T2 & Pier D Images

T2 seems to be progressing fairly well, I’ve been through Dub Airport twice in the last month and its moving fairly quickly. Pier D is also very nice (a long bloody walk) but spacious and bright which is nice (also there’s a bar down there :)) but the only problem is that the signs showin gate numbers are really small.Still I think pier D is quite a well designed extension to the airport.

Also, the DAA have applied to An Bord Pleanala for permission to build an extension to Pier D, i.e. they are seeking a declaration that such permission falls under the Strategic Infrastrure process and can bypass Fingal’s planning processes. The extension will add 7 new gates and will be a continuation of the current building.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34886552@N00/2658441544/sizes/o/

They will have to rearrange the roads before they can start on the front section.

@ForzaIrlanda wrote:

also there’s a bar down there 🙂

Oh, it’s a very classy little bar until you glance upwards and realise that they never fitted a ceiling. It’s just pipes and other usually hidden paraphenalia :p

T2 airport hotel

More DAA back slapping in the new T2 video for August

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/Image_Bank/T2_video_010808.mpg

(press play)

like the terminal though:)

Is this the actual cladding that will be onTerminal 2?

On second inspection, the above image does not seem to show the outer skin of terminal 2.

insulation?

I found floor plans for the new terminal on the Fingal Co Co website if anyone is interested.

planning application is F06A/1248 on http://www.fingalcoco.ie

There is a document called ‘Floor Plans’ on one of the pages which details everything, it’s 50MB though. Check in will be on the ground floor (with the baggage hall behind), departures hall/security on the second floor, with baggage reclaim and arrivals on the first floor.

@archipig wrote:

Is this the actual cladding that will be onTerminal 2?

There’s some info on the cladding here. That looks like the first layer maybe.

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/Latest_News/150808_cladding.html

T2 progressing well…. pics from daa website

More pictures of Terminal 2:

There’s new timelapse footage of T2 construction on the DAA site.

Hi-res timelapse is here http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/FAQs/timelapse_high.html or click here http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/FAQs/timelapse_low.html for a lower res version.

Construction has started on the check in building (facing the main T2 structure) the alignment for the road to T1 between the two structures is now clearly visible.

@Peter Fitz wrote:

Construction has started on the check in building (facing the main T2 structure) the alignment for the road to T1 between the two structures is now clearly visible.

They are a month in at this stage alright. Looks like they are making good progress as per seen last week by myself.

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/Latest_News/131008_steel.html

The first elements of the steel structure for the T2 check-in hall at Dublin Airport were erected this afternoon.

The check-in hall for Terminal Two is located in front of the main T2 terminal building, which is now well under construction.

T2 contractor Watson Steel lifted the first steel column for the check-in hall into position at about 3.20pm this afternoon, having earlier unloaded several truck loads of steel at the check-in hall site.

Over the past six months, the steel frame of T2’s main passenger terminal has transformed the airport skyline. But with the check-in hall now beginning to take shape, the full design of Terminal Two will become more obvious to both passengers and staff.

Steel erection began at T2 on March 31, when the first elements of the baggage hall were lifted into position. Work began on the frame of the terminal proper in May.

October 13, 2008

@johnny21 wrote:

T2 airport hotel

YUK.:mad: – What a mess. Who is responsible for this monument to a lack of imagination ?
Things like this would find difficulty getting planning permission in an industrial estate on the outskirts of Dusseldorf, yet our planners have no problem allowing such a monolithic, illiterate and mundane structure to grace the principal entry point to the country.
First impressions last, and anyone arriving into Dublin airport for the first time would probably pass this place by under the assumption that it is just another office block in the airport complex. A lost opportunity.

@johnny21 wrote:

T2 airport hotel

The post I submitted above refers to an image for a new airport hotel submitted by “johnny21” on 25/07/2008.

Whew! that’s a relief! I thought the new terminal looked suitably bloated and corporate as I approached it on Aircoach (and I thought the ‘old’ treminal environs had been greatly improved by recent works). It’s virtually impossible to read the airport as an entity, but that doesn’t mean it’s all bad – and, for me at least, it all worked, which is all that I ask of an airport. Sometimes, they are an aesthetic experience (cf. Cork, Palma), but the railway stations of the 21st C they generally are not.

This site might be of interest.

http://www.daa4starhotelandmscp.com

Yes, that does look awful and is an affront to any sense of aesthetics (and just when I thought m/s carparks were getting better). I presume the sticky-out tube does actually go somewhere and is not just for the vomitose effluent emitted by offended aesthetes.

Of the two tubes, the one connected no nothing in the visual is not in the planning application. Presumably it’s future pie in the sky to connect to the overground part of the adjacent Metro station.

Anyone know what the story is with Corballis House?
I remember reading somewhere that it had to be rebuilt “brick by brick” elsewhere in order to make room for T2 as it was a protected building. Where is it now?
I always admired the way that the airport expanded over the years while the house stood untouched.

Corballis was demolished and is no longer with us except in memory and in pictures.:(

I was under the impression myself that it was to be re-built elsewhere in the airport, not quite it seems.

@DAA wrote:

The early stages of the project required
the removal of a number of existing
buildings at the T2 site including the
formerly listed Corballis House.
Prior to the controlled demolition of
Corballis House, the DAA made a detailed
record of the property and its history. All
items of architectural merit from the house
were also carefully salvaged prior to its
demolition.

The DAA plans in time to re-use all the
salvaged material, including doors, window
frames, shutters and floor tiles in the
renovation of Cloghran Stud Farm,which is
located close to Dublin Airport. It is also
possible that some of the decorative
plasterwork, salvaged from Corballis House,
will be incorporated within T2.

On October 2006 , it was reported:

Fingal County Council.has attached 43 conditions to the planning permission. The decision however allows for the demolition of Corballis House.

@Flyboy wrote:

The DAA has put new new construction images of T2 on its website. They also have shots of Pier D at Dublin Airport. Pictures are in the Image Bank area

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/Overview/

RE – Flyboy’s initial post that opened this thread.
Yer man in the second photo has been sitting there for a long time now. (Almost six months). He must be waiting for the metro into town, bless him.

11.00. Thursday 22/01/07

@fergalr wrote:

Oh, it’s a very classy little bar until you glance upwards and realise that they never fitted a ceiling. It’s just pipes and other usually hidden paraphenalia :p

True ………

Going up fast…….!!!!!

Pics from flickr.com

they arenit hanging around are they! its flyin up.what airlines are going to use the new terminal, is it to be exclusively aer lingus like BA use T5 at heathrow, or is it for all airlines, i presume ryaniar wont be using it!

Apparently its to be used by Aer Lingus and the other long haul airlines. Its got a new US emmigration facility.

With traffic currently dropping, the airport will be rather spacious next year when this thing opens. Its designed to handle up to 15m passengers p.a.. There will be a nnother new pier built to the south of terminal 2 in the future. There is also planning going ahead for a new ATC tower complex this year, and it will be considerable taller than the existing one.

who are the architects for this monstrosity? people with the formal sensitivity of a rabid dog should not be allowed to design the gateway to our nation, and if they are they shouldn’t be experimental with the range of thie abilities. even Henry J Lyons had the good sense to do this. this ‘thing’ is a depressing disgrace.

What?..What exactly do find so depressing about Terminal 2?
While it may be a little bit on the boring side what airport isn’t?Other than a choice few like Suvarnabhumi…I think it looks well considering it’s in the wrong spot in the airport and it caters for the wrong number of people.What do you think a terminal should look like?Personally i think a terminal should look pretty much like this.Bright ,spacious and airy.

@archipig wrote:

Apparently its to be used by Aer Lingus and the other long haul airlines. Its got a new US emmigration facility.

It’s where we’re going to put our share of the Gitmo detainees. There’s no American official as authoritarian as the pear shaped woman (there’s always one) who works for U.S Customs.

@what? wrote:

who are the architects for this monstrosity? people with the formal sensitivity of a rabid dog should not be allowed to design the gateway to our nation, and if they are they shouldn’t be experimental with the range of thie abilities. even Henry J Lyons had the good sense to do this. this ‘thing’ is a depressing disgrace.

Ah to be fair now what?, describing it as a ‘monstrosity’ might be a bit harsh. What is so depressingly disgraceful about it?
And if it is a depressing disgrace, what airport would you use as an example of, lets say, an uplifting triumph??

I’m with what? on this one.
Lazy rehashing of passé late 90s, early 00s style blobatecture; a generic, “contemporary”, “cool”, “design” and devoid of any real imagination, or skill, in executing something that is appropriate to represent the first point of contact with the nation. Indeed, devoid of anything that says “Ireland” or any of the positive things we would like to project upon ourselves, for others to perceive. In fact it says nothing other than “welcome to yet another bland fucking airport, get your bags as quickly as we allow and get out”

“And if it is a depressing disgrace, what airport would you use as an example of, lets say, an uplifting triumph??”

Well, true, there aren’t many, the few I can think of, Saarinen’s TWA in JFK and Washington Dulles, Roger’s airport in madrid, isn’t bad, I’d even stretch to Foster’s Beijing airport; but surley that is not an excuse why we should have a particularly bland one?

I don’t think its that bad – it does reflect the dynamism and hopefully will reflect some of the excitement of air travel but it is very samey – standard airport stuff.

I really liked the Shannon extension – Very different from most airports and a really pleasant departure point.

http://www.murrayolaoire.com/transport/projects/shannon_airport/index.html

@reddy wrote:

I really liked the Shannon extension – Very different from most airports and a really pleasant departure point.

Agreed, but what is the story with the god awful yellow(wtf?) stick-on signage.

Two off the top of my head – Cork and Palma; Schipol may sprawl a bit now, but it still works. Basically, you want an airport that’s clean, bright and airy and will detain you for the shortest possible time. A bit like a dentist’s waiting room, in fact. It’s a long time since air travel has been anything other than a bad dream and most airports reflect that.

I never said it was boring, I said it made me angry.

The awkward form of this building not only jars violently with its context (no mean feat) but equally with the majority of accommodation held within. I haven’t seen a drawn section of this building but from passing it several times It’s quite clear that a lot of the interior spaces have been compromised for the ‘benefit’ of this imposed irrelevant external form, and bear absolutely no relation to it.

I will admit to having a disposition against this ‘style’ of architecture (i.e. pointlessly expressive formal gymnastics, executed on the budget of an industrial shed) but when designed by the hand of an architect of flair and sensitivity the results can be acceptable and sometimes even interesting. But this building has the appearance of being designed by some mid-management type architect in a large corporate office who saw a Renzo Piano monograph once and decided to ‘have a go’, giving little heed to the scale, setting, context, spatial organisation, material, detailing or their own innate lack of formal skill. I think it’s an outrage, and while an airport shouldn’t necessary say something explicit about a country, it should imply the countries values. If this is the case we are a shallow nation, interested in expedience, vulgar spectacle and oblivious to considerations of quality, incapable of vision or integral thought.

Airports which I have been to and enjoyed as an architectural experience include, Charles de Gaulle, Stansted, Hong Kong and Kansai airports.

In the absence of such architectural skill or budgets, formal restraint should be exercised. There is nothing worse or more misguided than a statement building by a poor architect.

I’m a bit tired of hearing Rem Koolhaus’s attestation that Schipol is the best airport in the world by virtue of it’s efficiency, of course an important factor but we shouldn’t be blinded by such simplistic sound bites.

Budapest’s Terminal Two is a dream. It’s about a two or three minute walk from the gate to the door of Arrivals or Departures. Architecturally it’s a sort of curvy homage to Templehof. Or just curvy 😛

The outside of the airport really doesn’t matter – most people will never see it. All that matters is in the inside. Does it work, is it easy for customers, can it grow. Most people will walk through and (hopefully) get on a Metro or a bus to the car rental/car parks. I’ve flown through countless airports and couldn’t tell you what any of them look like from the outside.

fergair (pun?): I’d forgotten about Tempelhof, which proves that ‘fascist’ architecture (actually stripped-down neo-classical/Art Deco) still has its attractions. Tempelhof actually dates from 1923 (Weimar Republic) and only ceased operation in 2008; it’s still a classic. The buildings were designed by Ernst Sagebiel, at the behest of Albert Speer, in 1934.
[pics from Wikipedia]

Now there is an airport that implies the values of a country, and is amazing architectural experience.

Albert Speer never ceases to impress me.

Templehof is closed now though, and Berlin is closing Tegel airport too, and moving all their flights to Schönefeld airport by 2011.

Speer was some insane architect. Germania would have been Europe’s worst looking city. 1984 meets Ozymandias in an insecure clusterf**k. I have Speer’s autobiography. It makes interesting reading.

@johnglas wrote:

fergair (pun?)

lol, it’s fergaLr.

fergalr:Damn! And apologies.
Yes Speer was not shy and retiring and Germania would have been a nightmare (not least for those millions on whose bones it would have been built), but there are some buildings surviving from that era which have presence and their own attraction. Come to think of it, some of our current ‘developers’ have (had) megalomaniac visions not far short of Speer.

The EUR in Rome is interesting. Mussolini was less doctrinaire about his architecture than Hitler.

@Fergal wrote:

Templehof is closed now though, and Berlin is closing Tegel airport too, and moving all their flights to Schönefeld airport by 2011.

Almost a year since it closed now.
Shame.
Not only was it an architectural classic as airports go, but it was very user friendly (probably as it was so quiet in recent years) and its location so close to the heart of one of Europe’s major cities was enviable.