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    • #704564
      Anonymous
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      Dublin is a slob of a city taking up vastly more room than its population requires. Why is it that people are so precious about the historic skyline of Dublin, but don’t seem to care about the countryside around the city which is destroyed as a result of the refusal to increase the density in the centre? This attitude is trashing the environment.

      This obsession with history is no good to no one.

    • #711614
      Anonymous
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      I’ll tell you why Dublin is so big for the poulation..

      There’s a vast amount of land in Dublin owned by speculators – they won’t sell it until the price is right, one of the reasons why houses and apartments are now unaffordable to most sane people and the main reason why the countryside is being destroyed by greedy developers; building revolting housing estates so Dublin workers have somewhere to sleep between life in the office and travelling to and from the office.

      Ballymore Eustace in Kildare – a village of 800 people. They’ve given permission for over 400 new houses. Blessington – from the main road back to Glending Forest – they’re filling up 270 acres with houses.

      This isn’t to cater for local needs but to make developers rich.

      Anyway – I’ve strayed slightly. What Dublin needs is compulsory purchase orders on empty lots in and around the city NOT revolting crappy high rises and certainly not to demolish what few decent quality building that are left.

      Who owns all this land anyway? Probably a load of CJH types, sucking the blood out of the rest of us. Making people drive two hours to work everyday blah blah rant … rant …

      I’ve finished.

      John

    • #711615
      Anonymous
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      Sorry J

      I hope you didn’t think I was ranting at you. I do agree with what you say although this wanton destruction of historically and aesthetically interesting buildings is of great concern to me in Dublin.

      That proposed new building opposite the Custom’s house? What are they thinking? Remember how Sam Stephenson’s WoodQuay things looked like giant alien anti-tank-barriers dropped indiscriminately from the sky – I swear, it looks like they just covered their eyes and let them fall missing Christchurch by a whisker.

      Anyway, I’m not academically qualified to get into an architectural rant but I’ve got eyes in my head.

      I think what’s left of Dublin’s skyline should be respected – even perhaps Hawkin’s House as an interesting example of crappiness.

      Well, cheerio

      John

    • #711616
      Charlie
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      I agree that the uncontrolled sprawl of Dublin into the surrounding counties is a problem, but not one that is a direct result of low density in the city. There is an undeniable demand for suburban housing and the developers are right to capitalise on that. Where they are wrong however, is in the appalling design of ALL of these suburban estates. The 3/4 bed semi looks roughly the same as it did 30 years ago & that’s just not good enough for the prices being charged.

      As regards Dublin’s ‘precious’ skyline – it hasn’t got one. Parts of Dublin are really beautiful, but there are more areas that are mediocre and even more that are just disgusting. Fitzwilliam & Merrion Squares – lovely. Go north a couple of blocks and you find yourself in one of the nastiest (architecturally & otherwise) areas of the inner city (around Pearse st, Macken st & surrounding quays) where urban renewal has meant the building of god awful 2 storey corpo houses in inane clusters, surrounded by derelict warehousing.

      I am in favour of the Georges quay development, & the NCC plan. I would like to see tasteful high rise being built to best utilise the remaining areas of the docks. This would have the added benefit of adding interest into the monotonous skyline that seems to merge into one with the sea in that area.

      I don’t ever want to see the offensive architecture of Sam S. in Dublin, the bunkers of Wood Quay are a disgrace. However the building proposed by Cosgrave & designed by SOM looks marvellous as do the outline sketches of the NCC – these are proper modern alternatives to the pseudomodern rubbish erected in Dublin thus far.

      I know many disagree.

    • #711617
      Anonymous
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      Hi Charlie

      Those are very interesting points. I still don’t agree with what’s being done to the countryside – did anybody see the Ballymore Eustace development item on the Late Late two weeks ago ?

      As for building in the docklands – it’s workd in other cities I think. It makes the old part of the city more precious by providing contrast whilst protecting it. Yes, I know much of Dublin is revolting – so hopefully now the lessons are finally being learnt. God, I really do.

      john

    • #711618
      d.k
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      Hi ,

      i am new to this website and i totallt agree with negative effect urban sprawl on the countryside has it is wastleful and a short term salution to a long term problem . there is no exuse for not having high -rise in Dublin . Almost every city of its size and smaller having skyskrapers ! and 15 /20 storeys height in dublin is laughable compared to average height of 100 metres built anywhere else. It a lot of public transport infastructure planned like metro and luas which are designed to carry people in high density areas not carrying a few dozen people every luas stop who live back to bck sprawling low density housing . one more point what is it with people phobia about high rise and why there are so many objections even though many are classed as medium height that have not much effect on surrounding lower buildings , will some boggers get a grip ! D.K

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