Talbot Street, Dublin
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It’s interesting that if you take out the corner glazing, the building falls flat on its face in design terms.
Here’s the new residential infill, again from a few weeks ago – the ground floor has since been clad in lots & lots of shiny granite:
21/12/2004
Here’s some more pics of two neighbouring developments on the street, the contrast in quality between the two is notable. Both are across the road from ‘Independent House’.
This one is the better of the two, a very good quality red-brick has been used in this building and the overall standard of finish is very high. The over-use of brick recently has recieved a lot of criticism and justly so in most instances, but it still has a role to play and is more than suited to attractive pieces of infill such as this. The timber detail is equally fine.
Perhaps one criticism to be made here is why red brick had to be used – brown could have worked equally well next to the stock brick of the neighbouring Victorian pub.@Graham Hickey wrote:
And the neighbouring development – predictable stuff:
that last Building is shite – looks like it cost 50p to ‘design’
Super Valu is sharpening its knives directly across the road – hopefully they’ll eat it alive.
The last building is quite literally a box with holes punched in for windows – the brick used is not nice either, that multi-shade variety.
You have to love the chateau first floor windows though, all that’s missing are some Louis XVI frilly balconies and a grieving maiden or two 🙂@Graham Hickey wrote:
Super Valu is sharpening its knives directly across the road – hopefully they’ll eat it alive.
The last building is quite literally a box with holes punched in for windows – the brick used is not nice either, that multi-shade variety.
You have to love the chateau first floor windows though, all that’s missing are some Louis XVI frilly balconies and a grieving maiden or two 🙂You’re so roght about the supervalue it is huge in comparison to the Spar and has a much more user freindly format as well.
Regarding the latest addition to the Street as it is Christmas I will be generous, the proportion is quite good… for a piece of furniture.
Now that Iceland are pulling out of the Republic (the supermarket that is :)), and Musgraves & Co are sniffing about, what’s the likelihood of another Spar/Centra/Super Valu/Mace moving in to their Talbot St unit?
It would officially be the Convenience Capital of Western Europe.
I don’t know what the locals do when they venture out to other areas of the city – must be shell-shocked at the notion of having to walk more than 8 yards for a pint of milk 😮I’m glad Iceland are pulling out – one less UK brand in Ireland. Let just hope that Tesco don’t snap up all of Iceland’s stores. Grrr
I`m not as yet convinced by all of this “Convienience Store” stuff……..well ok maybe the Con….bit..
The entire genre appears to owe little to any sense of community or the oft misused term “Living City”.
One of the most enduring aspects of a visit to Paris for example is the surprising number of Owner Operated SHOPS as opposed to sterile mini-markets such as Super/Spar/mace etc etc.
These little places appear to subscribe to the open-all-hours principle and feature the proprietor and family members sitting readin or listenin to Arab radio stations.
From experience these places stock a range of “Stuff” easily as great as the SterileStore and often in sensible open portions too.
I am old enuf to remember the debate which surrounded our entrance into the EEC and the political heavies who were wheeled out to tell the native Irish that we had to modernize or face eternal damnation and be lost forever.
The corner shop simply had to go,it was inefficent,unhealthy and unable to cater for the then modern societal needs (1970`s).
Well shiver me timbers,whaddya know……having popped a waistband button on my trousers during a visit to Brussels last year I was directed to a small seamstress/haberdashery where at nine o clock of an evening I was able to have that single button refitted in jig time for €2 by a VERY nimble fingered lady.
Thankfully a large swathe of Europe has managed to take the Original bland grey mass of EEC/EU regulations and use the bits of value to them whilst nodding in the direction of the rest.
Ireland,however,in its rush to be liked continues to impliment and police quite a few of the more nonsensical ones as was witnessed by last years fiasco in Galway when the Local Health Boards resident young PC zealot swooped on the French Farmers Market which had been Invited to operate there during arts festival week .
The youtful grad dutifully slapped closure orders on a number of the stalls on a wide range of public health issues.
Sadly the Health Board had not the Balls to question itself as to why France,with its preponderance of such food and produce markets manages to keep its citizens remarkably free from some of the forms of Cancers and Circulatory diseases which continue to ravage the native Irish population whilst the frogs sell their cheese and agricultural produce fresh from the farm without chilling and wrapping it in plastic first.
Or maybe its the lack of a good home grown grape variety that is the nub of the problem…… 🙂I fully agree with poeples thoughts on the convenience store pandemic thats recently hit the city 🙂 It getting out of hand…in fact its gotten out of hand. I know that the CC last year refused an application on OConnell St on the ground that there wer more than enough of these stores about. They really should think about other areas pf the city. The fact that these stores figure on so many of the threads here says it all.
I think it highly likely a convenience store will want this location but the fact is there is a large SuperValu just completed at Independent House, a large Spar across thew road, a Dunnes Stores on North Earl Street and about 5 other newsagents/convenince stores on the street (including another Spar, a Centra and another Centra on the way for N Earl St!!) Surely thats sufficent.
But of course we know well that the CC are hesitant to intervene in the market…they woud rather moan from the sidelines or else let things go to rack and ruin and then pick up the pieces (rather expensively) in 10 years time and say it will never happen again (OConnell St anyone). Ate last night at Talbot 101 – possibly the only decent restaurant in the hole area! John Fitzgerald wants more but his planners seem intent only on pandering to the needs of the convenince store lobby. Give us a bit more variety to our streets. If the market wont do it of its own accord then oblige them to! 😡
Just on this building at the junction of Marlborough Street as mentioned in another thread, it really is a shame what a decrepit state it is in:
Not only is it a lovely building, reminicent of many European townhouses, but it also appears to be a very rare early Victorian facade in a city centre that was stripped of them in 1916 and 1922.
It’s actually a good example of what parts of then Lower Sackville Street used to be like: tall Wide Streets Commission buildings with applied Regency/Victorian stucco decoration, though in this case it seems the entire building dates from the 1830s-40s, possibly even townhouses orginally which would make it rarer still.
The windows are so remarkably early that it’s a wonder they’ve survived – that’s Talbot Street for ya 🙂
Simple 1820-1840s horns:
Also unusually tall elegant windows:
The stucco requires a lot of repair:
At last the bulding was recently sold, marketed as suitable for apartment development to the rear, so hopefully we’ll see some action soon. Surprisingly this building isn’t protected from what I can make out, so those Georgian sashes may very well disappear.
Note it’s also heavy stapled at the top:Has anything been done to this building or any application been made to alter its internal arrangement.
Something really should be done as this is really very unsightly and undermines much of the progress made on other sections of the street in recent years.
That stucco building above could be lovely.
Does anybody know what is happening with these hoarded off buildings (below) on Talbot Street? Can’t search cos I don’t have street numbers (& can’t be arsed trawling through 177 Talbot St apps on the CC’s site).
The building up against the bridge is quite nice. It is clearly a late-Victorian or Edwardian copy of a Dutch-influenced, late-17th/early-18th century house with narrow windows & decorative gable, the ones we are told Dublin was full of back then. A lot of original gable-fronters were still being demolished throughout the 20th century, as documented by Maurice Craig, yet this careful copy shows that there must have been some awareness of their type around 1900 ..….. or …… is it a refacing of an original which had a similar facade? That would be quite interesting. Either way, I hope it is not just about to be demolished ….. hope ….
Had a brief chat with the proprietot of the internet cafe that was there before it started to redevelop. He said it was structurally unsound but the council wouldn’t let the owners knock it. From viewing the inside of the building from the top deck of the bus I think this is the case. There are a lot of RSJ’s and other supporting beams up inside the shell at present. The internet cafe guy was hoping to relet the premises when finished
Nos. 42,43,44 and 45 were the ‘New Electric’ cinema in 1938 and before that the ‘Electric’ was at 44 and 45 (from 1911).
It later became a ‘Cinerama’ with the associated big screen in 1963 and in 1972 the Capitol moved there following its closure in Prince’s Street. It continued as a cinema til 1974, was empty til about 1977 or so and then became a carpet showroom.
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