick Roche or Martin Cullen or one of their cardboard cut outs?
I think the solution to this road is….
Build an M3, Navan etc need it IMO.
Remove the 2 tolls, one is enough.
Move the bloody thing. Fancy trying to build it next to the Hill of Tara. Thats just stupid no matter what way you look at it.Put the thing on a different alignment , remove one of the tolls (or both) and noone would be making such a fuss.
Fix up the rail now too.
Chris your some man for one man!
Don’t agree that Navan needs a motorway but given your views on roads I understand how you might hold such a view.
Im just always in disbelief and the number of times I say the words “How can they possibly be doing something so STUPID” is scary 😀
@Sue wrote:
Clearly neither of you are reading my posts:
PVC KIng, I’ve said I’m not engaging in a pointless bandying-about of statistics and traffic reports. An M3 is being built – you’ve lost that argument. I am happy to debate the precise route that M3 is taking
Rory W, I have NOT denied that Tara was the seat of high kings, or whatever. I have said this should not be a millstone around Meath’s neck in perpetuity. There is no problem with building a motorway 2km from the Hill of Tara once proper procedures are being followed, and proper precautions have been taken. They have been…
is newgrange and the battlle of the boyne heritage sites a millstone around meaths (or droghedas ) neck? located right next to drogheda as tara is to navan.
ps anybody got any visual of the heritage centre of BoftB or planning maps of the to be protected site of the battle.
yep and goddammit if only we could build a highway straight through Trinity College as well we’d be grand, and the Eastern bypass over Sandymount. I’m still p1ssed that the Inner Tangent wasn’t finished in the 80’s to get rid of all them ugly inner city residents. And don’t get me started on the Royal Canal motorway. Sue, you’re an insufferable ill-informed hack on transport issues.
Sue – are you aware of how pointless this road actually is based on the statistics? Nobody begrudges the people of Navan a decent road link to Dublin City Centre (even though you’ll get as far as Blanch and are fucked from there anyway). Rail would make for a better solution in tandem with an upgraded N3 (not a motorway) – you can see from what is happening with the M1 that a ribbon development is building up alongside with retail parks (Balbriggan), Business Parks (large one going in at Gormanstown) and housing developments springing up tagged on to villages like Stamullen.
If the M3 is built all it will do is put pressure on the land surrounding the road to be redeveloped – thus Dublin sprawl will spread further along this route in an unplanned and wholly unneccessary fashion as is per usual in Ireland – this is a chance to call a halt to the developer led Dublin sprawl which is permanently destroying our landscape historical or not.
Oh and denying that Tara was the seat of the High Kings of Ireland is as pointless as denying that the Pharaohs had anything to do with the Pyramids or that Charlie Haughey was corrupt – it’s historical fact I’m afraid
Sue – are you aware of how pointless this road actually is based on the statistics? Nobody begrudges the people of Navan a decent road link to Dublin City Centre (even though you’ll get as far as Blanch and are fucked from there anyway). Rail would make for a better solution in tandem with an upgraded N3 (not a motorway) – you can see from what is happening with the M1 that a ribbon development is building up alongside with retail parks (Balbriggan), Business Parks (large one going in at Gormanstown) and housing developments springing up tagged on to villages like Stamullen.
If the M3 is built all it will do is put pressure on the land surrounding the road to be redeveloped – thus Dublin sprawl will spread further along this route in an unplanned and wholly unneccessary fashion as is per usual in Ireland – this is a chance to call a halt to the developer led Dublin sprawl which is permanently destroying our landscape historical or not.
Oh and denying that Tara was the seat of the High Kings of Ireland is as pointless as denying that the Pharaohs had anything to do with the Pyramids or that Charlie Haughey was corrupt – it’s historical fact I’m afraid
Sue
Deal with the arguments or p**s off
you’ve run out of arguments of your own and now you’re just pasting in other people’s 🙂 hilarious. I hope the clients you “fee” £270 an hour get a better service than this!!
I have tried to deal with you but in a professional environment cases like you just get sent to litigation on the basis of having no valid argument and enjoying the sound of their own voice……….
I doubt the M3 route can be moved at this stage. At least not without huge costs. Presumably contracts have been signed based on the current route.
The road will surely be a huge success so long as success is defined by
* the road having plenty of traffic queuing to get on and get off every morning and evening
* the enrichment of the local connected landowners through CPO, tract housing and retail parks
* the growth of Navan from a small provincial town into a small provincial town surrounded by the serried ranks of tens of thousands of suburban housing unitsNot quite Frank
If the Scheme is clipped at its first Intersection of the existing N3 beyond Dunshaughlin the loses would be minimised. I’m sure there are plenty of other projects clear of planning in the NDP that conform with the NSS for them to be given instead.
Classic Woodstown situation you lose the design fees but little else
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