reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches

@Praxiteles wrote:

Rhabane!

Bene de me scripsisti!!

Te cognoscere, Te amare.
Nos omnes Te amamus, Praxiteles!
Ad multos annos!

@samuel j wrote:

Ah lads you’re making it very hard for us…… I’m mininmising and maximising windows here to beat the band trying to get translations….. not my fault the wise owls took Latin off the curiculum 2 years before I went to secondary school……

Standard Translation:

“To know you is to love you.
We all love you, Praxiteles.
Many years to you!”
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Cranmerian translation:

“To know Thee is to love Thee.
Thee we love, O Praxiteles!
Long life!”

ICEL translation [following the principle of dynamic equivalence advocated by Comme le prevoit]:

“Hey, Prax, you’re the dude;
cool man! real cool!
High five, dude!”
At this point the interlocutor does The Splits, then turns about three times whilst thrusting the palms of his hands into the air in the general direction of Praxiteles. It helps considerably if strobe lights are used during this greeting.

Has anybody heard anything of the state ofthings at St. Gabriel’s in Clontarf?

That would be excellent: external and internal,especially of the altar. Thanks.

@Rhabanus wrote:

Rhabanus has heard nothing. He hopes that the Archangel’s wings haven’t been clipped by the local clergy or his angelic person tasered by the diocesan thought police. Check the basements in Clontarf, and report any foul play.

When do we send out the search party? Sammy and Fearg, take a few cameras and leave a trail for the rest of us in case you are ambushed.

Are you out there, Archangel? Send us a sign. Give us an Angelic Salutation.

I am afraid that poor old Archangel hseems to have disappeared.

@descamps wrote:

Descamps was in Cork to-day and quite unexpectedly ran into a group of clergy from the diocese of Cloyne who were having a liturgy meeting with Fr. Danny Murphy, Fr. Sean Terry, Fr. Denis Reidy and architect Alex White. Bishop Magee was also there and spoke to the group.

He told them that he had been to Rome and had spoken to the Pope. He said that he had shown a new set of plans and photographs for Cobh Cathedral to the Pope. He insinuated that the Pope told him to go ahead with them – though he allowed himself sufficient room to back out of this should awkward questions be asked at a later date (Readers will remember that at the Midleton hearing he was badly caught telling fibbs on a similar heading).

More interestingly, he said that when he had spoken to the Local Planning Authority (Cobh Town Council) and he was given to understand that they would be “cooperative” and try to help in any way possible with whatever he might want to do. They told him to bring back a new set of plans to them, he said.

The driving force in this initiative seems to be Fr. Denny Reidy of Carrigtwohill. Curiously, there was no sign of Tom Cavanagh from Fermoy who was a staunch supporter of the last project.

The bold bishop announced that he was going ahead with another reordering scheme to gut the interior of Cobh Cathedral no matter what the people of Cobh or the diocese of Cloyne think.

Has the FOSCC heard of this?

Can’t answer the last question. No news either about the Archangel, though it shouldn’t surprise me if he were lying bound and gagged in the bowels of a secret liturgical depot, wriggling between the remains of a dismantled rood screen and an oil painting of the Fifth Station of the Cross.

So … a clandestine meeting of the Sanhedrin, is it? Good work on the qui vive, descamps! Non praevalebunt! Note the usual schemes and feints at work. [Rather cliche, if you asked me.] Claim, or at least imply that you have had intense negotiations with the Pope and that the very plans themselves were blessed by the hand of His Holiness. The appeal to papal authority in this case is risible. As if the Holy Father in Rome has nothing better to do with either his time or energy than meddle in the business of the Planning Board of Cork and redecorate a Pugin-Ashlin masterpiece. As if the Pope tinkers with any of the multifarious churches in his very own Eternal City. I hope HH doesn’t lose much sleep rethinking the lighting system in St Colman’s or considering how to go about the most cost-effective way of tearing up the mosaic floor of the nave.

Quite a sight, that: His Lordship and His Holiness spending a good afternoon’s merenda in the Apostolic Palace sipping tea and dunking biscotti over THE NEWLY REVISED PLANS FOR ST COLMAN”S. (‘If at first you don’t succeed, run with your tail between your legs to the Pope, and everything will be resolved!”) Do you think the Pope favours pastels over primary colours? Hmmmmmmm. I really don’t know how His Holiness can tear himself away from such a gripping dilemma for the sake of an approaching apostolic visit to Istanbul.

Never mind. It may serve bishops and other CEOs well to consider Julius II’s grandiose scheme to make his tomb the centrepiece of the new St Peter’s-in-the-Vatican. Great plans! Poor Julius, though, lost so much money on his campaigns of war, that he could not afford to pay for his magnificent project. The central part of the tomb is now in the Roman church of S. Pietro-in-Vincoli, and a few slaves unfinished by Michelngelo are in the Accademia in Florence. The body of Julius, however, lies neither in S. Pietro-in-Vincoli nor in the Accademia, but in an obscure spot beneath St Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican while a small brass inscription, hidden by barricades and stacks of chairs near the organ in the north transept, indicates this fact. Sic transit gloria mundi!

@descamps wrote:

He told them that he had been to Rome and had spoken to the Pope. He said that he had shown a new set of plans and photographs for Cobh Cathedral to the Pope. He insinuated that the Pope told him to go ahead with them – though he allowed himself sufficient room to back out of this should awkward questions be asked at a later date

More interestingly, he said that when he had spoken to the Local Planning Authority (Cobh Town Council) and he was given to understand that they would be “cooperative” and try to help in any way possible with whatever he might want to do. They told him to bring back a new set of plans to them, he said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Magee_(bishop)
On 26 October 2006, Pope Benedict XVI met Bishop Magee in a private audience that, surprisingly, lasted only eight minutes.
If we take out 2 minutes for the formal hello and goodbye…. he must have got alot done in 6 minutes…

“Cooperative”, thats nice of them…. looks like the bold Bishop and the OPW are in some unique little club here as when it comes to planning issues can guarantee you most mortals in Cobh only dream about a cooperative planner

@samuel j wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Magee_(bishop)
On 26 October 2006, Pope Benedict XVI met Bishop Magee in a private audience that, surprisingly, lasted only eight minutes.
If we take out 2 minutes for the formal hello and goodbye…. he must have got alot done in 6 minutes…

“Cooperative”, thats nice of them…. looks like the bold Bishop and the OPW are in some unique little club here as when it comes to planning issues can guarantee you most mortals in Cobh only dream about a cooperative planner

According to the Vatican Gazzette, bishop Magee was received by the Pope on 20 October 2006:

http://212.77.1.245/news_services/bulletin/news/19055.php?index=19055&po_date=20.10.2006&lang=en

He was one of 6 bishops received that morning. The Pope receives bewteen 11.am and 1pm. That gives a maximum amount of time of some two hours or 120 minutes. Since 6 people were received that morning the maximum amount of time available for each one was some 20 minutes. But, since you have to allow for intervals between the departure of one person and the arrival of the next, that maximum amount of time is considerably reduced. If we allow 5 minutes minimum for arrivals and departures, we automatically lose 30 minutes, So, we can reckon that some 90 minutes of audience time was available on the morning of 20 October 2006. That would allow a maximum average time of 15 minutes per person. Even if we allow the full 15 minutes for the bold bishop, that does not allow for a very in depth conversation about the state of St. Colman’s Cathedral and presupposes that he did not raise more important issues such as his age, his knee, the collapse of vocations in the diocese of Cloyne and sharp decline in practice levels to say nothing of other urgent pastoral issues. Can we seriously believe that the bold bihsop would omit mention of such pressing pastoral concerns to waste time showing the Pope his latest snap-shots? Given this forensic approach to the question of audience time, I am inclined to think that the bold bishop is exaggerating again and likely to be halluncinating a would-be converstaion with the Pope that he might have liked to have had.

@Gianlorenzo wrote:

He was one of 7 bishops received that morning which cuts the time down even more.

Thanks Gianlorenzo for that. It means that the emboldended bishop had, at max, all of 12.85 minutes to cover the ground.

We are quickly approaching levels of velocity last seen when the Lady Mary O’Halloran, Cobh Town Manageress, managed to read 214 objections in 4 hours which must have been a record of 1.12 minutes per objection.

So excluding a superfast Palmtop running Powerpoint with a neck breaking slideshow, its fairly safe to assume very little on St. Colmans was discussed. Lets keep this high on mental notes when more of his delusions are relayed to the trusting flock as fact….