The Bertie bowl revisited
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Well the Bertie Bowl is not to be built……..seemingly we have no funds in the kitty……….We were rolling in dosh last year……
Hospitals are more important….aka looking after those who have lived an unhealthy lifestyle, as in smoking, over eating and over drinking….and have reaped the just rewards of their unhealthy lifestyle in their latter days.
Why I ever voted for those c**nts….aka FF……and the taggers on PD’s…….
So the Scotland /Ireland Euro 2008 soccer bid is out the winddow….our country has lost out again and have let other people down…..
What a backward little shit hole.
Let’s open up Croker then …….the selfish GAA C**nts ………..pardon the expletives by the way….I doubt very much if they will open it up…even though the general public has paid for its redevelopment….and that includes Soccer and Rugby fans too.Its a total cop-out, stadiums aren’t profit-making so there’s no way the private sector will get involved. The whole Croke Park thing is a red herring since the FAI and IRFU have more sense than to become tenants of that crowd. Well at least we have Lansdowne road with its 20,000 capacity for the next WC qualifiers, wonder what kind of an atmosphere there’ll be with no fans behind either goal? I have to say I’m rapidly losing patience with this country.
Yeah I thought you might do that, couldn’t help myself I’m afraid. I think its fair to say I’m not Mary Harneys number 1 fan.
yeah i’m pretty pissed off with this bullshit too… where do we go from here, we’re looking at playing football & rugby in bloody landsdowne for at least another 10 years assuming it doesn’t fall down first.
Obviously the private sector is not going to bother its arse coming to our rescue … unless if there are a few more people willing to donate like J.P did and and i doubt that very much
There will probably never be a time when some gobshite can’t argue that the health service or education should take precedence so i have to conclude that we will probably never have a national stadium, save one falling off the moon and landing conveniently in abbotstown
bye bye euro 2008.
p.s where the hell is the bloody spike??
Remember the proposal a few years ago…. aka The Sonas Centre which involved the building of a 65,000 seater stadium, hotels and a casino…….the casino being it’s single downfall……it was refused by An Bord Pleanala, Politicians, Castleknock Mercedes Driving Residents and all …..not forgetting the religious brigade, seemingly the casino would corrupt us pure, clean living, Catholic Irish folk……..hee hee, what a joke………and what ignorant pricks in hindsight. Bring back the Sonas Centre aka private developers….if they are still willing.
Progressive Democrats …..morelike Regressive Democrats……..but judging by Mary Harney’s waistline …..she was probably crap at sport in school and was never in any way involved in any sports ……very true ……it is all psychology.
Sport = a healthy lifestyle.I am very glad to see that people are upset……it is the whole of the country and people of Ireland that will lose out….I bet the National Conference Centre will not be built either…..another major loss for the city of Dublin and Ireland.
It is understood that you have to spend money… aka invest ……to make money…..Irelands profile on the European stage is greatly damaged …..all we need now is another ‘NO’ in the Nice Referendum……..We will then be truely classed as the thick ignorant begging bowl Irish….no better than our Unionist ‘No’ brigade counterparts…..stubborn and foolish…..here comes the good bad old days again. The ghost of Dev will forever linger on…….
It is gas the way the opposition are now saying that it is an embarrssment for the government (and it is too) that the National Stadium will not go ahead now ….but they were the ones who whole heartly objected to it in the first place…..and used the ‘hospital waiting list ‘slant in the last general election.
Visit http://www.scotsman.com and read opinion on Euro 2008 joint bid. Certainly makes interesting reading from a Scottish point of view . Boy they must be so sorry that they did not team up with their Welsh neighbours for this one. I bet heads will roll in Scotland over this one and our “Carry on Gang” will hang on to theirs as is usual here.
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What a bizarre tale this is turning out to be. As the Irish Time is PAYG now I have to rely on snippits but its seems to me to be a total fiasco! Personally I think that the government should resing over this…not because of the Stadium itself – but because it is the most stark example of the lies FF (and PDs) put about before the election, ie that they were proven competent managers of the states finances. I think the point is entirely valid…last year Jim McDaid was forever telling us how affordable this project was in our Brave New Tiger country. Now, its is unrealisitic. What a balls up!
I hope Bertie is cringing today as he reads the Scotsman!
How much money has already been wasted on this thing? How much did the pool out there cost to build and what purpose does it now serve? How much will the FAI be able to sue the government for – Eircom Park could have been built by now and at a fraction of the price? The worst thing about this fiasco is that a fortune has already been spent and once again we have absolutely nothing to show for it.
At least the Spike will be built, the foundations are already in place and it can only be a matter of a couple of months now.
There’s no need to bring the swimming pool into it, that was needed to stage the Special Olympics and after that it’ll stage the European short-course championships, so its already proving its worth. Even apart from that its a very valuable training centre for our swimmers who at last now have two 50m pools to use (Limerick and Abbotstown). The more world-class facilities we have the better.
The GAA decide to keep their Cathedral of Dreams while the Scottish FA endure this Irish nightmare and the rest of us dream on but unlike the Scots are not surprised nor shocked we just wonder how the canny Scots swallowed it from the start ?
I think the centralised concept was a bad idea – we would still have the situation that soccer (where the ball need to flow freely) is being played on a rugby (ploughed up) pitch (a don’t say FA Cup at Millenium Stadium – it takes place well after the end of the rugby season) what we need is a redeveloped Lansdowne and an eircom park. Give each entity an stadium that it can be proud of. Only at Ireland V England could a rugby international fill an 80,000 capacity stadium (and a lot of them would be the old enemy brigade) imagine Ireland V Italy – the place would look deserted.
eicom park only failed because of government interference – its timing was good, at height of Celtic Tiger (RIP) and it had the right sort of capacity for the Irish Soccer Team. It was also a home the FAI and Irish soccer fans could have been proud of.
As with everything in this country, everything gets kicked around by “Uncle Tom Cobbly and all” just waiting for inflation to kick in and nothing gets built.
2 suitably sized stadia (redeveloped lansdowne and eircom park) would probably be better for applications to host events of this nature – surely these could be fast tracked.
Back to the drawing board folks!
Interesting comments from Noel Smyth, the chairman of Dunlow Ewart:
http://www.onbusiness.ie/2002/0916/stadium.html
He seems to be interested in building the stadium along with some other things under the right circumstances. I think the key to getting the private sector involved is the actual site at Abbotstown itself, it must be very valuable land so if a private consortium can get it say at a favourable price they could build the stadium along with high-density housing, an indoor arena etc and make money.
Actually, the more I think about it the better it sounds (in theory) – the country could potentially get a stadium, an arena and some other things as well as a lot of new high-density housing which can only be a good thing for hard-pressed house-hunters (provided its done right). I have a bad feeling though that the PDs will object to offloading the site for less than its worth, even though the potential gain to the country is fairly great. Anyway, I refuse to get excited about this because something always gets in the way of these things and ruins it.
So an indoor arena is a profit making proposition? I don’t believe it. Everyone says these things, but if it’s such a great development property why don’t we see lots of them being built?
But the Odyssey Arena in Belfeirste is a great success ………..it was developed by private developers………..It was shot down as usual when first proposed ………aka white elephant……they said the ice hockey rink would not be a success…….but it is…….it is a great success.
The trait of us Irish methinks…… can’t visualize anything.
An indoor arena in Dublin would corner the market for concerts and shows, the Point would become obsolete overnight (which is no bad thing) because of the greater capacity and facilities. This is apart from ice-hockey games, which may or may not catch on, its difficult to say. Most major British cities have large indoor arenas, so presumably it is a profitable venture or they wouldn’t have come about in the first place.
I’m not a big GAA supporter but I think that they are perfectly entitled to refuse a competing sport the use of a stadium they have built, mostly from their own funds.
They took a chance at a time when they were not sure where most of the money would come from. I remember headlines and back page commentary which said that the vision was beyond the resources and capabilities of a voluntary organisation and that they would surely bankrupt the GAA for generations to come!.
So they got a handout from the government. That’s hardly their fault! They asked and they received! It was up to the government to decide if they were entitled to it or not and also up to them to lay down any conditions relating to the payment at the time, i.e let in ‘foreign’ sports or no game!
The fault should lie fair and square at the governments door. They messed things up. Its up to them to sort it out. No use crying to the GAA now expecting favours.
Of course they will put the heavy hand on them now that things have started going awry.
Its the latest in a long line of calamities- (roads, railways, metro, luas, education, health, SSIA’s and not to mention broken election promises) and it won’t be the last.
Someone needs to ensure that the Coalition aren’t bailed out of this one.
I think that the problem lies in the fact that successive governments look on these schemes (metro, luas, various stadia) as a chance to embark on a ‘Grand Projet’ akin to Francois Mitterand. We saw this with the various transformations the Luas/Metro plans went through during their conception.I say let those in the know get on with the planning and implementation of these projects and the government should get on with the day to day running of the country. Control should not be given to an individual, often with no relevant qualifications, who can reverse the decisions of expert consultants.
Maybe then the health care and education system would rise from their ruinous states when they get the focus they deserve from a government that is at the moment distracted with trying to sort out a few soccer games in 2008.
What proportion of government time has been dedicated to this over the past number of weeks I wonder?Without interference the FAI & IRFU would have managed to build their own Stadium by now.
The Luas and metro would also probably be built.On a final note I’m also fed up with people who are concerned about how all this will make us look in Europe. We should try to get things right for ourselves not for others.
I want to feel proud of our country and our capital city. I want to have top class transport and sports facilities. I want us to vote yes to the Nice treaty. I want to do this for ourselves (and in the case of the Nice treaty to give other countries the opportunity share the wealth of the EU)
I couldn’t care less that what we do or how we vote might make us look stupid. Enough with this inferiority complex which seems to concern so many of us (especially newspaper columnists)!Without a brief based on a business plan it’s all silly. Revenues, event and non-event; operating costs, financing costs…it must be driven by the tenants who will be left with the obligations. Easy enough to stand by and say what should happen, difficult if you have to sign the guarantees.
the gaa are hypocrits, american football anyone??? banning specific sports from a stadium (which would not have been able to proceed past the redevelopment of the cusack stand without the allocation of taxpayers money) is childish & immature.
It appears that even the gaa are beginning to cop on to the unsustainability of their position and is looking increasingly likely that they will allow other sports to be played in croke park, but will deliberately drag their heels past the december deadline and therefore severly damage the chances of our bid being successful.
They should grow up and bite the bullet now, as a national organisation it should have the national interest at heart, and i think that hosting Euro 2008 is in the national interest…
They do deserve credit for having the foresight to get up off their arses in the first place and begin the construction of their own stadium, but should also realise that without taxpayers money, the completion date for the stadium would have been at least another ten years down the road.
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