St. Stephen’s Green, Dublin
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- March 27, 2004 at 12:05 pm #739798
Anonymous
InactiveThis building seems to be almost finished. It is clad in wood, and I have to say I quite like it.
March 27, 2004 at 7:31 pm #739799Anonymous
Inactiveanyone got any final pics of what the building beside the fitzwilliam hotel will look like ??
March 28, 2004 at 4:58 pm #739800notjim
Participantmuch improved by wood cladding, but it really have to be so visible?
March 14, 2005 at 8:42 pm #739801Anonymous
InactiveI passed the completed structure during the week, I am in two minds about it on the one hand it is a decent enough design on the other hand should anything have been built there that wasn’t fully screened?
March 15, 2005 at 4:21 pm #739802Rory W
Participant@Peter FitzPatrick wrote:
anyone got any final pics of what the building beside the fitzwilliam hotel will look like ??
It’s finished now and the tenents Bank of Scotland (Ireland) are in. Almost 30 years after the the rampage started Stephen’s green is whole again. – now please start pulling down the crap on the south side of the Green (KPMG, old Dept of Justice, Canada House, Hainult House for starters)
March 15, 2005 at 4:26 pm #739803Anonymous
Inactive@Rory W wrote:
It’s finished now and the tenents Bank of Scotland (Ireland) are in. Almost 30 years after the the rampage started Stephen’s green is whole again. – now please start pulling down the crap on the south side of the Green (KPMG, old Dept of Justice, Canada House, Hainult House for starters)
There is shuttering up around the old department of Justice, so it shouldn’t be too long before something happens on that one, there is a plan for Canada House and I’m sure KPMG has been in play for a while given the sites has a very low site coverage ratio and depressing architecture.
March 15, 2005 at 4:27 pm #739804Anonymous
InactiveI was looking at the planning application for Canada House recently on-line. It is at the phase of ‘additional information’ at present. The council seem to want justification for the removal of the old structure in terms of sustainability. It appears they might want the developers to upgrade the present building instead of building from scratch.
March 15, 2005 at 4:52 pm #739805notjim
Participantso the bad thing about the BoS building is that ugly fussing with the curved glass; they should have just stepped the building line like the other buildings on this side; the colour isn’t great either, but what is great is that completely unexpected long view down the side corridor with the illuminated panel at the end; i love it, i am just afraid that someone will ruin the effect with a potted plant.
March 28, 2005 at 5:28 pm #739806Anonymous
Inactivenotjim wrote:so the bad thing about the BoS building is that ugly fussing with the curved glass]They just did
March 31, 2005 at 11:41 pm #739807Anonymous
InactiveDid anyone see the almost full page article on the Bank of Scotland building in FMD’s architecture page in todays times.
It gave it the review it deserved, money very well spent.
April 1, 2005 at 8:36 pm #739808GrahamH
ParticipantAlmost fawning π
But rightly so – although I see what people mean about the clunky glazing curve: it would have been so elegant with the use of curved glass.
But it is how the building fills that hole on the Green that’s the most satisfying part of its completion – the gradual stepping back of all the buildings into the distance when viewed from Grafton St looks great.
Draws your eye away from the Stephen’s Green Centre too πApril 2, 2005 at 12:53 am #739809Anonymous
Inactive@Graham Hickey wrote:
Almost fawning π
But rightly so – although I see what people mean about the clunky glazing curve: it would have been so elegant with the use of curved glass.
But it is how the building fills that hole on the Green that’s the most satisfying part of its completion – the gradual stepping back of all the buildings into the distance when viewed from Grafton St looks great.
Draws your eye away from the Stephen’s Green Centre too πI still remember the story on RTE radio the morning ‘A house with strong connections to Daniel O’Connell has been illegally demolished’ obviously nothing was going to bring it back in 1985 Dublin but this building is definitely the best possible outcome. It pains me to say this but I am glad that the site stayed vacant for most of that period as very few groups would have designed such an appropriate building for such a tricky site and it is also highly unlikely that any speculative attempt would have come close to it.. Steping a building into that particular spot must have taken serious thought and there is no comparison between this perfectly judged scheme and BKD’s admirable extension to the Lucent Technologies (ABN-AMRO) building.
An interesting view of this building is through the entrance to the Stephens Green Shopping Centre Car Park, this building has buckets of space but shaved off quite a lot in the 5% of the footprint that could have mired the project for years.
The plant in the corridor has thankfully departed the stage after its three day residency and yes the scale of corridor can be appreciated much more easily without it. π
August 26, 2006 at 3:38 am #739810GrahamH
Participant26/8/2006
Well the latest addition to the Green’s varied stock is just nearing completion: Number 75 St. Stephen’s Green, otherwise known as the former Department of Justice – though goodness knows it did anything but justice to its prominent location on the historic south Green with its hideous black panelling and aluminium frames.
The basic concrete structure of that building has been retained by architects Burke Kennedy Doyle, but was completely gutted, reclad to the front, extended to the rear, and needless to say on top too:

It makes quite the shimmering statement amongst the cardigans of this lovely rambling side of the Green!
The set back storey is alas intrusive and ugly; setbacks never live up to the well proportioned ideal spouted in renderings:
August 26, 2006 at 2:31 pm #739811Anonymous
InactiveThe set back could have been executed a little better but I think it is fair to say that it provides a very decent template for high end infill at a sensitive location that delivers both Grade A space that will attract a rental level premium in the market and delivers a good result in architectural terms for the City.
I hope that similar results follow on other buildings such as the RSA building on Dawson St and this building’s immediate neighbour Hainault House which along with Stokes Place and 25 Stephens Green are the only real re-development objectives left on the Green.
August 28, 2006 at 4:01 pm #739812ctesiphon
ParticipantThat night-time render doesn’t show accurately the current view. As I passed it in the dark last night, I noticed that the building is lit up internally in green, except for the first floor which is purple.:confused:
Also, you can be sure that any apparent transparency will quickly be blurred once tenants move in with net curtains, potted plants posters and Post-Its, so anyone wanting a look at the see-through beauty should move quickly.
September 7, 2006 at 7:36 pm #739813Devin
ParticipantThe original proposal was for an extra three storeys above the parapet level (an eight storey building altogether). But it was reduced to what you see now after 3rd party objections.
<a href="http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=4867/04&theTabNo=2&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%20Dept. of Justice redevevelopment application
September 11, 2006 at 1:50 am #739814Blisterman
ParticipantI go to Stephen’s Green all the time, and I never even knew they were building that, since the buses now go the other way around. Looks nice from the photos. I’ll have to go check it out.
June 10, 2007 at 3:47 am #739815GrahamH
Participant10/6/2007
Just some pics of Number 75 at night.



It doesn’t seem to change colour – maybe it’s a different colour each night?
Also its substantial rear, facing onto the NCH.

And for what its worth, the uncoordinated patchwork quilt of Iveagh House a few plots further down. What a shame – it’s almost there.
June 10, 2007 at 12:41 pm #739816-Donnacha-
ParticipantWhat’s happening long-term with the eircom buildings on Stephen’s Green?
They’re due to move fairly soon.Is it just going to be re-used as is or demolished and turned into something else?
June 10, 2007 at 1:55 pm #739817Anonymous
InactiveI can’t see a case for redevelopment; the front blocks both have basements and Block C to the rear is already 7 or 8 storeys given it starts 1.5 levels down; the existing parking provision is extremely attractive and would no doubt be scaled down dramatically if redeveloped. To make it pay would involve a complete rewriting of the building line for the square which would not be without much opposition one thinks.
This observer sees a reletting probably in blocks or even floors of blocks or possibly a 12 month refurb and then a reletting as a substantial corporate HQ complex.
The KPMG complex at Stokes Place is a much more attractive prospect for redevelopment to my mind.
Good photos Graham; this type of lighting makes a very positive contribution and highlights much of what is good about mixed use development; in the City of London you rarely see such lighting because come 6pm the place is only frequented by workaholics scurrying home and does not see much leisure or tourist traffic.
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