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    • #705798
      GrahamH
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      I can’t belive what the city council have just done on St Stephens Green. Passing by this morning only to see that they have replaced every one of the original gas Victorian lantern heads on the lamposts on the eastern side of the Green, which have been there for well over 100 years, with that same old modern reproduction tat that they have thrown up around Temple Bar and onto the Halfpenny Bridge. They are the usual cheap, cumbersome, black- sprayed stainless steel moulded frames, complete with, of all things, frosted glass panels! The lanterns were the only redeeming feature left on the Green, considering the Council desroyed its railings 6 months ago by attaching nasty spikey teeth between its points, where will they stop!?!?!
      I thought they were restoring the originals! Ah the nievity of it all. They have yet to attack the other sides (although the heads are already gone) so stop them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • #722658
      fjp
      Participant

      I did raise an eyebrow when they replaced all the “old stone posts with metal bits on top”. Th old ones were wrecked, but that’s because (I presume) they were very old.

      fjp
      (very uninformed this morning)

    • #722659
      urbanisto
      Participant

      Its the OPW who are renovating the square not the Corpo but I had hoped they would be a bit more imagnative.
      I hate those bland lampstands….cant they stretch their designing skills a little. Even the glass globe-style lamps are crap. They’re too fragile and are just screaming out to be smashed.

    • #722660
      urbanisto
      Participant

      The old lampstands weren’t originals by the way. They were probably put in place in the 70s or early 80s. Originally St Stephen Green had the large column lamps that you see around Merrion Square

    • #722661
      PaulC
      Participant

      There are the original lampposts but have been cleaned. Unless they have switched them again in the last few days.

    • #722662
      GrahamH
      Participant

      They are the originals, ‘originals’ referring to approx 1860/70, I’m talking about the smaller ones, around the pavement that encircles the Green, rather than the 70’s ones replacing the tall, silver posts once positioned across the road on the other pavement surrounding the Green.
      Also, on top of those granite bollards, the metal tips have been replaced with new metal tips, but this time with hooks/hoops attached. Does this mean the OPW are going to chain off the pavement from the road? How are you supposed to get from your car onto the pavement?

    • #722663
      fjp
      Participant

      Saw the new metal bits the other day, and I was happy to see them in place rather than disgarded. They’ll have to put chains on them – they were made for chains.

      How to get from your car to the green??? Don’t drive into town of course…

      🙂

      fjp

    • #722664
      urbanisto
      Participant

      I remember these granite bollards with chains. I think the very reason for removing them was to allow people access to their cars. I dont think you should be allowed park around the Green.

    • #722665
      fjp
      Participant

      Cars make cities look ugly. And I’m not being smart – all the colours just don’t match. It’s like having patchwork quilts for roads.

      fjp

    • #722666
      GrahamH
      Participant

      True. All of those cars parked around detract from the Green. Originally, in the 18th century, there was a wide boulevard/avenue known as the Beaux Walk encircling the Green where the pavement and parking spaces now are, lined with a double row of trees. Pity it couldn’t be restored, considering the area is a four laned motorway at rush hour and a barren wasteland during the day.

    • #722667
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Actually Graham the four sides were known as different names, I believe there is an excellent little book on the subject.

      “By the 18th century, the four malls outside the Green had different names – North was Beaux Walk, South was Leeson’s Walk, East was Monk’s Walk, West was French Walk. “

    • #722668
      GrahamH
      Participant

      I stand corrected

    • #722669
      Rory W
      Participant

      I think something modern would have looked good for the lamp standards rather than the recycling, but just an opinion…

    • #722670
      urbanisto
      Participant

      No way! The square is a Victorian square….if anything it should be restored to its 1900 state. Modern lamps (and street furniture) would look completely out of place. The reason Merrion, Fitzwilliam and Mountjoy Squares look as effective as they do is because they are more or less totally intact. They have already made enough architectural mistakes on Stephen’s Green (like Dept of Justice and its many contemporaries).
      Mind you I am note sure what the Luas side will look like…I hope it is done sensitively to the other sides. No big ugly steel girders to hold cables.

    • #722671
      Rory W
      Participant

      Well technically its a lot older than Victorian although that is when Lord Ardilaun formalised the park and opened it to the city, however given the fact that 2 sides (south and west) of it are now surrounded with modern buildings I dont believe it works as a square (eg Merrion and Fitzwilliam).

      There is however an issue here where we keep looking back to the past for our street furniture/buildings and creating a pastiche of what was there before – if this was always the case we’d still have open gas braziers (not the smithfield ones mind you).

    • #722672
      GrahamH
      Participant

      It’s not a matter of looking back through rose tinted glasses, or having a closed mind in favour of all things classical, but rather retaining what already exists that works well. The Victorians & Georgians built in the manner they did because it is effective & asthetically pleasing. If ‘classical’ street furniture has been removed, ie all over Dublin in the 60s & 70s, it is only right that it should replicated in areas where it is appropriate. However, plonking down some shoddy reproduction rubbish in predominantly modern areas is equally damaging & fundamentally stupid.

      Saying that, there’s a lot to be said for terrible ‘contemporary’ street furniture, such as those lights craning over the Boardwalk, looking at them today, they’re nothing more than cheap, crude, unfinished, moulded steel pylons that are being passed off as modern or ‘cool’ design.

      The OPW have just stripped away one of the last original features of St Stephen’s Green, an organisation that supposedly prides itself upon conservation and respect for the past in the face of progress. The least they can do is retain the lamposts on the west side of the Green that have not been touched, pending LUAS works.

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