reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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Brain-washing and manipulation
Vosko’s masquerade attacks the very heart of the Catholic faith.In an effort to bury the Church visible with newfangled liturgical rhetoric, Father Vosko’s modus operandi is predicated on the assumption that he can manipulate parishioners into believing that their own input—ideas of what a parish church building should be—is being taken into consideration in the design of their church.
To this end, diocesan worship committees recommend Fr. Vosko to engineer the whole process that a parish must undergo, to achieve the desired project—which is usually pre-determined before any input is received from parishioners— with little or no resistance from laity.
The fact that bishops and pastors are so ready and willing to “partner” with Fr. Vosko is worrisome to many
If the project calls for the renovation of an historic church or cathedral, Fr. Vosko is hired to have the parishioners come to the conclusion that their traditional arrangement—with pews, central tabernacle, statuary, shrines, elevated sanctuary, Communion rails, baldacchino, high altar, etc.—is unsuitable for “post-Vatican II” worship, and therefore is unsalvageable as a church building.
Ultimate irony
Fr. Vosko’s comment that in the old church the people never had a say in anything is most ironic.His own planning process is engineered down to the most minute details. He, for instance, includes plans on how to arrange the seating during his educational indoctrination presentations, to discourage dissent. Fr. Vosko’s charade is designed to give the impression that everyone has a “say” in the design process, when in fact the whole project has been designed in Vosko’s head before he even arrives at a particular parish.
It looks as if the “indoctrination seesions” have already begun in Albany. God help them.
Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception PARISH NEWS
REMINDER: The first of three informational meetings on the renovation of the interior of the Cathedral will be held Monday, March 6 at 7:00 p.m. in the Cathedral. The topic will be The History of the Christian Place of Worship. Please make every effort to participate in these meetings.@Gianlorenzo wrote:
It looks as if the “indoctrination seesions” have already begun in Albany. God help them.
Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception PARISH NEWS
REMINDER: The first of three informational meetings on the renovation of the interior of the Cathedral will be held Monday, March 6 at 7:00 p.m. in the Cathedral. The topic will be The History of the Christian Place of Worship. Please make every effort to participate in these meetings.Where did you get this? I hope my Rector doesn’t think I’m feeding you this, for I’m not.
Father Vosko’s site: http://www.rvosko.com/
LW
Lee Wong,
I got it from the Cathedral wet site you posted on #755.
I speak from personal experience of these types of meetings and the manipulative character of them. I am sorry if you are offended or upset by my use of the above quote, but I find the actions of the people involved in this type of manipulative process very offensive indeed.
If you are concerned for your Cathedral, you should do a little research on the subject. Look at http://www.foscc.com
for a contemporary Irish Cathedral re-ordering story.
Another offensive aspect of all this is the money expended on these totally unnecessary re-orderings. Nothing in Vatican II or subsequent Vatican documents calls for the destruction of sanctuaries in old churches. It is an out-dated liturgical and design preference of some members of the clergy which has been imposed on unwitting parishioners all over the English speaking world. While Bishops and priests spend their time working on these projects their churches are emptying.@Gianlorenzo wrote:
Lee Wong,
I got it from the Cathedral wet site you posted on #755.
I speak from personal experience of these types of meetings and the manipulative character of them. I am sorry if you are offended or upset by my use of the above quote, but I find the actions of the people involved in this type of manipulative process very offensive indeed.No, I am not offended by you. I just don’t want anyone to think that I am starting a campaign or trying to stir up trouble.
I have been following the Cobh events and have recommended the foscc site to anyone who might listen.
LW
A more recent view of the Cathedral of Peking, China
“The largest church in China,” in brick and cast iron Gothic, with an elaborate grey marble facade, and built in 1890 by the French mission. The church was formerly the centre of a great complex of schools, orphanages and hospitals. The building has a tall, wide nave with side aisles, octagonal transepts and a huge sanctuary. There are many chandeliers, plus large, painted stations of the cross, old stained glass and the remains of old wall decoration. You could be in suburban Paris. The Patriotic Church re-occupied the building at the end of the Cultural Revolution (1966-76), and the church was restored in 1985. It now claims to house eight bishops and stands in spacious and beautiful grounds planted with big old pine and oak trees and with two Chinese pavilions. The magnificent facade of 1900 dates from after the Boxer Rebellion, when the cathedral compound, filled with converts fleeing the rebels, was besieged. Many people were killed here in the fighting before they were rescued by the Allied troops, led by British Indian soldiers.
A more recent view of the Cathedral of Peking, China
“The largest church in China,” in brick and cast iron Gothic, with an elaborate grey marble facade, and built in 1890 by the French mission. The church was formerly the centre of a great complex of schools, orphanages and hospitals. The building has a tall, wide nave with side aisles, octagonal transepts and a huge sanctuary. There are many chandeliers, plus large, painted stations of the cross, old stained glass and the remains of old wall decoration. You could be in suburban Paris. The Patriotic Church re-occupied the building at the end of the Cultural Revolution (1966-76), and the church was restored in 1985. It now claims to house eight bishops and stands in spacious and beautiful grounds planted with big old pine and oak trees and with two Chinese pavilions. The magnificent facade of 1900 dates from after the Boxer Rebellion, when the cathedral compound, filled with converts fleeing the rebels, was besieged. Many people were killed here in the fighting before they were rescued by the Allied troops, led by British Indian soldiers.
The Cathedral in Chongquing
The Catholic Church was built in Xianfeng Period, Qing Dynasty (1858).Situated on Mingsheng Road in Yuzhong District, it is the main church of Chongqing Parish. It covers an area of 18,298.6 square feet including a main hall of 5,382 square feet with a seating capacity of 1,000. Important rituals such as the Mass usually draws thousands of people.
@Gianlorenzo wrote:
May I ask why don’t you want to start a campaign to save your Cathedral?
I’ll do as the Spirit prompts me.
Dear LeoWong,
I notice that on the website of Immaculate Conception, Albany, there is only one clear image of the sanctuary. This shows a free-standing, almost square altar of a Gothic design. I can make out a stone construction behind it, maybe the cathedra? When was the cathedral first re-ordered? Where’s the old high-altar, the rails etc…? Are there any images of these anywhere?
I am especially concerned that, since the church has appeared to have lost a portion of its original fittings already, any Vosko guided work might be even more drastic. I think it would be prudent to try to extract an undertaking from the authorities at this early stage that items such as the choir-stalls and the pulpit are not at any risk of being removed.
@Luzarches wrote:
Dear LeoWong,
I notice that on the website of Immaculate Conception, Albany, there is only one clear image of the sanctuary. This shows a free-standing, almost square altar of a Gothic design. I can make out a stone construction behind it, maybe the cathedra? When was the cathedral first re-ordered? Where’s the old high-altar, the rails etc…? Are there any images of these anywhere?
I am especially concerned that, since the church has appeared to have lost a portion of its original fittings already, any Vosko guided work might be even more drastic. I think it would be prudent to try to extract an undertaking from the authorities at this early stage that items such as the choir-stalls and the pulpit are not at any risk of being removed.
A history of the cathedral may be published this year. It will probably answer these questions. The old high-altar and the communion rail must have been taken down more than twenty years ago. The present altar (on wheels) is made from the old altar and is about 3/7 as wide (if you take the two side panels on each side and put them on the same plane as the present three center panels, you will probably restore the front of the high altar. A photo from perhaps 1952 shows the high altar 5 or 6 steps up from the sanctuary floor. The steps are gone, their place taken by a box that holds speakers for the electronic organ. I don’t know if the rail exists somewhere; the Rector or the historian may know.
The construction is brick, plastered and painted to look like stone. The exterior has a stone “skin.”
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