The Tara Bypass – what they won’t tell you
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The sensible option is to record everything that’s there, preserve it carefully, seal up the site, and build the road over it. Whatever its importance, the site will be better protected under the ground (where it’s been for a few thousand years now) than exposed to the elements with people tramping round it.
I do hope Minister Roche doesn’t give in to all the environmentalist/archeologist hysteria by ordering a costly re-routing of the M3 elsewhere…..
Wouldn’t have expected any different from you Sue
Could you provide a cost benefit analysis justification for the M3 on the basis of traffic flows and population density?
Are you disputing that Meath needs a motorway, PVC King? If so, your argument is even weaker than I thought
Christ almighty, no wonder the development of this country is proceeding at snail’s pace when there are cranks like you about, with the energy to post 3,500 entries to websites complaining about everything and anything:mad:
Over 3.5 years it is not a lot of posts; I also work from 0730 to 2100
For a leading private practice
BTW
Meath has two other motorways and a dual carriageway
I can travel my 4.5 mile commute in an average of 32 minutes
Fat chance of that in Dublin
Chau
RAIL LINE RAIL LINE RAIL LINE
Where’s the Navan Rail Line?
oh yeh and Jobs, what about jobs. We should be cutting out the need to travel by private car not facilitating it with backward proposals like “let’s upgrade all the roads to Dublin, that’ll sort out regional developemnt!!!
especially Meath;s 4th Motorway/HQDC
Let’s just get on with it. Out with the old in with the new. That’s life we have to progress. A couple of old rotting wooden posts that are worthless surely cannot be used as an excuse to hold up an important road project like this. If we had that approach then we would achieve nothing. I hope this isn’t going to end up being another Carrickmines fiasco costing unnecessary millions of €uro and making Ireland the laughing stock of Europe, just because some loop the loops want to get a bit of publicity.
Please provide some elaboration of the importance of this road in national terms…..
http://www.m3motorway.ie/FAQ/#one this link will answer any of your questions PVC!!
Why do we need a new road?
The M3 Motorway is a key part of the plan to upgrade the overall roads network for the country. It will significantly improve road transport connections between the North West and the East of the country. The transport corridor that links the North West, Cavan and North Meath with Dublin City is one of the busiest in the country. The existing road is struggling to cope with the hugely increased volumes brought about by the population explosion in towns such as Dunshaughlin, Navan and Kells, as well as other areas of County Meath.Factually incorrect
The North West is served by the M4/N4 which is a Euroroute and serves Galway, Sligo, Ballina, Catlebar, Athlone, Longford and a host of other medium sized towns. The only other major population centres in the North West Monaghan, Letterkenny and Derry are served by the N2.
The N3 serves Cavan and Navan and thats it
The cost of €800m is a swindle in spatial priority terms and deprives other parts of the country with much more valid claims for infrastructure.
The latest county plan for Meath is talking dezoning because the local infrastructure is in crisis.
For €71m Navan could have had a rail link to Dublin restored but it was rejected by Matin Cullen.
Look PVC you are obviously against progress. Irelands roads are in dire need of an upgrade. The M4/N4 is not relatively near this road and also the traffic volume would be greatly increased if traffic that will use the new M3was diverted to the M4/N4.
Oh Oh.
I win
You my friend LOSE.
HA!
You can come back with some rant if you want but just face up to the fact that the road is needed and will be built.
Exact distance from the M4 to Navan?
Exact Distance from N2 to Navan?
This is not a case of ‘Irelands Roads’ not being in need of a dire upgrade.
I fully support upgrade of M1, M4/6, M7/8 as these are key peices of national infrastructure serving large populations. What is the combined population of Navan, Kells, Cavan?
This is a commuter motorway and there is no justification for this route other than making a packet for the toll operators.
This is Westlink mark 2 and as much as you want to laugh at others fully rationalised arguments you will be paying two tolls a day every day with no alternative as you obviously want this as you are a local.
On existing traffic flows the current usage of the N3 at a peak of 19000 vehicles per day would be well within the capacity range of the M4; a motorway can carry 100,000 vehicles per day. Are you really saying that the existing centre / west Meath road network could cope with an additional 80,000 dublin bound movements per day?
What happens when they all hit the M50?
This road is 500% over spec’d
i don’t know if the road is needed, i don’t care if the road is needed.
The fact of the matter is that the hill is beyond doubt the most important site in ireland. the hill was the seat of the high kings of ireland. now that may not mean anything to you ‘planters’ but it means a hell of a lot to some of us.
the hill was the palace and surronding all capitals is the infrastructure of it. this incluses religious and ceremonial spaces. what they found is obviously one of them. to even consider a road 1200mm away is contemptious of our culture, our identity and our history. but fair enough due process was observed or so we were led to believe.
the fact that this is some pompous minister’s wet dream for his constituients is beyond reproach. there was mention of vive le revolotion by ‘sue’. i agree. let’s cut this persons balls off and hang him and his cronies from the nearest trees. there are some things that cannot be touched for personal gain.Maybe it is time (well it is probably too late) to get international interest in this. The first thing to do is I believe rename the whole area to link it to bigger issues globally.
I would like to suggest that the Boyne Valley be redesignated as Ireland’s “Valley of the Kings”. Just think of all the discoveries by accident and design in the Egyptian equivallent .
There are interesting parallels in culture everywhere in the world at this time. Woudl Egypt plow a road through their valley of the kings?, sorry I guess they would (Aswan Dam)…. anyway you get my drift.
Maybe the next Indiana Jones/Amanda Croft/Da Vinci Code or other conspiracy could be filmed there.
The road is needed full stop. People who live in the areas where it passes through need and want it. Its construction alone will create jobs and as a direct consequence of the road property in the areas it passes through will increase in value. Businesses will want to locate close to the road creating more jobs. A few posts in the ground. Well go to any builders providers and Im sure you will find some similar ones. Probably not rotten and probably in better condition. Once you get them i suggest you dig a hole in your garden and put the postd in the ground. then go to the butchers and get a few bones and then the beach and a few stones and a few scraps of metal from a salvage shop. Then you can go and have fun looking at these things. the thoughts are exciting me…………..NOT.
THIS ROAD AND ALL SIMILAR ROAD PROJECTS TO FOLLOW ARE PROGRESS
THE ROAD IS CLEARLY NEEDED
ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU PVC THAT SHOULD BE LOCKED UP IN A HOME FOR PROMOTING WASTEFUL USE OF MONEY AND RESOURCES.
THESE POSTS AND OTHER ANCIENT AREASWOULD NOT HAVE BEEN UNCOVERED IF THIS ROAD WAS NOT BEING CONSTRUCTED.
SO THEY WERE BURIED UNDER SOIL FOR THE LAST THOUSANDS OF YEARS SO IT WILL BE NO DIFFERENT IF THEY ARE BURIED UNDER A ROAD. PROBABLY BETTER FOR THEIR PRESERVATION.
GET OVER IT.
Exact distance from the M4 to Navan?
Exact Distance from N2 to Navan?
This is not a case of ‘Irelands Roads’ not being in need of a dire upgrade.
I fully support upgrade of M1, M4/6, M7/8 as these are key peices of national infrastructure serving large populations. What is the combined population of Navan, Kells, Cavan?
This is a commuter motorway and there is no justification for this route other than making a packet for the toll operators.
This is Westlink mark 2 and as much as you want to laugh at others fully rationalised arguments you will be paying two tolls a day every day with no alternative as you obviously want this as you are a local.
On existing traffic flows the current usage of the N3 at a peak of 19000 vehicles per day would be well within the capacity range of the M4; a motorway can carry 100,000 vehicles per day. Are you really saying that the existing centre / west Meath road network could cope with an additional 80,000 dublin bound movements per day?
What happens when they all hit the M50?
This road is 500% over spec’d
@FIN wrote:i don’t know if the road is needed, i don’t care if the road is needed.
The fact of the matter is that the hill is beyond doubt the most important site in ireland. the hill was the seat of the high kings of ireland. now that may not mean anything to you ‘planters’ but it means a hell of a lot to some of us.
the hill was the palace and surronding all capitals is the infrastructure of it. this incluses religious and ceremonial spaces. what they found is obviously one of them. to even consider a road 1200mm away is contemptious of our culture, our identity and our history. but fair enough due process was observed or so we were led to believe.
the fact that this is some pompous minister’s wet dream for his constituients is beyond reproach. there was mention of vive le revolotion by ‘sue’. i agree. let’s cut this persons balls off and hang him and his cronies from the nearest trees. there are some things that cannot be touched for personal gain.@Shadow wrote:
Maybe it is time (well it is probably too late) to get international interest in this. The first thing to do is I believe rename the whole area to link it to bigger issues globally.I would like to suggest that the Boyne Valley be redesignated as Ireland’s “Valley of the Kings”. Just think of all the discoveries by accident and design in the Egyptian equivallent .
There are interesting parallels in culture everywhere in the world at this time. Woudl Egypt plow a road through their valley of the kings?, sorry I guess they would (Aswan Dam)…. anyway you get my drift.
Maybe the next Indiana Jones/Amanda Croft/Da Vinci Code or other conspiracy could be filmed there.
Would be a very positive outcome.
Fin
I don’t doubt your sincerity on this
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