Southbank Development
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Any news on the proposed 400 foot development beside Sean Moore Park? Apparently it was submitted for approval in May 2000.
http://www.neills.de/06-south-eng.htm
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This is out near the power station chimneys isn’t it? You would think that since they’re of similar or greater height that they’d pave the way for some other tall structures out there – I mean its fairly remote from the city centre and I don’t think theres a lot of residents out there so it would seem like an ideal place for buildings like this.
To be fair to An Bord Pleanala they didn’t pointlessly chop floors off the Tara Street building this time although I’m sure they were severely tempted, so maybe they’re growing up a little. They must think they’re not doing their job unless they alter every proposal they get in some way.
Maybe the economic downturn has put this particular project on the back-burner, although you’d think they’d still try to get it through planning. I know our planning system is rubbish but a 2 year delay seems a bit much.
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I read in the Sunday Times a while back that the chimneys are 680 feet tall. This brochure from a British company seems to reinforce that (207m = 679″).
They are a bit of a landmark, and can be seen from almost everywhere in the city if you get above ground level. That would mean that a 400 ft tower nearby would be pretty visible too. Personally I’d love it, but I suspect conservatism will block this one. -
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There is a precedent, particularly in Australian citites, that when a high landmark is built by the city no buildings taller than it are granted permission. While the tall landmark is usually an observation tower, the 122m Southbank development would just beat the 120m spike. That may actually influence a decision, because while the spike will be by no means the tallest structure in the city it will certainly be advertised as that (like the not-actually-tallest Smithfield tower and Gravity bar).
Applying for permission for a building almost as tall as the tallest is a common ploy, even here: the George’s Quay tower is under a meter shorter than Liberty Hall, and Tara St. train station will be barely higher.
I’m not sure about a 120m height restriction; I think the docks (the real docks around ringsend, not the DDDA docks in the city centre) could go a lot taller but the inner city should probably top out at about 80m or so. -
Thats just what I was thinking! Someone will surely object to them because they block the lovely view of the smoke spewing chimneys! And the authorities, not wanting to be in the least bit controversial, will either turn the thing down completely or order another horrible five story sprawl be built instead – in red brick of course.
Its a sad state of affairs when the tallest structure in your capital city is a pair of feckin’ chimneys at a power station. Only in Ireland.
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I think one thing we’re going to have to get used to is the fact that many of these massive developments are likely to be scaled back very significantly or not built at all because of the economic climate.
I doubt the rental situation and so on would be near as good as has been over recent years.
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just wondering are the towers at poolbeg the tallest structures in the state? and if not does anyone know what is…
+ just for the record …
Poolbeg Towers 207m / 679 ft
Millennium Spike 120m / 394 ft
Liberty Hall 59m / 195 ft
George’s Quay 59m / 193 ftapproved & awaiting construction …
Tara Street Station 61m / 199 ft
Sir John Rogerson’s Quay 96m / 315 ftdoes anyone know if construction has started or is about to start on john rogerson’s quay ???
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I think the tallest structures in the state are transmission masts. The former Radio Tara/Atlantic 252 mast in Summerhill, now owned by Teamtalk, is 248m (814″) tall: http://tx.mb21.co.uk/252/summerhill.asp.
There is, or will be, a navigational mast at Loop Head of 219m (719″): http://www.cil.ie/sh636x4010.html. -
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Like LOB I think its being delayed both because of problems with the company itself and because of the slowdown in the economy. They were talking about building some of the apartments first then doing the tower later. The guy who owns Zoe developments is really interested in the site too, which would be okay as long as he builds what is planned for there and not some crappy apartments that are his style (although to be fair I think he’s responsible for the Charlotte Quay apartments which are pretty cool).
I reckon it will be built eventually because its too good an opportunity to do something different and set a precedent for the city to let slip away. I think with this and Tara Street getting the go-ahead we’re beginning to chip away at the conservatism thats rampant in both Dublin and the country as a whole.
How long do planning permissions like the Hammond Lane one last? I know Georges Quay was built on a 10 years one so it was left for ages. Does Hammond Quay need to be started soon in case the permission runs?
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This is the newer of the Hammond Lane sites (ie the one down by the ESB in Ringsend) rather than the older one that was by Grand Canal Basin which is the Dunlow Ewart owned site (which has the Yacht sail shaped building planned – if the internal wranglings within the company are sorted out).
Zoe developments (or whichever name they are going under at the moment) owns the Poolbeg site having bought it from AIB a few years ago and proposed this development in the first place – I remember that this development was one of the sites mentioned for the new PriceWaterhouseCoopers building (probably need a big building to fit the sign on).
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