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  • #762295
    Morlan
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    Thanks for those, fjp. That 747 travel shopfront on the corner is an absolute disgrace. It’s not still there, is it? 😡

    #762296
    fjp
    Participant

    I’m pretty certain that 747 is still there, complete with the huge lighty-up sign on the wall facing down georges street.

    at this stage I’d almost miss it if it was gone. but only the lighty-up bit…

    #762297
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    For some reason I really like that 747 neon sign. Would definitely miss it if it were gone.

    #762298
    TLM
    Participant

    I think it would make a big difference to Geroge’s St if the block at the Dame Street end of the street on the city hall side could be given a bit of a face lift …. it really is an eyesore.

    #762299
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    There were plans to completely redevelop that site back around 2000 but it just like the Hawkins House plan evaporated in the 2001 office market slump. Now that the office market is strong again there is no reason why something might not emerge again although I doubt complete redevelopment would be on the cards unless the Revenue Commisioners Lease expires and that the specific divions are staying in Dublin.

    Re The 747 shop front; I hate to say it but the shop fronts on the west side of Aungier St are so bad that this one might actually be the best of them; the dead frontage of the casino and hostal really does p**s me off.

    #762300
    TLM
    Participant

    Thanks for that pvc king, here’s hoping..

    Agreed about the state of the shopfronts on Aungier Street… this whole stretch has loads of potential but needs some serious improving first.

    #762301
    Devin
    Participant

    Here is some details on that plan. Very dissapointing that it didn’t materialise, especially the pedestrian link into the Castle opposite Exchequer Street.

    MINI URBAN PLAN WILL OPEN CASTLE TO THE CITY

    A route once called Informer’s Lane is to be opened linking South Great George’s Street to a new civic courtyard in the grounds of Dublin Castle. It’s part of an ambitious plan that also involves renovating several office blocks Frank McDonald, Environment Editor, reports

    Anyone attending the Flood Tribunal in Dublin should know what the Office of Public Works means when it refers to the “unsavoury mess” that exists in the “no man’s land” between the Stamping Building in Dublin Castle and the rear ends of Wicklow House and Castle House, on South Great George’s Street. But now, in a fine example of public-private partnership, the OPW is collaborating with the owners of these two awful office blocks of early 1970s vintage on what it calls a “mini urban plan” for this quarter of the city. And the declared aim is to integrate the Castle with the surrounding urban fabric by creating an exciting new pedestrian route.

    The idea of opening up Informer’s Lane, as it used to be called, to provide a new entrance to the Castle on the axis of Exchequer Street was first mooted some years ago by Dick Gleeson, now Dublin Corporation’s deputy chief planning officer. All it needed to be realised was a willingness by the OPW and the office block owners to get together.

    Within the next few weeks, the corporation is expected to grant planning permission for a complete overhaul of the two aggressively horizontal office blocks, including much more sympathetic elevations to South Great George’s Street and a two-storey arcade on Informer’s Lane, leading to a new “civic courtyard” in the grounds of Dublin Castle.

    Surprisingly, however, the opportunity is not being taken to redevelop the Stamping Branch building itself. Designed by Frank du Berry, then a senior OPW architect, and completed in 1973, its running balconies led Plan magazine to liken it to hotels on the Spanish costas. “Where is that Mediterranean sun and the bathing towels,” an article asked.

    The building’s skewed angle to the established grid of the castle might suggest a forward extension to bring it into line. But David Byers, OPW assistant principal architect and one-time manager of the Castle, said it was so intensively used by the Revenue that the disruption to those working there would have been too great for a relatively small gain.

    Some years ago, consideration was given to recladding it in brick more sympathetic to its setting, but nothing happened. Now there is a view that it is “quite an interesting example of its period, as Byers says, and one of the best-built buildings I’ve ever seen, with the plant-draped balconies providing sun screening in the absence of air conditioning.

    Not a shred of merit can be attached to the two office blocks on George’s Street. Designed by English architects Arthur Swift and Partners for Guardian Properties, they were plonked on the site of Pimms department store with no concession whatever in terms of colour, materials or proportions to the Victorian character of the area.

    The advantage to their current owners of doing something to rectify this ghastly mistake is that they will get double the depth of the two buildings, gaining an extra 110,837 sq ft of office space separated by atriums from the existing streetfront blocks, while the city gains immeasurably from a remodelling of their facades.

    And because this scheme, designed by John O’Keeffe and Associates, has been effectively amalgamated with the OPW’s civic courtyard, the net effect is to reduce the developers plot ratio from 5.5:1 to 2.4:1. This seems to be quite a reasonable trade-off for the planning gain of a new east-west pedestrian route where one is sorely needed.

    When it is completed, not only will the terrible pair of buildings have smart new fronts sympathetic to their surroundings, but the public will have access via a two-storey arcade to a sunlit circular courtyard to the rear, within the precincts of the castle, and onwards to the award-winning Chester Beatty Library and Little Ship Street gate.

    The courtyard, with a diameter of 90 feet, will incorporate a circular ramp for disabled access to compensate for a three-metre drop in levels between George’s Street and the Castle. It is to be clad in Penryn-type green slate and enclosed by a cylindrical curtain of stainless steel grillework, which will include a sliding security gate.

    The circular form of the courtyard echoes the design of the Castle’s Dubhlinn Garden, which doubles as a helicopter landing pad (the lighting is cleverly concealed in its spiral pathways). Though inspired by Stirling’s Staatsgalerie in Stuttgart, it will be less heavy, according to David Byers, and softened by trees and park benches for relaxation.

    The Printworks building, with its curious undulating roof, which has housed the Flood Tribunal’s public hearings for so long, is to get a new foyer overlooking the courtyard. And in deference to the idea of creating a new civic space, the rear elevations of the extended office blocks on George’s Street are designed as if they were fronts.

    The opening up of a two-storey arcaded entrance to Dublin Castle should offer a glimpse of the Bermingham Tower from Exchequer Street. But more than that – it will open up the Devil’s half-acre, as Michael Collins once called it, to the rest of the city centre by puncturing the existing hard edge on George’s Street to the southside retail zone.

    The raggle-taggle of buildings that currently occupy the proposed courtyard will be swept away – but not, it should be emphasised, the rather more impressive group still occupied by the Garda. A new building is being planned for the southern side of the courtyard to re-house some of the facilities in those earmarked for demolition.

    The pay-off for the Revenue is a new penthouse floor on the Stamping Branch, providing an additional 5,920 sq ft. This will be a lightweight steel structure, prefabricated and metal-clad, with terraces and a light overhanging roof. Of course, no attempt is being made to eliminate the clutter of cars in the Lower Castle Yard.

    The new pedestrian route, which will be open to the public during all reasonable hours, is seen as one element of an integrated architectural sequence linking Dublin Castle with Leinster House. All that’s missing is a name for the circular courtyard; the informal working title, incidentally, is Flood Court, in honour of Mr Justice Fergus Flood.

    © The Irish Times, February 15, 2001

    #762302
    fjp
    Participant

    btw – does anyone know of any photos showing the street before the huge office block? that’s something I would really really like to see…

    re the stretch that needs improving – shame there isn’t something that would force business/building owners to keep building facades to a certain standard without the requirement for the businesses themselves to be taken over by topshop. whilst I’m not the biggest fan of the “run-down” look, I do sort of like streets that can be perused by people who are NOT stinking with money. there’s probably a whole world of social wrongness with what I just suggested, and a few grammatical errors too.

    #762303
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    the old Pimms Department Store was there – have a picture at home

    #762304
    Devin
    Participant

    I don’t know where there’s any photos of that – I don’t recall seeing it myself.

    #762305
    GrahamH
    Participant

    I think I saw a photograph of it somewhere; otherwise there’s this pretty common sketch of it.
    A monument to Victorian industry if ever there was one – a truly remarkable building:

    Though perspective and scale are inevitably exaggerated in such depictions, this was still an enormous store by any standards, which is why I can never get over the apparent lack of fuss or controversy surrounding its demolition – even leaving aside any conservation arguements. For such a ginormous structure, forming half a street if not a city quarter (like the South City Markets do today) to disappear virtually overnight is extraordinary.

    Perhaps by the 1970s it was much-altered, stuffed to the gills with aluminium windows and had a facade of peeling paint. I love the mindless marching procession of windows – so indicative of a series of building that have been tacked together and pasted over with a unifying facade, or modest buildings that have been replaced with a blown up version of same. A classic Victorian solution to this new type of structure 😀

    The stucco always reminds me of Dearey’s (formerly Patteson’s store) in Dundalk.

    The proposed elevations for the office buildings on Sth Great George’s St look very much of the Arnotts’ extension era…

    #762306
    TLM
    Participant

    Thanks for that Devin, that looks like it was a really inspired plan not only hugely improving Georges St but also opening up Dublin Castle to the public. Really hope it re-surfaces..

    #762307
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks for that image Graham. In a strange way there are actually some similarities between that building and what is there now; serial monotony etc etc.

    I have alway wondered if it is possible to get to Dublin Castle through the underpass that presently exists in the current building and proposed as a pedestrian route in the 2001 proposal. I have never quite had to guts to walk in. Always scared that some security guard or another will think I am up to no good and chuck me out 😀

    On a slightly different topic, but same street, I noticed that the tiles on the front of the Long Haul have been restored/replaced recently. Seems to have been a pretty good job done.

    #762308
    fjp
    Participant

    ooh – many thanks indeed to paul and grahamH!

    #762309
    dc3
    Participant

    If I recall correctly, and it was a very long time ago now, Pims had been demolished for many years before the replacement buildings eventually emerged. Probably very soon after the shop closed, (in the mid / late 1960’s?) it was demolished.

    I recall passing a hoarding there for what seems like ages, but then time is relative, except for the purpose of an appeal.

    #762310
    Devin
    Participant

    Interesting to see that vignette sketch, but it’s surprising there aren’t more photographs of it around given that it’s only gone since the ’60s, as you say dc3.

    #762311
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    I was over on George’s Street today at lunchtime and the portion of the street between Exchequer Street and Fade Street was closed, as were Fade Street and Exchequer Street themselves. Apparently the slates were flying off the roof of the Arcade (South City Markets) earlier due to high winds so the Guards stepped in to block the junctions.

    Couldn’t get any pics as the streets were closed, but I did see shards on the ground.

    Aside from the significant concerns this raises about the building itself, I thought some of you might care to know in case it’s part of your route home.;) No traffic at all – cars, buses, bikes, pedestrians – is being allowed down at the moment.

    #762312
    Brian Graham
    Participant

    It looks like the plan has been revived. The lead article in the commercial property section in the Times today is about the Revenue Commisioners having rented space in the new Dunnes building at the top of Sth Gt Georges St.

    The end of the article says –

    “The Revenue’s office deal with Dunnes Stores means that its staff will only be moving a few hundred yards from its offices in Castle House and Wicklow House at the bottom of South Great George’s Street. Once its lengthy lease of those buildings ran out, the Revenue looked for alternative space close to its offices in Dublin Castle. The new block completed by Dunnes proved an ideal alternative and staff are due to move in the coming weeks.

    The owners of Castle House and Wicklow House, Chartered Properties, in which the McCanns of Fyffes are investors, plan to embark on a €60 million redevelopment of the buildings which include 15 shops. When completed it will have a new frontage and 13,935sq m (150,000sq ft) of offices”.

    #762313
    TLM
    Participant

    Thanks for that Brian. I wonder if the plan to link Georges St into Dublin Castle on the axis with Exchequer Street is also now back on the cards..

    #762314
    Brian Graham
    Participant

    @TLM wrote:

    I wonder if the plan to link Georges St into Dublin Castle on the axis with Exchequer Street is also now back on the cards..

    Good question, I would presume it is much the same plan. The original planning permission granted in 2001 is valid up to August next year. Trawling through the Council site, I found a “Pre-Application Consultation”, submitted in Jan 06 which is still undecided, reference PAC0019/06, location “Castle House, Georges Street, Dublin 2”, text is “Change to previously approved development from office to residential on upper floors and the addition of two more floors.” Frank McDonald’s article quoted by Devin above mentions 110,837 sq ft with an additional 5,920 sq ft in a new penthouse floor on the Stamping Branch, but yesterdays article mentions “150,000sq ft of offices” (which may include the existing buildings)

    Anyone have any more goss on it?

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