reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- July 1, 2010 at 3:48 pm #774116
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As a matter of interest, do you know of any example of a fixed ambo in the sanctuary of a church of the late antique period?
July 1, 2010 at 5:59 pm #774117Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Collegiale de St. Pierre, Chauvigny in he Vienne
An exquisite 10th century Collegial church which is documented from at least the year 1000 and for which a set of ststutes is extant from 1270.

July 2, 2010 at 6:41 pm #774118Canus
ParticipantThe painted scheme looks like a recent recreation and shows what the great Romanesque churches looked like.
July 2, 2010 at 7:48 pm #774119Praxiteles
ParticipantWhile on the subject of the Romanesque, here we have some examples of the dove custodia used for the reservation of the Blessed Sacrament which were suspended in the baldaquin over the High Altar. These custodia are still to be found among some of the Oriental Churches for the reservation of the Blessed Sacramengt.



July 2, 2010 at 7:51 pm #774120Praxiteles
ParticipantFrom the Catholic Encyclopedia on Columbine Custodia:
Catholic Encyclopaedia:
The reservation of the Holy Eucharist for the use of the sick was, certainly since early medieval times, effected in many parts of Europe by means of a vessel in the form of a dove, suspended by chains to the baldachino and thus hung above the altar… The idea of the Eucharistic vessel was probably taken from the dove-like receptacle used at an early period in the baptisteries and often suspended above the fonts. These vessels were usually made of gold or silver. This was no doubt always the case if the vessel was designed to be the immediate holder of the Blessed Sacrament, since the principle that no base material ought to be used for this purpose is early and general. But when, as seems generally to have been the case in later times, the dove was only the outer vessel enshrining the pyx which itself contained the Blessed Sacrament, it came about that any material might be used which was itself suitable and dignified. Mabillon tells us that he saw one at the monastery of Bobbio made of gilded leather, and one is shown to this day in the church of San Nazario at Milan which is enameled on the outside and silver gilt within. The exact time at which such vessels first came into use is disputed, but it was certainly at some early date… In the life of St. Basil, attributed to St. Amphilochius, is perhaps the earliest clear mention of the Eucharistic dove. Cum panem divisisset in tres partes… tertiam positam super columbam auream, desuper sacrum altare suspendit. St. Chrysostom’s expression concerning the Holy Eucharist, convestitum Spiritu Sancto, is generally taken to allude to this practice of reserving the Holy Eucharist in a dove, the emblem of the Holy Spirit. The same idea is expressed by Sedulius in the verses, Sanctusque columbae Spiritus in specie Christum vestivit honore.The general, and certainly the earliest custom, both East and West, was to suspend the dove from the ciborium or baldachino. At a later period in some parts of the West, especially in Rome, a custom grew up of placing a tower of precious material upon the altar, and enclosing the dove with the Blessed Sacrament within this tower. Thus, in the Liber Pontificalis which contains ample records of the principal gifts made to the great basilicas in the fourth and succeeding centuries, we never find that the dove was presented without the tower as its complement. Thus in the life of Pope Hilary it is said that he presented to the baptistery at the Lateran turrem argenteam… et columbam auream. In the life of St. Sylvester, Constantine is said to have given to the Vatican Basilica pateram… cum turre et columba. Innocent I gave to another church turrem argenteam cum columba.
July 2, 2010 at 7:55 pm #774121Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd the subsequent transmutation in the form of the dove applied to the ceiling of the baldaquino:
July 3, 2010 at 9:08 pm #774122Praxiteles
ParticipantEarly medieval and Romanesque chalices:
The St Gozlin Chalice from Nancy and that of St Remi from Rheims

The Ardagh chalice:

The Derrynaflan Chalice
July 6, 2010 at 11:36 am #774123Praxiteles
ParticipantThe ambo of late antiquity and of the romanesque period was of course much larger than what presently passes for an ambo and quite distinct from a lectern – which appears to be the progenitor of the present notion of “ambo”.
July 6, 2010 at 8:04 pm #774124Praxiteles
ParticipantOn lecterns:
In a church, the lectern is usually the stand on which the Bible rests and from which the “lessons” (reading from Scripture) are read during the service. The lessons may be read or chanted by a priest, deacon, minister, or layperson, depending upon the liturgical traditions of the community. The lectern is normally set in front of the pew, so that the reader or speaker faces the congregation.
Lecterns are often made of wood. They may be either fixed in place or portable. A lectern differs from a pulpit, the latter being used for sermons. Churches that have both a lectern and a pulpit will often have to them on opposite sides. The lectern will generally be smaller than the pulpit, and both may be adorned with antipendia in the color of the liturgical season.
In monastic churches and cathedrals, a separate lectern is commonly set in the centre of the choir. Originally this would have carried the antiphonal book, for use by the cantor or precentor leading the singing of the divine office. Lecterns are often eagle shaped to symbolise John the Apostle.
July 7, 2010 at 7:23 pm #774125Praxiteles
ParticipantThe modern ambo is supposed to be a revival rather than an invention. But, given the general run of ambones that we have seen on this thread the question arises if they are ambones at all. In most cases they seem to be lecterns or simple reading desks or just stands.
July 7, 2010 at 10:25 pm #774126Praxiteles
ParticipantBourges Cathedral:
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July 7, 2010 at 10:27 pm #774128Praxiteles
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July 7, 2010 at 10:28 pm #774129Praxiteles
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July 7, 2010 at 10:29 pm #774130Praxiteles
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July 7, 2010 at 10:30 pm #774131Praxiteles
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July 7, 2010 at 10:31 pm #774132Praxiteles
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July 13, 2010 at 4:24 pm #774133apelles
ParticipantWow. . Is Richard Hurley really getting into restoration? Did he actually reinstate the marble altar here?. . .Wonders will never cease!
The finished project looks fantastic BTW Richard if your reading. . Excellent work. . .Now lets hope you use the same approach in Carrick on Shannon.
http://www.cbsconservation.co.uk/gallery.html
St. Patrick’s College, Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland.
- Research and design; specification and schedule of work
- Dismantle, rebuild and clean solid stone roofs
- Remove paint and clean internal decorative stone and mortar repair
- External lime render and internal lime plaster to vaulted ceilings
- New stencilled and gilded decorative finishes to walls and ceilings to match existing
- Dismantle, relocate and rebuild marble altar
- Clean oil on canvass wall paintings and applied decoration
- Remove varnish, clean, repair and finish marble and alabaster High Altar, rerodos and sculpture
Total Value:
July 14, 2010 at 1:52 pm #774134Praxiteles
ParticipantThis is the Lady Chapel whose altar was dislocated by the former president Michael Ledwith so that a number of American dononrs could see him as he proceeded to present them with the “medal” of St Patrick.
July 16, 2010 at 7:13 pm #774135Praxiteles
Participant@apelles wrote:
Wow. . Is Richard Hurley really getting into restoration? Did he actually reinstate the marble altar here?. . .Wonders will never cease!
The finished project looks fantastic BTW Richard if your reading. . Excellent work. . .Now lets hope you use the same approach in Carrick on Shannon.
http://www.cbsconservation.co.uk/gallery.html
St. Patrick’s College, Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland.
- Research and design; specification and schedule of work
- Dismantle, rebuild and clean solid stone roofs
- Remove paint and clean internal decorative stone and mortar repair
- External lime render and internal lime plaster to vaulted ceilings
- New stencilled and gilded decorative finishes to walls and ceilings to match existing
- Dismantle, relocate and rebuild marble altar
- Clean oil on canvass wall paintings and applied decoration
- Remove varnish, clean, repair and finish marble and alabaster High Altar, rerodos and sculpture
Total Value:
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