South Great George’s Street
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- December 6, 2007 at 4:34 pm #762315
urbanisto
ParticipantHey look what appeared on the street in recent days
December 6, 2007 at 5:13 pm #762316Paul Clerkin
KeymasterLooks great!
December 7, 2007 at 11:11 am #762317Rory W
ParticipantMakes me want an Ice cream! Or get my hair cut….
Or maybe a pint
December 8, 2007 at 8:32 pm #762318GrahamH
ParticipantAh yes, the classic post-restoration shell-shocked look. Always particularly severe where paint has been stripped. I noticed it half way down the street during the week 🙂
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ArchiseekThe bulky new orange floodlights are as intrusive as their light is unimaginative, but a niggly point.
Nice job.January 16, 2008 at 10:45 am #762319tomk
ParticipantI see Starbucks have applied for planning permission to open in one of the recently renovated buildings near the Long Hall pub. They are really starting to pop up everywhere. Another planning app has gone in for a Starbucks at Glasshaus centre in Tallaght and ones have recently opened on Dawson Street and the CHQ in IFSC.
Planning Apps.
Posted: 12/01/2008 DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL We Silverwood Developments Limited, intend to apply for planning permission to amalgamate and change the use of an existing ground floor retail unit, No. 47 South Great Georges Street, Dublin 2 and first floor office space No.47 to No.49 (incl) South Great Georges Street all protected structures to form a new Starbucks coffee unit with seating area & customer toilets. Works also to include the provision of 3 No. illuminated internal advertisement signs of various sizes and designs,, together with 1 No. illuminated external sign to be mounted on existing shop front, at No.47 South Great George’s Street, Dublin 2. The planning application may be inspected, or purchased at a fee not exceeding the reasonable cost of making a copy, at the offices of Dublin City Council during its public opening hours and a submission or observation in relation to the application may be made to the Authority in writing on payment of the prescribed fee within the period of 5 weeks beginning on the date of receipt by the Authority of the application
January 16, 2008 at 11:54 am #762320ctesiphon
ParticipantThat’ll really be a test of whether the centre line of SGGS is the western boundary of the wider Grafton St retail area (as I suspect). The fact that a pharmacy recently moved from the west side to the east side (former futon shop, I think) would tend to reinforce this in my mind.
January 16, 2008 at 1:17 pm #762321urbanisto
ParticipantStarbucks have suffered from their late arrival in the market here as most of the prime pitches have been snapped up by other chains and they are left with slim pickings. Its really noticeable when you compare to London where they are everywhere!
I see there’s a clean up job taking place on the South City Markets as well. Are there apartments on the upper levels. I’d love to have a look.
Any progress on the Drury Street plans to link Grafton St with SGG St. In fact surely a whole framework plan and design statement is required for this quarter.
January 16, 2008 at 2:03 pm #762322ctesiphon
Participant@StephenC wrote:
Are there apartments on the upper levels.
There are apts on the upper levels facing outwards, certainly, but I’m not sure about the upper level windows facing into the arcade- perhaps they’re related to the outward apts, though the plan seems too deep in each range for that.
Also, on the subject of the west side: I thought the glazed corner building at Stephen Street was supposed to provide public access to the Castle. Am I misremembering? Or did the developers change their minds?
January 16, 2008 at 4:25 pm #762323urbanisto
ParticipantWasnt that the proposals for the redevelopment of Castle House or whatever that monolithic monstrisity is called? Dealt with further back at the start of this thread I think.
January 16, 2008 at 4:44 pm #762324jdivision
ParticipantI don’t think so Stephen, I have been wondering the same thing. My understanding was that it was supposed to be a public street. Perhaps it technically is but doors and a reception desk certainly don’t create that impression.
January 16, 2008 at 5:04 pm #762325GrahamH
ParticipantNot at all – it’s a completely private office development. There’s certainly no link into the Castle, even for their own staff. It’s not quite the fortress of post-1803, but still likes to think it is 😉
I agree it’s a great shame the link wasn’t made. It’s quite an awkward impermeable block, with Dame Lane the sole (barely) useful shortcut.
April 1, 2008 at 3:42 pm #762326Devin
ParticipantThe Starbucks mentioned above to open at the corner of George’s Street & Stephen Street has just got planning permission – Ref. 1301/08. Is there any chance that this one will attract a wider cross-section of the city community, because the College Green one has been full of knobs since it opened 2 & a bit years ago? Actually all 3 city-centre Starbucks so far seem to have been opened with Trinity College south-Dublin knobheads in mind, or “Valley Girls” in the Frank Zappa song. Look at the locations: one at each entrance to Trinity (the College Gn. one & the new one near the bottom of Dawson Street), and one in BT2s, Grafton Street, for when they totter up to buy their Ugg boots and skinny jeans.
The new Starbucks will be diametrically opposite (in ideology and in George’s Street) to Simon’s Place coffee shop at the entrance to the markets. Will a Starbuck’s fit in on boho South Great George’s Street? I suppose it will attract well-heeled airheads from the nearby business college on Aungier Street. But then airheads seem to come out of nowhere anyway whenever a Starbucks opens …
April 1, 2008 at 3:47 pm #762327JoePublic
Participant@Devin wrote:
Actually all 3 city-centre Starbucks so far seem to have been opened with Trinity College south-Dublin knobheads in mind
Jeesh, bit of a chip on our shoulder have we?
April 1, 2008 at 3:58 pm #762328ctesiphon
ParticipantDevin- the other argument – a la Temple Bar and Stag/Hen parties – is that these places serve a necessary purpose across the wider city by ensuring that the valley girls and boys don’t take up the good seats in the good cafes. So Shhhhh!! What’s the other option? Simon’s Place smelling like the perfume counter in BT2? No thanks!
April 1, 2008 at 4:42 pm #762329johnglas
ParticipantStarbucks the acme of fashion? What have I missed?
Any city that can’t maintain a gold-plated brand of cafe like Bewley’s in a time when coffee shops are flourishing everywhere deserves Starbucks (their dark chocolate bars are good!).April 1, 2008 at 5:51 pm #762330jdivision
ParticipantBewley’s suffered because of its food offering. It didn’t change with consumer tastes, the same thing as happened the Kylemore Group whose restaurant presence has shrunk significantly.
April 1, 2008 at 7:24 pm #762331jimg
ParticipantIs there any chance that this one will attract a wider cross-section of the city community, because the College Green one has been full of knobs since it opened 2 & a bit years ago?
If there is a knob skew in their customer demographic, I assume it’s due to the fact that their coffee is muck and I’d imagine that knobs have little taste or appreciation for decent coffee.
Before you draw any conclusions though you should establish whether its exclusively the “knob factor” or whether it’s just the fact that you’ve reached an age where being in the proximity of teenagers socialising brings you out in a rash.
April 1, 2008 at 8:02 pm #762332paul h
ParticipantI used to be with it, but then they changed what “it” was. Now, what
I’m with isn’t it, and what’s “it” seems weird and scary to me.April 1, 2008 at 8:57 pm #762333johnglas
Participantjdivision: yeah, that was my view as well; the food was never up to much and when the sticky buns went unsticky and unspicy the writing was on the wall. What a loss though! Maybe CB will realise in a few years that they made a mistake and have a change of heart (again).
As for the ‘it’ thing – cafes are for drinking coffee, talking and reading (and maybe the odd live performance); hysterical teenagers and screaming weans can go elsewhere. By the way, mine’s a small americano with some hot milk on the side.April 1, 2008 at 11:07 pm #762334Devin
Participant@ctesiphon wrote:
Simon’s Place smelling like the perfume counter in BT2?
Lol! But I suppose we should be thankful; in the old days Starbucks would have agressively bought out the Simon’s Place lease AND opened the one on the other side of the street before they got a bad name for that sort of thing.
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