The Spike
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- June 24, 2003 at 10:08 am #722298
urbanisto
ParticipantI was in a race to see if I could put that post up first! What a LOADS OF B*****!
June 24, 2003 at 7:50 pm #722299GrahamH
ParticipantI was thinking of that only the other day, having an illumination on one of the longest days of the year!
Now if it had been completed in December – in the middle of the Christmas rush, & illuminated at 5.00pm to thousands of adoring worshippers…
July 4, 2003 at 10:36 am #722300dpower
ParticipantFirstly, let me say that I like the Spire, but let’s face it- There have been too many mistakes. The whole thing has been one long amateur hour (more like an amateur decade!).
The concept itself wasn’t exactly a “thinker” and the structure and engineering involved was relatively simple.
Any architect worth his salt should have considered environmental damage- the shot-peening just doen’t work. Much harder to tarnish a smooth surface- you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Didn’t anyone even consider the shut lines just wouldn’t look right on such a vertical structure? Were any steps taken to minimize this effect? I don’t think so. Don’t think you can blame the manufacturers either- I believe they were working to ridiculous tolerences, so once again the blame lies with the architect.And don’t even get me started on the base design- the form was just fine, the “guilding” was unneccesary- why not just stick “Superspike 2000” on it somewhere and a “as seen on TV” decal. I thought guiding had died with the industrial revolution.
July 4, 2003 at 11:31 am #722301notjim
Participantas it happens i am a rocket scientist and i don’t think you are right about the shot-peening and staining.
July 4, 2003 at 12:30 pm #722302dpower
ParticipantFirstly, I don’t appreciate your condescending tone.
I believe the shot peening was a poor choice and a misuse of technology. I do concede that shot peening would help strengthen the structure- although in this case the effects would be negligible due to the sheer thickness of the steel. And any finish other than polishing weathers badly, whether its brushed aluminium or starked plastic.
Technology for technologies sake. Sounds great in the brochure stuff- “using a technique that was developed for the aerospace industry”.
Now lets talk aesthetics-
The polished section on the base looks better than the shot peened finish (just an opinion).July 4, 2003 at 9:47 pm #722303GrahamH
ParticipantThe CC were offered 4 options for its finish, ranging from ‘extreme shot-peen’ – to less dimpled – to even less again – & finally a completely smooth polished finish.
I belive they did’nt go for the polished finish because they thought it would be ‘a bit much’, and so went for the next step up, ie, very lightly shot peened.
I’d say they were wary, in light of all the controversy surrouding it, that they might end up with a blindingly bright pole in the middle of the street & so opted for the less extreme option.
July 4, 2003 at 10:30 pm #722304notjim
Participantdpower, i really am a rocket scientist, that’s the thing. anyway, my feeling would be that the polished stainless steel would stain too, but that stain would look worse because you would see lines and patches of stain. however, that isn’t a professional opinion, i don’t actually know anything about stainless steel in my professional capacity (as a rocket scientist).
July 7, 2003 at 10:03 am #722305GregF
ParticipantIs’nt that ad a good one with the spire writing ‘thank you’ for the Special Olympics on the pitch of Croker……Great using two modern Irish emblems so as to lodge in the minds of the Irish public ….which can be very slow to grasp new additions to our urban landscape.
July 7, 2003 at 10:28 am #722306urbanisto
ParticipantWhat do you think of the lighting on the top….? I think it looks a bit naff…maybe it will take getting used to. The base will be uplighted won’t it but are their plans to light the Spire from surrounding buildings?
Also those dodgy bollards at the base don’t actually look as bad as first feared now they are complete. Personally, I think the should have been left out.
July 7, 2003 at 10:36 am #722307dpower
ParticipantSorry notjim, on reflection I was a little harsh, and I never doubted that you were a rocket scientist. I’m an Industrial Designer, and believe that you are quite right about the Spire staining even if it were polished- but I think the shot peening is far more likely to stain and harder to clean. I would love to have some information about the environmental impact of the spire- I don’t agree that it would have been “a bit much”.
I haven’t seen the lights yet (apart from the news) and I would love to go into town and watch the thing being unveiled this morning. Even got a mention by David McWilliams this morning on Newstalk. Mixed reviews.July 7, 2003 at 10:57 am #722308GregF
ParticipantI thought the light on the top was going to be brighter
July 7, 2003 at 1:32 pm #722309Rory W
ParticipantIts photosensitive so the darker it gets the brighter it shines
July 7, 2003 at 2:56 pm #722310Anonymous
Inactivefrom the outskirts of the city it looks as if it gets brighter every few seconds and then fades again, guess its to do with the speed of light and all that stuff, think it looks good but thought the perforated section was longer …
any lights on the base yet ? and did they bother giving it that “bit of a clean” that was rumored ??
July 7, 2003 at 3:03 pm #722311urbanisto
ParticipantIt certainly didn’t look like they had cleaned it on Saturday, when I last saw it. I can’t imagine that cleaning it would be so small a job they would have done it on Sunday.
I was also thinking that it will be a nightmare to build the plaza and keep traffic running smoothly. Still the granite has started to arrive and the area has been smoothed out… progress at last.
July 7, 2003 at 4:45 pm #722312Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThere was a very big crane being built in O’Connell Street on Saturday, presumably to take the temporary light off the top, but it may have been used for cleaning it as well.
July 7, 2003 at 7:26 pm #722313GrahamH
ParticipantI only saw a glimpse of the lit tip on the news, is the illuminated part divided into 3 sections?
There appeared to be 2 lines going across the tip, dividing it into thirds which looked silly, could have been a visual distortion though, it was TV3 news after all.
But speaking of silly, the light half way up piercing through, looks like its there for good, the Irish Aviation Authority have got their way.
July 7, 2003 at 10:34 pm #722314notjim
Participantit is divided into three, not sure why. i have only seen it from about a mile away and its pretty good, very white, but not enough is lit. what’s the story with the floodlighting?
July 8, 2003 at 9:26 am #722315ew
ParticipantShould be split in 4×4 I thought. See
http://www.fantasyjackpalance.com/fjp/photos/spike/spike-030115-18-tip-detail.jpg
I didn’t think it’d be noticable from the ground though.
July 8, 2003 at 9:48 am #722316GregF
ParticipantI saw the over-rated ‘cast bronze base’ and it just looked like an ordinary paving grill, that one see around a tree…. (but we lack them here too, a plonk of tar does the job). So much for the fancy talk and the original concept of having Mercury and lighting in it’s base. I saw the surface of the spire itself too and they never even cleaned it …..there is a marked contrast between the recently uncovered part and the part that has been exposed to the elements. So much for the reports of it being self cleaning and getting an odd polish now and again…..but since they can’t even polish it up for it’s opening ceremony ……well sure who cares, no one does ….fuck it all.
We deserve what we get here in Ireland….I’m sure the LUAS will be a disappointment too……sure wait till it’s vandalized as well. What a waste of money.
The out going Lord Mayor Dermot Lacey summed it all up in his naive and ignorant character when he objected to the proposal initially but on it’s opening was singing it’s praises. What an artless man of no vision like all of the TD’s and councillors that riddle our country. So much for our new Lord Mayor Royston Brady….no doubt he’ll be another dim witted artless clone.
Me…I’m off to join the masses of not giving a shite about anything either.July 8, 2003 at 10:52 am #722317redeoin
ParticipantNow that the Spire has been up for a while, I am not 100% convinced by it, and would probably give it a 5 out of 10. This is bearing in mind that I was firm advocate of it based on the plans.
I like –
1. The height. It is very very high, and that is good.
2. The lights on top – they look really well, and shimmer when the spire sways.
3. it in the day when it is sunny – which is sadly rare enough
4. at night when it is lit up – as the stains and material is less evident.
I dislike –
1. The stainless steel: It looks like the taps in my kitchen, and I feel cheated because I had been persuaded it would look like something else. It looks tinny and cheap.
2. Cloudy Days: On cloudy days it looks especially dull and tinny and all the dirt on it looks highly visible. It looks like someone has been hurling icecream at it, as there lots of large blotches, never mind the large streaks as far as the eye can see.
3. The base: Were they insane. I can’t over the peeled wrapper look.
4. The location: I think on retrospect it does not in the architectural terms so beloved of the Dublin City Council ‘take it’s cues from it’s surroundings’. Talbot street is very rundown, and Henry St very narrow, and looking at the Spire from either of those angles always disappoints me, as it doesn’t elevate the character of the street. I probably would have opted for a stone structure of some sort, maybe half or two thirds as high. Stone has such inherent character as a material, it would have worked wonders.
However when the Street is complete, and the treescapes planted, it may fit in better. I would plant quite high trees close to the monument if possible, to at least attempt to integrate that peeled wrapper look into something more natural.
And why can’t they simply clean as far up as possible with a large firehose once a week? It would be done in every other city.
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