reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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@Fearg wrote:
Book makes out that the 19th century artists must “not have been educated men”.. I would be sceptical as well..
Agreed, Fearg! The 19th century artist had more erudition and talent than these twenty-first-century popinjays. The proof, of course, is in the pudding. The rector of St Mary and St Anne’s was sold a bill of goods.
Birds of a feather flock together.
@Rhabanus wrote:
The first image makes sense. Beautiful play of light from the north window on the sanctuary. Marble is most worthy of the altars. I admire the graceful sanctuary lamp hanging directly in front of the tabernacle. The statues of the Sacred Heart and Our Lady, each in its static pose, fit the classical architecture.
Not pleased, however, about the stations of the cross running along the galleries. In my view they ought to go along the walls, not the balconies. I find them rather distracting in the first image and downright silly running along the choir loft in the second image.
Why was the organ case not arranged in such a way as to admit the light from the window in the west wall?
Are plans afoot to massacre this lovely house of God, too, and replace it with an Abomination of Desolation like St Mary’s Oratory for Embalmed Shakers?
I could pray in Dunmanway, but more fervently without the distraction of the stations of the cross hanging off the balconies. I’ll wager that the original stations were oil paintings that fit harmoniously on the walls of the church.
Have a chat with the rector there, will you?
I agree that the stations of the Cross look odd hanging from the gallery rails. they could easily be distributed throughout the available wall-space in the church.
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It is bad enough having to contend with internal destructive developments to historical buildings.
In Tallaght village we now have this complete lack of sympathetic design or application of appropriate design styles to buildings in historical areas on the exterior.Here is what SDCC have aloowed happen directly across from the medieval St Maelruain’s church in Tallaght villlage…..
Is there any legal remedy to enforce a retrospective redesign in these cases?
I really wish so !
Given this building is less than one year old, and has already been taken down because it lacked insallation it seems unbelievable that professional planners could not insist on protecting this rare streetscape in the suburbs in Dublin.
Our pleas are falling on deaf ears so far… any ideas of how to raise awareness to get support to have something done with the facade of this building to try and retrocspectively have its facade aligned with where it sits and how it relates to its neighbouring buildings??
@tamhlacht wrote:
I really wish so !
Given this building is less than one year old, and has already been taken down because it lacked insallation it seems unbelievable that professional planners could not insist on protecting this rare streetscape in the suburbs in Dublin.
Our pleas are falling on deaf ears so far… any ideas of how to raise awareness to get support to have something done with the facade of this building to try and retrocspectively have its facade aligned with where it sits and how it relates to its neighbouring buildings??
When is the next municipal election? Make city planning an issue – with plenty of photos to strengthen your case. The squeaky wheel always gets the grease – the local architects, planners, and bureaucrats WANT SILENCE. Don’t give it to them – that would be letting them off and giving in. Instead, make a regular royal ruckus AND MAKE THE POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE.
Write your municipal representative and ORGANISE yourselves. With the high number of people turning to this thread, my impression is that the Irish are fed up with UGLY architecture and want a return to pleasing aesthetic and common sense.
The inexcusable brutalist block inflicted on your community must go. Rally the troops and present yourselves to the town councillor in charge of this district – and don’t be fobbed off with a bland smile and a rubber handshake. MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE!
Thanks for the advice – we have been organising ourselves and trying to get public profile for our campaign. An umbrella group has now been formed with website etc. This site is proving a help on that front. It would be great to have a local professional who could offer technical support on the ground to us. Any offers ???
The Priory just a short distance down the village street in Tallaght village is too now under threat from a garage site. The Esso site is now at pre planning stages for a retail and residential. Judging by the designs implemented alreay in the illage this too will be ultra modern which will not sit comfortably beside the medieval Priory in Tallaght.
See the images of where the new development will be in relatino to the historicla Priory site which houses the old Bancroft castle, St Marys house and parts of the Pale wall.
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@tamhlacht wrote:
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Pretty shocking! It shouldn’t surprise me to learn that the Celtic Tiger would raze the Priory and related medieval buildings in a trice. Forces get mighty aggressive when launched against the Church.
Congratulations on getting organised and in establishing the website.
Your ultimate goal, as you succeed in winning the annoying skirmishes, is to draft legislation that protects air space around these buildings and also to force any new structures to conform to the medieval architecture. The monstrosities recently erected and in the process of being erected will come down before long since they are made on the cheap. But get in there with draconian legislation on all buildings in the environs of the medieval sites.
International attention focused on the proposed blights is also a good idea, though I fully understand your urgency regarding immediate movement on the ground locally.
I hope that capable Irish readers (and leaders) respond with alacrity to your plight. Keep up the valiant effort!!
I am posting a picture of the statue of Our Lady on the facade of St. Mary’s, Pope’s Quay, Cork.
Can anyone help in identifying the sculptor? I believe he was a Dublin sculptor.
@Praxiteles wrote:
I am posting a picture of the statue of Our Lady on the facade of St. Mary’s, Pope’s Quay, Cork.
Can anyone help in identifying the sculptor? I believe he was a Dublin sculptor.
Can’t tell you the name of the sculptor, but will comment on the model. This statue is a copy of the Immaculate Conception which stands atop a column at the Piazza di Spagna, Rome. It commemorates the definition and proclamation of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception by Blessed Pius IX in 1854. Each year on 8 December the Pope comes to pray before the statue and presents a wreath, which the chief fireman in Rome takes up to the statue and places on the right hand held aloft by Our Lady.
The statue and column so impressed Cardinal George Mundelein of Chicago, Illinois that he reportedly tried to persuade the Italian government to sell it to him, so that he might transport it to his seminary north of Chicago. Upon the rejection of his proposal by the Italian government, he commissioned a replica of the column and statue (to a slightly larger dimension) which dominates the lovely campus of The University of Our Lady of the Lake and Mundelein Seminary.
The statue likewise served as the model for the image of the Blessed Virgin atop the famous Golden Dome of The University of Notre Dame at South Bend, Indiana. Fr Edward Sorin, like Cardinal Mundelein, commissioned a replica of this statue of the Immaculate Conception to dominate the campus of The University of Notre Dame (du Lac). Instead of surmounting a column, Our Lady’s statue gleams from the top of the Golden Dome of the main building. Dome and statue were regilded just last year (the process of cleaning and regilding takes place every five years). It is to be regretted that the halo of lights was removed either during the last or penultimate cleaning/gilding. Glad to see the halo of lights on the statue in Dublin.
Rhabanus!
Thanks very much for that informative commentary on the statue of Our Lady a top the portico of St. Mary’s, Pope’s Quay, in Cork.
Clearly, when you mention it, the source is quite obviously the statue atop the column in the Piazza di Spagna in Rome. This was inaugerated on the feast of the Nativity of Our Lady (8 September) 1857 by B. Pope Pius IX to commemorate the definition of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception which had been proclaimed in 1854. The architect for the work was Luigi Poletti. The column is an antique one of cippolino marble discovered in the Campo Marzo in 1777. It seems that it had never been used since it was discovered in the remains of a marble workshop dating to classical times.
While St. Mary’s was built in the 1830s, the Portico was not added until the 1860s.
Sorry to hear that the copy at Notre Dame has lost its crown of 12 stars, the Corona Stellarum Duodecim, which is taken directly from the famous passage of St. John’s Book of the Apocalypse, chapter 12:
“12 1 Et signum magnum apparuit in c
On the morning of 8 December every year, a large floral tribute is placed on the arm of the Immacolata by the Firemen of Rome. The attached image shows Ivano Procacci doing the honours on the 150th. anniversary of the declaration of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception on the 8 December 2000:
some old photos of various churchs
SACRED HEART CHURCH, LIMERICK
ST. ALPHONSUS’ CHURCH, LIMERICK
Pro-Cathedral, Dublin
Maynooth College ChapelI understand from a reliale source that the marbel panels from the High Altar in Tuam (seen in the last picture posted above) are in a shed at the back of the archiepiscopal palace in Tuam while the columns are now supporting a vulgar Southfork-type ranch house in a rural part of Co. Cork.
Worst of all, the iconaclasts when they got to work on Tuam demolished the crypt underlying the sanctuary and filled it with rubble and concrete paying no attention to the fact (indeed probably egged on by it) that it contains the mortal remains of Archbishop John McHale, arguably one of the most important figures in 19th. century Irish history. The scenario has something of the macabre ghoulism of the revolutionary attack on the tombs of the Kings of France in the Basilique of St. Denis!
@Rhabanus wrote:
Can’t tell you the name of the sculptor, but will comment on the model. This statue is a copy of the Immaculate Conception which stands atop a column at the Piazza di Spagna, Rome. It commemorates the definition and proclamation of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception by Blessed Pius IX in 1854. Each year on 8 December the Pope comes to pray before the statue and presents a wreath, which the chief fireman in Rome takes up to the statue and places on the right hand held aloft by Our Lady.
The statue and column so impressed Cardinal George Mundelein of Chicago, Illinois that he reportedly tried to persuade the Italian government to sell it to him, so that he might transport it to his seminary north of Chicago. Upon the rejection of his proposal by the Italian government, he commissioned a replica of the column and statue (to a slightly larger dimension) which dominates the lovely campus of The University of Our Lady of the Lake and Mundelein Seminary.
The statue likewise served as the model for the image of the Blessed Virgin atop the famous Golden Dome of The University of Notre Dame at South Bend, Indiana. Fr Edward Sorin, like Cardinal Mundelein, commissioned a replica of this statue of the Immaculate Conception to dominate the campus of The University of Notre Dame (du Lac). Instead of surmounting a column, Our Lady’s statue gleams from the top of the Golden Dome of the main building. Dome and statue were regilded just last year (the process of cleaning and regilding takes place every five years). It is to be regretted that the halo of lights was removed either during the last or penultimate cleaning/gilding. Glad to see the halo of lights on the statue in Dublin.
Rhabanus!
Do you know of any other examples in North America or perhaps in Latin America?
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