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    • #704902
      Anonymous
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      See the Spencer Dock scheme got the thumbs down. Like the Titanic it was doomed from the start. However the NCC got the go ahead but it’s back to the drawing board for Mr. Roche & co.

    • #715181
      Anonymous
      Participant

      That may not go ahead either,due to finance.

    • #715182
      Rory W
      Participant

      Time to build something different I think. Ah well, hard luck Johnny Ronan, Harry Crosbie et al. Better luck (and design) next time!!!

      Rory W

    • #715183
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Tough luck Treasury Holdings,Ronan,Crosbie and gang……..perhaps the most ruthless property developers operating in the country.
      A bunch of ‘scullduggerers’.

    • #715184
      JOF
      Participant

      According to todays Sunday Times, Treasury Holdings have dropped Kevin Roche and have hired Scott Tallon Walker to provide a new masterplan. They are expected to produce a more “conventional” approach. Hopefully not more of the same tedium a la IFSC 2.

    • #715185
      Jas
      Participant

      That is their house style at this stage so I don’t believe we’ll see anything better than those buildings in IFSC2. Afterall, as far as STW are concerned, those designs have ‘acceptance’ from the planners.

    • #715186
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      The buildings in the IFSC2 are particularly bland, if the Spencer Dock site was to be completed in this style, it would be a massive disappointment

    • #715187
      GregF
      Participant

      Wel,well Mr. Roche has been dropped in favour of Scott Tallon Walker….The Stock, Aiken and Waterman of Irish archiecture producing en masse the bland supreme, all grey, all low rise, the same detailing for all their conventional and safe schemes, nothing too radical or different.ZZZZZzzzzzzzz! Insomnia. Please will someone lace their coffees with LSD and the croanies in the DDDA…..they are not artists but civil servants masquerading as architects.The Dublin docks is assembling the most drabbest and featureless of modern architecture ….I only hope that I am proved wrong in the long run and we will have instead landmarks of high quality.

    • #715188
      Rory W
      Participant

      Well what was proposed for Spencer Dock was hardly a “landmark of high quality” GregF.

      The actual conference centre as designed by Roche is still unchanged.

      Still hopefully they will do better that IFSC 1 & 2, it is a bit dull round here.

      Rory W

    • #715189
      GregF
      Participant

      That’s right Rory it was hardly a landmark of high quality…but I never said it was. The original Spencer Dock plan was overblown, overscaled and too corporate as we all know, but there was a slight hint of difference and optimism….now we may just get run of the mill offices typically found elsewhere throughout the city and suburban industrial estates. Scott Tallon & Walker are fine architects producing fine buildings ….Woodquay, City Bank,etc.. but looking at their portfolio especially their recent offerings, all their work looks the same ….no spark of difference or flair…. Richard Mier in a Catatonic state. It seem’s that with them having a monopoly in this area there won’t be even buildings to comment on or take note whether they be good or bad.

    • #715190
      Anonymous
      Participant

      I wish i has seen this topic before i had put in my pennys worth into the ‘changing attitudes’ discussion board.

      The 2 buildings shown on the photo (Paul’s) look even squatter than i remember them.

      Still, i think there is a good mix of colour used in the two buildings and, a bit of contrast colour-wise between them (variation been the spice of Life)!

      In referece to Jas comments about Scott Tallon Walker and their buildings been ‘acceptable’ to planners; Maybe there should be more ’round table’ pre-planning dicussions between architect-planner-client concerning what is acceptable/welcome, each other’s visions for the site and area etc.etc.

      Or am i just being naive?

    • #715191
      Rory W
      Participant

      Actually with all the grey around phase 2 of the Ifsc makes me thing I am in a compacted version of Belfield.

      On a serious note though, this is a pivitol site in the dublin Docklands and should be developed as something monumental, and not self effacing. Lets do something different. I loved the idea that Dunlow Ewart had for their Grand Canal site – but I dont know if that will go ahead given that they are selling that site and I don’t know if permission is given on it yet. I do worry that if Liam Carrol gets his paws on Dunlow Ewart that shite quality apartments (ha matchbox more like) on all their sites.

      Rory W

    • #715192
      Jas
      Participant

      Belfield — how true, thats exactly what it was, I wondered why it felt familiar.

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